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    The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    Looks like the new TT Smokes the Z06(Car and Driver) from 0-100 which is the only test I am concerned with. Its a half a second faster 0-100. In the quarter there even at 11.7, but the Z06 needs to reach 120 MPH to catch up. The TT is also faster 0-60. Anything over 120 isn't realistic and doesn't meant [censored] to me. So I am very pleased with the Numbers and we finally see real #'s. and the 30-50 and 50-70 times are embarrassing for the Z06, the TT walks on it.

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    seriously dude, do you even own either?

    if you do, dont rely on this fact and embaress yourself on the streets thinking, TT would have anything on the Z06 on a roll or for that matter even from the start...

    Anyhow I would prefer having both in my garage..in which i would know which is king..

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    I agree with twinturbo guy. The great news is that all the red neck Z06 lovers can now shut up. I drove the ZO6 and couldn't wait to get back in my 996TT. I can only imagin how much the 997 spanks that pile.

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

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    crazi4speed said:
    seriously dude, do you even own either?

    if you do, dont rely on this fact and embaress yourself on the streets thinking, TT would have anything on the Z06 on a roll or for that matter even from the start...

    Anyhow I would prefer having both in my garage..in which i would know which is king..



    Mine's better than yours, ha, ha...give me a f%&&%#$* break.

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

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    X-TURBO said:
    I agree with twinturbo guy. The great news is that all the red neck Z06 lovers can now shut up. I drove the ZO6 and couldn't wait to get back in my 996TT. I can only imagin how much the 997 spanks that pile.



    Just curious, how did the Z06 drive? What year was it?

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    Quote:
    crazi4speed said:
    seriously dude, do you even own either?

    if you do, dont rely on this fact and embaress yourself on the streets thinking, TT would have anything on the Z06 on a roll or for that matter even from the start...

    Anyhow I would prefer having both in my garage..in which i would know which is king..


    Seriously the TT would beat the Z in a street match. I am Against street racing as far to many innocent people Die from it. Think about it how can a 2 wheel drive Z beat a 4 wheel drive TT Off the line as I said the TT is the clear winner to 100+MPH and the Mags are now proving it. I have driven the Z06 and the 997 TT and I am on the list for a Z. I should place my order on the TT in September as my dealer is sold out for 2 years. What do you own??? My guess is your a Corvette guy over here on the Porsche forum telling everyone how Great the Z is. If you read the C&D article you can see that they Hated the cheap Z interior and said its harder to drive than the TT. They said the TT is "The Supreme Supercar when conditions underfoot get Tricky". Keep in mind that a Orangutang can run 11's in a TIP SCP TT while only a few can run 11's in a Z06. Don't be confused by B.S. Videos on the net of the Z06 beating every other car, most of the time the Z has been Modded to win. I think the Z is a peformance bargain but it will never be a "Exotic car"and it will never have the Quality,Technology and Fit and Finish of a Porsche.

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    Zo6 feels faster at low rpm. Those 325 tires offer tremendous grip out of corners. Turbo is faster at high gears above 3K rpm, and power comes in a surge. As the numbers show, they are quite comparable. I have no doubt that in the hands of an average driver, the turbo would be faster over a course or even over canyon roads. Professional drivers on a race course would probably post very similar times. You are not paying the extra money for a much faster car in the turbo; you are paying for the much nicer interior, extremely sophisticated AWD which allows you to exploit its speed under any road conditions, and awesome ceramic brakes which stops the car better than anything I have ever driven.

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    Quote:
    twinturbo001 said:
    Quote:
    crazi4speed said:
    seriously dude, do you even own either?

    if you do, dont rely on this fact and embaress yourself on the streets thinking, TT would have anything on the Z06 on a roll or for that matter even from the start...

    Anyhow I would prefer having both in my garage..in which i would know which is king..


    Seriously the TT would beat the Z in a street match. I am Against street racing as far to many innocent people Die from it. Think about it how can a 2 wheel drive Z beat a 4 wheel drive TT Off the line as I said the TT is the clear winner to 100+MPH and the Mags are now proving it. I have driven the Z06 and the 997 TT and I am on the list for a Z. I should place my order on the TT in September as my dealer is sold out for 2 years. What do you own??? My guess is your a Corvette guy over here on the Porsche forum telling everyone how Great the Z is. If you read the C&D article you can see that they Hated the cheap Z interior and said its harder to drive than the TT. They said the TT is "The Supreme Supercar when conditions underfoot get Tricky". Keep in mind that a Orangutang can run 11's in a TIP SCP TT while only a few can run 11's in a Z06. Don't be confused by B.S. Videos on the net of the Z06 beating every other car, most of the time the Z has been Modded to win. I think the Z is a peformance bargain but it will never be a "Exotic car"and it will never have the Quality,Technology and Fit and Finish of a Porsche.



    I don't disagree with most of your comments and quite honestly a comparison between the Z and the TT is not exactly correct. The Z is purpose built and the track times prove it.

    Congrat's on ordering your Z. Do you intend on tracking it?

    Hope you get a 997TT soon. That is the combo I would love to have in my garage!

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    Are you guys for real? If you know anything about cars, you'll realize that these two cars are so close in performance that a race would be driver dependent. On any given day, either could come out the victor. I say kudos to GM for making a car with incredible performance at a price that nobody else can match. The Z06 may not be your cup of tea, but to deny that it is an incredible performer at a reasonable price is just ignorance.

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    I drove 2006 Z and thought it had a ton of power. Exhuast sounded great when it opened up. After I got over the launch potential I couldn't help to think that it is still a cheaply made pile. Everyone says a lot of bang for the buck. I think it's over priced. Especially if you pay 5 to 10k above MSRP. It's too expensive for a track only ride and it sucks on the streets unless you want to end up in jail for the night. The TT is a lot more money but you can drive it in the rain, snow, to dinner, to the track and to work and love every minute of it. I was glad to climb out of the vette's plastic plain inerior.

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    I just took my Z06 to the track for the first time last night. This was my first trip ever to the drag strip. I'm a decent driver, but not the best. First run in 100 degree heat and hi humidity with the traction control on was 11.9@122. All of the regulars there said their cars were running about 7-9 tenths slow and 6-7 mph slow. My car felt a good bit slower. For comparison the two newer trans ams couldn't break 100. The 350Zs were running 85-90mph. I thought my car did pretty well considering the heat.All wheel drive would have been nice though.

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

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    X-TURBO said:
    I drove 2006 Z and thought it had a ton of power. Exhuast sounded great when it opened up. After I got over the launch potential I couldn't help to think that it is still a cheaply made pile. Everyone says a lot of bang for the buck. I think it's over priced. Especially if you pay 5 to 10k above MSRP. It's too expensive for a track only ride and it sucks on the streets unless you want to end up in jail for the night. The TT is a lot more money but you can drive it in the rain, snow, to dinner, to the track and to work and love every minute of it. I was glad to climb out of the vette's plastic plain inerior.



    I love Porsches, but above all else I am a car guy period. Before I mod'd my Z to be a track monster, it was the most docile machine on the street. Your comments are completely off. I've listened to more garbage about the plastic plain interior than I care to hear again. For a measley 2k you can change it all and still have the fastest track car out there for less than 200k. If you are really looking for a track car, you won't be driving it in the snow, rain or other adverse weather conditions.

    Track cars perform on the track period. They are not built to drive through mud pits or water holes. My 996TT was crap to drive in the rain. Yes, maybe slightly better than my Z, but hardly competent. Most people buy cars like the 430, the TT, Lambo's, etc. as secondary drivers.

    The 997TT will take you to the country club, dinner, and yes the track all with equal competence. If we are talking strictly track, would you take your GT3/430/TT to dinner in the rain? Hell no. You would take your daily driver.

    What does 'it sucks on the streets unless you want to end up in jail for the night' mean? I don't even need to comment on the ignorance of the statement.

    I have driven Ferrari's (not the 430), Porsches and every American make you can imagine. When people speak of 'if you think it's only about speed you don't understand', I do.

    I chose to trade my 996TT for a Z and I am pleased. I love how it appeases the desire for raw horsepower and has the love for the track that I desired. Another Porsche is in my sights (a 997 GT3 undoubtedly), but let's not be comprimised in our appreciation for how one can make power translate to performance on the track. Recognize how each manufacturer can offer a different experience and still be satisfying.

    I love the affordable competition the Z has provided. Don't think for one minute that every other manufacturer hasn't noticed. Who wins? The consumer. And that my friend is me!

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    Quote:
    twinturbo001 said:
    Looks like the new TT Smokes the Z06(Car and Driver) from 0-100 which is the only test I am concerned with. Its a half a second faster 0-100. In the quarter there even at 11.7, but the Z06 needs to reach 120 MPH to catch up. The TT is also faster 0-60. Anything over 120 isn't realistic and doesn't meant [censored] to me. So I am very pleased with the Numbers and we finally see real #'s. and the 30-50 and 50-70 times are embarrassing for the Z06, the TT walks on it.




    Hello,

    I don't want to add any comment about TT vs Z06 discussion but just add one precision about what you wrote :
    30-50 mph and 50-70 mph top-gear acceleration is not
    a fair test for Z06 : just read the spec datasheet.
    Final gear in z06 is rated at 44.9 pmh for 1000 rpm !
    this is the famous "gas guzzler" gear...
    in the TT it is 28 mph at 1000rpm in 6th gear.

    So we have :

    30-50 mph
    Z06 comes from 668 rpm (!!) to 1100 rpm
    TT comes from 1070 rpm to 2200 rpm

    50-70 mph
    Z06 comes from 1100 rpm up to 1560 rpm
    TT comes from 2200 rpm up to 3070 rpm (right in TT best torque zone).

    This explains the massive time difference between two cars.

    Same test in 2nd or 3rd gear would have been much more interesting. So please be fair in you comments.

    Regards.

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    Quote:
    X-TURBO said:
    I drove 2006 Z and thought it had a ton of power. Exhuast sounded great when it opened up. After I got over the launch potential I couldn't help to think that it is still a cheaply made pile. Everyone says a lot of bang for the buck. I think it's over priced. Especially if you pay 5 to 10k above MSRP. It's too expensive for a track only ride and it sucks on the streets unless you want to end up in jail for the night. The TT is a lot more money but you can drive it in the rain, snow, to dinner, to the track and to work and love every minute of it. I was glad to climb out of the vette's plastic plain inerior.



    ???
    ...end up in jail for a night?!? Whether you're in a Turbo, SL or Vette, I believe that all depends on you. Wow... either some people do not like fast cars or they work as a local car salesman.

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    As usual this post has gotten Off Base. My Summation stands as fact 0-100 the TT beats the Z from a Launch to a roll the TT is the clear winner. You can talk gearing or whatever B.S. you want but the Facts are the Facts. The other thing to consider is that that the TIP TT is [censored] Proof all you do is put the pedal to the Floor the Computer does the rest better than you ever could, The Z has lots of room for mistakes shift wrong miss a gear ETC. The other thing I am also seeing Z's all the time on the road because Chevy builds to many of them, with a U.S. production of 7,000(2007 EST.) a year everyone will have one unlike the Exclusivity of the TT.

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    ...and a hopped up ricer beats the hell out of the TT on launch/quarter mile.

    Not exactly sure what your point is, especially when in the past the argument has always been that the TT is not a dragster but a great 'ring car. It's funny how one can make arguments for what one wants to perceive as the better car. Porsche has done a great job in marketing because they have half of you guys following like lemmings to a cliff.

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    AWGGGH!

    Why couldn't Ferry Porsche have made his 356 a flat 8?

    Decades of kooky-talk like this could have been avoided!

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    Quote:
    Teva said:
    Quote:
    twinturbo001 said:
    Looks like the new TT Smokes the Z06(Car and Driver) from 0-100 which is the only test I am concerned with. Its a half a second faster 0-100. In the quarter there even at 11.7, but the Z06 needs to reach 120 MPH to catch up. The TT is also faster 0-60. Anything over 120 isn't realistic and doesn't meant [censored] to me. So I am very pleased with the Numbers and we finally see real #'s. and the 30-50 and 50-70 times are embarrassing for the Z06, the TT walks on it.




    Hello,

    I don't want to add any comment about TT vs Z06 discussion but just add one precision about what you wrote :
    30-50 mph and 50-70 mph top-gear acceleration is not
    a fair test for Z06 : just read the spec datasheet.
    Final gear in z06 is rated at 44.9 pmh for 1000 rpm !
    this is the famous "gas guzzler" gear...
    in the TT it is 28 mph at 1000rpm in 6th gear.

    So we have :

    30-50 mph
    Z06 comes from 668 rpm (!!) to 1100 rpm
    TT comes from 1070 rpm to 2200 rpm

    50-70 mph
    Z06 comes from 1100 rpm up to 1560 rpm
    TT comes from 2200 rpm up to 3070 rpm (right in TT best torque zone).

    This explains the massive time difference between two cars.

    Same test in 2nd or 3rd gear would have been much more interesting. So please be fair in you comments.

    Regards.



    Yeah that's the dumbest test of a cars performance and if someone quotes that for their argument they don't know much about cars. I mean who cruises at 30 in 6th gear. Who came up with that test and what the heck is it trying to simulate? And when any car that's an automatic is tested they all look faster than the 5 speeds. Your average minivan with an auto will go faster 30-50 that a TT because it downshifts.

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    Quote:
    355Spider said:
    Quote:
    Teva said:
    Quote:
    twinturbo001 said:
    Looks like the new TT Smokes the Z06(Car and Driver) from 0-100 which is the only test I am concerned with. Its a half a second faster 0-100. In the quarter there even at 11.7, but the Z06 needs to reach 120 MPH to catch up. The TT is also faster 0-60. Anything over 120 isn't realistic and doesn't meant [censored] to me. So I am very pleased with the Numbers and we finally see real #'s. and the 30-50 and 50-70 times are embarrassing for the Z06, the TT walks on it.




    Hello,

    I don't want to add any comment about TT vs Z06 discussion but just add one precision about what you wrote :
    30-50 mph and 50-70 mph top-gear acceleration is not
    a fair test for Z06 : just read the spec datasheet.
    Final gear in z06 is rated at 44.9 pmh for 1000 rpm !
    this is the famous "gas guzzler" gear...
    in the TT it is 28 mph at 1000rpm in 6th gear.

    So we have :

    30-50 mph
    Z06 comes from 668 rpm (!!) to 1100 rpm
    TT comes from 1070 rpm to 2200 rpm

    50-70 mph
    Z06 comes from 1100 rpm up to 1560 rpm
    TT comes from 2200 rpm up to 3070 rpm (right in TT best torque zone).

    This explains the massive time difference between two cars.

    Same test in 2nd or 3rd gear would have been much more interesting. So please be fair in you comments.

    Regards.



    Yeah that's the dumbest test of a cars performance and if someone quotes that for their argument they don't know much about cars. I mean who cruises at 30 in 6th gear. Who came up with that test and what the heck is it trying to simulate? And when any car that's an automatic is tested they all look faster than the 5 speeds. Your average minivan with an auto will go faster 30-50 that a TT because it downshifts.


    Once again you missed my point. I know alot about cars but this is the test I am most interested in(0-100). You may concern your self with the B.S. "Ring"(A place where you will never race or anyone else on this forum for that matter). I am concerned with the 0-100 and this is my post if you "gauge" cars differently then start your own post. But again the TT wins this category.

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    Quote:
    twinturbo001 said:
    Quote:
    355Spider said:
    Quote:
    Teva said:
    Quote:
    twinturbo001 said:
    Looks like the new TT Smokes the Z06(Car and Driver) from 0-100 which is the only test I am concerned with. Its a half a second faster 0-100. In the quarter there even at 11.7, but the Z06 needs to reach 120 MPH to catch up. The TT is also faster 0-60. Anything over 120 isn't realistic and doesn't meant [censored] to me. So I am very pleased with the Numbers and we finally see real #'s. and the 30-50 and 50-70 times are embarrassing for the Z06, the TT walks on it.




    Hello,

    I don't want to add any comment about TT vs Z06 discussion but just add one precision about what you wrote :
    30-50 mph and 50-70 mph top-gear acceleration is not
    a fair test for Z06 : just read the spec datasheet.
    Final gear in z06 is rated at 44.9 pmh for 1000 rpm !
    this is the famous "gas guzzler" gear...
    in the TT it is 28 mph at 1000rpm in 6th gear.

    So we have :

    30-50 mph
    Z06 comes from 668 rpm (!!) to 1100 rpm
    TT comes from 1070 rpm to 2200 rpm

    50-70 mph
    Z06 comes from 1100 rpm up to 1560 rpm
    TT comes from 2200 rpm up to 3070 rpm (right in TT best torque zone).

    This explains the massive time difference between two cars.

    Same test in 2nd or 3rd gear would have been much more interesting. So please be fair in you comments.

    Regards.



    Yeah that's the dumbest test of a cars performance and if someone quotes that for their argument they don't know much about cars. I mean who cruises at 30 in 6th gear. Who came up with that test and what the heck is it trying to simulate? And when any car that's an automatic is tested they all look faster than the 5 speeds. Your average minivan with an auto will go faster 30-50 that a TT because it downshifts.


    Once again you missed my point. I know alot about cars but this is the test I am most interested in(0-100). You may concern your self with the B.S. "Ring"(A place where you will never race or anyone else on this forum for that matter). I am concerned with the 0-100 and this is my post if you "gauge" cars differently then start your own post. But again the TT wins this category.



    And according to R&T, the Z06 beats the TT 0-100 by 0.6 seconds. So as I already said, on any given day, either car could come out the victor. If you're going to go around telling everyone you have the faster car based on one car magazine test, then with all due respect, you're a fool.

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    Quote:
    PbPedis said:
    Quote:
    twinturbo001 said:
    Quote:
    355Spider said:
    Quote:
    Teva said:
    Quote:
    twinturbo001 said:
    Looks like the new TT Smokes the Z06(Car and Driver) from 0-100 which is the only test I am concerned with. Its a half a second faster 0-100. In the quarter there even at 11.7, but the Z06 needs to reach 120 MPH to catch up. The TT is also faster 0-60. Anything over 120 isn't realistic and doesn't meant [censored] to me. So I am very pleased with the Numbers and we finally see real #'s. and the 30-50 and 50-70 times are embarrassing for the Z06, the TT walks on it.




    Hello,

    I don't want to add any comment about TT vs Z06 discussion but just add one precision about what you wrote :
    30-50 mph and 50-70 mph top-gear acceleration is not
    a fair test for Z06 : just read the spec datasheet.
    Final gear in z06 is rated at 44.9 pmh for 1000 rpm !
    this is the famous "gas guzzler" gear...
    in the TT it is 28 mph at 1000rpm in 6th gear.

    So we have :

    30-50 mph
    Z06 comes from 668 rpm (!!) to 1100 rpm
    TT comes from 1070 rpm to 2200 rpm

    50-70 mph
    Z06 comes from 1100 rpm up to 1560 rpm
    TT comes from 2200 rpm up to 3070 rpm (right in TT best torque zone).

    This explains the massive time difference between two cars.

    Same test in 2nd or 3rd gear would have been much more interesting. So please be fair in you comments.

    Regards.



    Yeah that's the dumbest test of a cars performance and if someone quotes that for their argument they don't know much about cars. I mean who cruises at 30 in 6th gear. Who came up with that test and what the heck is it trying to simulate? And when any car that's an automatic is tested they all look faster than the 5 speeds. Your average minivan with an auto will go faster 30-50 that a TT because it downshifts.


    Once again you missed my point. I know alot about cars but this is the test I am most interested in(0-100). You may concern your self with the B.S. "Ring"(A place where you will never race or anyone else on this forum for that matter). I am concerned with the 0-100 and this is my post if you "gauge" cars differently then start your own post. But again the TT wins this category.



    And according to R&T, the Z06 beats the TT 0-100 by 0.6 seconds. So as I already said, on any given day, either car could come out the victor. If you're going to go around telling everyone you have the faster car based on one car magazine test, then with all due respect, you're a fool.



    Yeah it just depends on who did the test and what the surface was like. I'm sure if you raced them, half the time the Z would win and half the time the TT would win. That's why some mags are getting faster times for the Z and others are getting faster times for the TT. 0-100 these days is still a fairly small measurement. It doesn't really show a cars true accelerative capabilities. 0-125 is a little better and 0-150 is even better. Gives you more of an idea of how it feels when the car accelerates.

    When I went to the track friday night in my Z I raced a 70s stang with 15 inch slicks. He ran a 10.3@122. I ran an 11.9@122. He smoked me in the first 300ft but after that the cars accelerated exactly the same. Our times were equal after 300ft. So which car is faster? Just depends on what speed you run from.

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    You may concern your self with the B.S. "Ring"(A place where you will never race or anyone else on this forum for that matter).



    This forum does have participants, like me, who live in Europe and race at the Ring and drive at 300 kph+ on unrestricted autobahns. North American draconian-speed-limit-reality is irrelevant in Germany, the land of the free.

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    Quote:
    twinturbo001 said:
    "Ring"(A place where you will never race or anyone else on this forum for that matter).



    Are you sure about that?...

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    Hmmm last I checked I just completed another lap at the 'Ring last weekend in my P-car...being that it's only 40 mins from my house that is. But hey it's "RING" B.S. right?

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    How many Z06 owners have run there cars at the the "Ring"? The Z06 guys always bring up the "Ring" yet I have never seen one say they have run there Z06 at the "Ring". I Personally Don't care about the "Ring" and never will. Going in a straight line is what interests me. I unlike so many Forum members here Don't "Whine" about what porsche should have done I am very happy with the new 997 TT and the sooner mine is delivered the better. Sometimes I think half the members on here have never owned a Porsche.

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    What? So you pick the only measurement that the TT beats the Z06 and throw out the others? I'm sure if the TT was faster to 0-60, then all of a sudden that measurement would be relevant, right?

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    Quote:
    twinturbo001 said:
    How many Z06 owners have run there cars at the the "Ring"? The Z06 guys always bring up the "Ring" yet I have never seen one say they have run there Z06 at the "Ring". I Personally Don't care about the "Ring" and never will. Going in a straight line is what interests me. I unlike so many Forum members here Don't "Whine" about what porsche should have done I am very happy with the new 997 TT and the sooner mine is delivered the better. Sometimes I think half the members on here have never owned a Porsche.



    Well that's great for you. In an effort to talk about cars and their strengths and weaknesses, thrills and bores, etc. car folk often resort to objective data. The time it takes to lap the Nurburgring is like a gold standard because it represents close to real world driving, with the exception that it is a controlled environment. It takes all the other bits of data (like acceleration data, braking data, skidpad data etc.) and translates 'em into a real world performance type of number.

    Granted, the numbers qoted are with experts at the wheel, but how else can you determine the limits of the vehicle?

    You for instance are interested in straight line performance. So you don't enjoy exploiting all the capabilities of your car. Does that mean that you or others should be interested in them? Ie. Just because not everyone takes their car to the 'Ring, should they not be interested in how their car performs there?

    Those laptimes are flawed, as is every objective measure of a car's performance, but they help us to communicate with eachother, and as such, they still mean a great deal.

    I think all this controversy is great, as long as people remain respectful, while still trying to call a spade a spade. I think it's great that Chevy can make a car that performs better than the flagship 911 for almost half the price.

    Would I like to see Walter Rohl do a few hotlaps in an F430, a 997TT, a Gallardo, and a Z06? Sure i would. Will that affect how I enjoy my own car? Probably not (but maybe . . . )

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    Quote:
    twinturbo001 said:
    Going in a straight line is what interests me.




    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    Quote:
    SoCalHoosier said:
    Quote:
    X-TURBO said:
    I Wow... either some people do not like fast cars or they work as a local car salesman.



    My point on the street driving is that if you don't use the Vette on the track then you are going to need to do felony speeds on the streets (in the states) in order to get your money's worth out of the car.
    And by the way...
    What's wrong with selling cars? Not good enough for you?

    Re: The TT "SMOKES" the Z06

    Smokes it?.... ehhhhh, I'm going to go on the side of reality and say that they are rather close to one another. The Z06 has more hp, but obviously is a RWD vehicle- so it may have some issues putting the power to the pavement. I dunno... show me this article and we can talk. Isn't there an internet sports car comparison thing which has the test results of every sports car and you can simply link them all up against one another and independently tell which is better via the times?

     
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