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    TURBO Coupe Vs. Coupe...

    Which one would you guys pick and why? Should there be an 911 Turbo Cab.? These questions reflect nothing of how I feel about either model.

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    CORRECTION: (Im an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) TURBO Cab. Vs. Coupe

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    I would go for the Cab. You would still have 420Hp to play with, and the solid driving feel you would loose in the Cab, would be compesate by hearing a better engine sound while the sun is shinning directly on your face . I'm a Cab fan, and going with the Cab, it's like having three different cars regarding looks. The Cab with hartop looks much better than the Coupe

    J.Seven

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    no cab!!

    if you want an awesome sports car, the turbo coupé is one of the best you can get.

    the cab is pointless IMO. for posing, the 360 spider is much better. and as a daily driver with the ability to chop off the roof, the SL 55 would be my choice.


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    Courious why you think 360 spiders are for "posing".

    Roy

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    Courious why you think 360 spiders are for "posing".



    i did not mean that they are for posing only, but if you like posing the spider is a better choice than the turbo cab IMO.

    i do not think that the target audience for the 911 or the 360 are designated race drivers only. a lot of people primary enjoy the posing effect of their cars. so if this is your intention, i'd recommend the 360 spider over a turbo cab anytime.

    btw-- for what is keeping the engine under a glass lid good for if not posing? vehicle dynamics?

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    Courious why you think 360 spiders are for "posing".

    Roy



    He said that the 360 Spider is "much better" for posing, not that it is for posing.

    I'd make my choice between the 996 Turbo and 996 Turbo Cab depending on where I live. If I'd live in a region with bad weather, I'd go for the Coupe and not the Cab.
    Also people who do a lot of track racing or for whom performance is the most important thing, the Coupe is the first choice.

    If I had the choice, I'd put my money in the powerkit and X73 instead and forget about the 996 Turbo Cab.

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    Are claiming that Cabs do not belong on a track? Is the CGT for poser's?

    Do I need to remind you that the top of the line racing is F1 all without tops?

    A coupe is good for NASCAR events and video games. You can get just as much excitement on video with an excellent sound system.

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    Are claiming that Cabs do not belong on a track? Is the CGT for poser's?

    Do I need to remind you that the top of the line racing is F1 all without tops?

    A coupe is good for NASCAR events and video games. You can get just as much excitement on video with an excellent sound system.



    Yes, Cabs don't belong on the track (unless you want to earn some good laughs).
    The CGT is no Cab, the F1 cars are no Cabs, I'm not sure if you know what you're comparing. Oh yes, Apples and Oranges or better said: Kiwis and Carrots.

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    Very interesting arguments. in my personal opinion the TTcab and the 360 cab. are on the same level. You just really don't get the same expreience you do in a coupe in a cab., or vice versa. I don't think you can really go wrong either way.

    I really wish Porsche would come out w/ a folding hardtop!

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    I believe you understand my point.

    Also it is not comparing apples to oranges. A topless car can be modified to the sames extent as a coupe and perform as good if not better.

    The CGT is a convertible with a removeable hardtop!

    If f1 cars can go faster with a top why do they go topless?



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    The construction principle of the Carrera GT as well as F1 and open top Le Mans cars is completely different to that of a normal cabriolet with a steel monoqoque.
    In a cabriolet car with a steel monoqoque you have to strengthen the bottom plate of the car in order to achieve an acceptable torsional strength.
    This procedure normally increases the weight of the car of about 50kg,this doesn't however mean that the cars torsional strength is the same as the coupe.
    I am sure you know that the best concept for a race car is:
    Low weight.
    Highest possible torsional strength.
    Lowest possible center of gravity.
    Low unsprung mass.

    And of course many other aspects,

    The main chassis structure in the Carrera GT,Le Mans and F1 cars are made from carbon-fibre composites with a honeycomb core.The technologies involved is state of the art in Formula One and offer exceptional flexural and torsional strength.
    The resulting chassis is extremely light,yet considerably stronger than the pressed metal shell on a conventional car.
    The difference in torsional strength with an open or closed carbon-fibre composite monoqoque is minor.


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    Humm, You have a good point, I love cabs myself (Well, I have one;)) but there is something of a problem about the fact of enjoying the noise of the Turbo top down. It doesn't make any!!!
    I've heard many turbos and so have you I suppose and with the original exhaust, you have to admit, it really sounds like s...
    Which is a shame.
    I agree with RC.
    Top down driving is all about versatility, you can enjoy cruising and fast driving but not too fast. You'd take a coupe for that (with sunroof, not exactly cab but better than nothing)
    So here's what I would do.
    C4S cab w/ sport exhaust (I'seen both and the C4S looks better, less fussy in the details) or Turbo coupe w/ X73 and X50.
    Fanch.

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    Thanks for clearing that up, I did not understand your point.

    It is a lovely engine to look at isn't it:)

    Roy

    Carrera GT torsional stiffness

    While at the Geneva intro for the CGT, I asked Roland Kussmaul what was the torsional resonant frequency for the car. He responded that he did not know the exact number but the torsional stiffness of the CGT chassis was on the order of 1.5 to double (I forget the exact number he quoted) the GT2 -- a closed coupe!

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    yes mike, and can you believe there are actually people who claim there will be cars comparable to the cgt for a heck of a lot less by 2005 to 2006? those who do make such ludicrous claims just don't understand the serious dollars, time, and r&d it takes for the processes and materials used on the cgt and the incomparable results therefrom.

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    I just hope the CGT's design cues trickle down to all future Porsche models!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    Ben, technology in 2006 will have made a great advance. Keep in mind the CGT technology was development in 1999 and 2000. No doubt in some ways it is the best being offered in todays car market. However whether that will be the case in 2006 is very problematic.

    You are getting your CGT at the right time. Pit those that are paying $440,000 to get their cars in 2006.

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    I believe you understand my point.

    Also it is not comparing apples to oranges. A topless car can be modified to the sames extent as a coupe and perform as good if not better.

    The CGT is a convertible with a removeable hardtop!

    If f1 cars can go faster with a top why do they go topless?






    The CGT is NOT a convertible.
    You can modify a 996 C2 Cab to perform like a 996 C2 on the track? Are you serious? How much money would you put in such a project? C'mon, you can't be serious. I remember the time when Porsche had trouble with the M030 suspension on the 996 Cab because of rigidity. Now imagine putting a coilover kit with extreme lowering on the Cab, you'll destroy the body in no time if you seriously track race it.
    Ever saw a GT3 Cup car after a few races? You'd be surprised. You NEVER can do that with a Cab, unless you make various reenforcements which again adds weight.

    We have so many racing classes worldwide and I wonder where you ever saw a Cab racing???

    I really don't get your point because the CGT is NO Cab, it is a professional race car made of composite material (monocoque) and has nothing to do with a Cab.

    F1 cars don't have a top because it would add weight!
    Do you know how a F1 car is built and what kind of materials are used? They are NOT Cabs. Oh boy.

    oh dear,

    Are you joking Nick? I hope you didn't buy the yellow Ferrari spider because you thought it had the same chassis design as the F50 and F1?

    Monocoque and convertible aren't the same, they are both very different chassis design that focus on body stiffness and to decrease weight. Covertible focus on "top down" for people who love to stick their face out the car.

    Convertible is a good idea on SLK, Z4 and boxster... but I personally not a big fan of 996 Turbo cab. I wonder why people actually buy it? Because it has a turbo badge on it?

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    Off the top of my head, the only case I can think of where the covertible is of similar tortional rigidity to the coupe version (that came out first) is the Pagani Zonda. This case has more to do with how the monocoque was constructed. Other cases are the Koenigsegg CC and the Lotus Elise. Here, the roofs are not structural. When the Boxster Coupe comes out, it should be more rigid as well.

     
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