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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Pentium:

     

    It looks "old"... not fresh...

     It looks 'mature'....... probably too mature. Look at the door panels ..... they' ll fit better in a S5 .

    But we will see..... I probably will move to the GT3 


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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

     KresoF1, if there anuthing left we dont know after such articles?

    Only details possibly?

    BTW - any info on upcoming 991 turbo?


    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Pentium:

    There is something about this interior that I simply don't like... It's too "busy"... too many buttons and shapes in a small area... I will decide at Frankfurt...

    It looks "old"... not fresh...

    It's the new Porsche style, followed from Panamera and new Cayenne. No surprises IMO.

    Anyway it's better to fill the console with buttons, rather than the steering wheel like some manufacturers do.


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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    I agree. The 458 steering wheel is one thing I hate about that car. Same with Porsche's stupid "wart".


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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    artur777:

     KresoF1, if there anuthing left we dont know after such articles?

    Only details possibly?

    BTW - any info on upcoming 991 turbo?


    991 Carrera and Carrera S...

    German price for Carrera S with nice new options(SPASM, PTV, PCCB, new Sport seats-look at right seat on spy interior pic) will be around 125K € with Mwst. Awsome value for money if you ask me since 991 Carrera S with right options will be as fast or faster on the track(Ring, Klein Kurs Hockenheim) with normal 20" tires as SLS AMG Coupe. Or marginally slower then current king 458 Italia.

    BUT... As mentioned in the article new 991 feels rock solid on the road and on the track according to my P source. Car is much less nervous then any version of 997. High speed stability is much, much better then on 997.2 models. Some people will miss that nervous feel of 997 models.

    Personally I do not care about that. I already decided that I need 991 Carrera S with sporty option in my life. Excellent boxer NA engine mated with now SOTA chassis for rear engine sportscar and some new gimmicks(but, they work!)=best value drivers sportscar on the market(well, in few months).Smiley

     

    991 Turbo? Expect small power bump and some new options plus some new turbo magic in two years time...


    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

     If you look, the center console on the 991 is MUCH slimmer than the Panamera's and has FAR fewer buttons. Also if you look, the door handles are the exact same ones used on the Panamera and Cayenne. I think the interior looks gorgeous, except for the door panel that bulges out at the bottom.

    Anyone else see the 928 resemblance? They look VERY similar. Look above the passenger's side trim piece, and see how it slopes steeply inwards, just like the 928's glovebox.


    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

     Time added to Wikipedia. ;)

    Non-series/road-legal vehicles


    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    KresoF1:
    artur777:

     KresoF1, if there anuthing left we dont know after such articles?

    Only details possibly?

    BTW - any info on upcoming 991 turbo?


    991 Carrera and Carrera S...

    German price for Carrera S with nice new options(SPASM, PTV, PCCB, new Sport seats-look at right seat on spy interior pic) will be around 125K € with Mwst. Awsome value for money if you ask me since 991 Carrera S with right options will be as fast or faster on the track(Ring, Klein Kurs Hockenheim) with normal 20" tires as SLS AMG Coupe. Or marginally slower then current king 458 Italia.

    BUT... As mentioned in the article new 991 feels rock solid on the road and on the track according to my P source. Car is much less nervous then any version of 997. High speed stability is much, much better then on 997.2 models. Some people will miss that nervous feel of 997 models.

    Personally I do not care about that. I already decided that I need 991 Carrera S with sporty option in my life. Excellent boxer NA engine mated with now SOTA chassis for rear engine sportscar and some new gimmicks(but, they work!)=best value drivers sportscar on the market(well, in few months).Smiley

     

    991 Turbo? Expect small power bump and some new options plus some new turbo magic in two years time...


    Very positive and valuable info. Only wait after that Hope it will hit dealers in 2012

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

     thanks for posting carrera!

    thank you!

     


    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    KresoF1:

    German price for Carrera S with nice new options(SPASM, PTV, PCCB, new Sport seats-look at right seat on spy interior pic) will be around 125K € with Mwst. 

     

    991 Turbo? Expect small power bump and some new options plus some new turbo magic in two years time...

     

    what's SPASM and PTV?  thank you.


    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

     and what's "turbo magic"?  that's what i want to know.  


    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Well, the 7:37 is probably with racing tyres which are not really intended for the car..interesting is the normal time of the S - 7:50...Sport Auto did that already with the current 997S PDK..however with tyres not available for the 997S if my memory is correct.

    My feeling: the 991 is of course better - but the difference is (much) smaller than expected- why?

    1) the 997S (2005) did the Ring also in 8:04..same power..but the 991 cant do that better??

    2) I somehow cant believe that the 991 S would do it with "customer available options" in 7:37..that would be faster than the 458...!! Yes, that they have done a 7:37 with Cup tyres, and no intereriors with Walter Rörhl at the wheel doesnt susprise me..

    My argument no1 is for me a real blow to the 991..yes its better...but if it cant be faster then the first 997S..(?)...proves what I alway said..the air is thin below the 8:00..and every second to get is very difficult...


    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    So you guys think that:

    1 - Longer wheelbase

    2 - 20" rims

    3 - electric steering

    4 - e-brake

    5 - Panamera interior

    6 - Humongous sunroof

    ... are OK in a sports car?


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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

     

    1 - Longer wheelbase - maybe

    2 - 20" rims - no...is proven to be worse

    3 - electric steering - bullshiut.- this in a Porsche..shame !

    4 - e-brake : shame!

    5 - Panamera interior - even bigger shame!

    6 - Humongous sunroof - dont know what this is but I dont want sunroof anyway :)


    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    ADias:

    So you guys think that:

    1 - Longer wheelbase

    2 - 20" rims

    3 - electric steering

    4 - e-brake

    5 - Panamera interior

    6 - Humongous sunroof

    ... are OK in a sports car?

    It's not OK but Porsche has "educated" us (via rumors, insider info, etc) long enough and these are actually expected.  No doubt 991, except GT-series, is moving the 911 brand closer to GT than a sports car.  For some, 911 has become a luxury sports car.  Luxury first and sports among other luxury cars. 
     

    On a different note, I hope that the 981 Cayman can stay simple and more sports than luxury car; more a spiritual successor of the air-cooled 911. 


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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    6 - Humongous sunroof - dont know what this is but I dont want sunroof anyway :)


    I generally hate sunroofs, but it seems as though this new (whole roof) sunroof won't detract from the available headroom like the current one and might actually provide some open-air feeling (current one is like a mail slot).


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

     When the 997 came out we were talking about the variable steering and the 19" wheels and how bad it would be compared to the 996's steering and wheel setup, and look at us now. I for one will give Porsche the benefit of the doubt until I can actually test the car, they have never dissapointed before in over 40 yrs with its evolutions so why are we so quick to judge without even seeing the car? Lets wait until we get behind the wheel and see how it behaves, but when have we seen Porsche screw that up? I for one will take everything, the good and the bad with a grain of salt until I can jump in one. Everything except one thing, e-brake? really? what where they thinking when they made that choice, that one is going to come back to haunt them IMO Smiley

    but the 991 is lighter, has improved engine, improved chasis, much improved handling, improved stability at high speeds, improved stability under braking, updated interior and more ergonomic for driving (everythign is close to the hands on the wheel), better and updated looking, torque vectoring, updated PASM, more sport-oriented extras for the Carrera, and I could go on... the 991 seems like a big jump in the evolutionary scale, much more than my 997 over my ex-996. I can't even imagine how the 991GT3 is going to be like.


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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    ^^ Exactly! Awesome post, sir!

    And let's not forget, guys: since the day the first 911 was introduced, it was intended as a GT car. Many seem to forget that. Porsche is always constantly updating the car with new things that are expected from a GT these days. It is still a sports car though. 400hp, a loud engine whale, and a Nordschleife time of 7:37? Sounds sporty to me. 

    I don't think Porsche should change the 991, but I do think they need another variant: The Carrera R.

    No aircon/radio, door pulls, plastic windows, aluminum doors, alcantara interior, and a bunch of other things that take away the luxury and add the sport, such as a stiffer suspension. And most importantly, give it the 350hp 3.4l Boxer engine and price it a couple grand higher than the Carrera... Hmmmmm. Kind of reminds me of the Boxster Spyder and Cayman R... That's what we need! A basic no frills 911 that has the engine and bodywork of the base model (maybe slightly altered), and a GT3 chassis. Who's with me?


    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Works fro me Carrara.SmileySmileySmiley

    I just drove a Cayman R  with PDK on the track and it was great...


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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Carrara:

    I don't think Porsche should change the 991, but I do think they need another variant: The Carrera R.

    No aircon/radio, door pulls, plastic windows, aluminum doors, alcantara interior, and a bunch of other things that take away the luxury and add the sport, such as a stiffer suspension. And most importantly, give it the 350hp 3.4l Boxer engine and price it a couple grand higher than the Carrera... Hmmmmm. Kind of reminds me of the Boxster Spyder and Cayman R... That's what we need! A basic no frills 911 that has the engine and bodywork of the base model (maybe slightly altered), and a GT3 chassis. Who's with me?

    I'm with you, but why advertise up front that you're willing to pay more for less content?


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    if you look at the two front seats they are do not match, i wonder if this could be photo shopped


    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Carlos from Spain:

     When the 997 came out we were talking about the variable steering and the 19" wheels and how bad it would be compared to the 996's steering and wheel setup, and look at us now. I for one will give Porsche the benefit of the doubt until I can actually test the car, they have never dissapointed before in over 40 yrs with its evolutions so why are we so quick to judge without even seeing the car? Lets wait until we get behind the wheel and see how it behaves, but when have we seen Porsche screw that up? I for one will take everything, the good and the bad with a grain of salt until I can jump in one. Everything except one thing, e-brake? really? what where they thinking when they made that choice, that one is going to come back to haunt them IMO Smiley

     

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     Agreed, Porsche has a track-record of well developed innovations which make driving even a bigger pleasure. The only recent case in which they screwed it is the AWD system/suspension setup of the 997 turbo. But apart from this no complains from my side Smiley


    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Carlos from Spain:
    But the 991 is lighter, has improved engine, improved chasis, much improved handling, improved stability at high speeds, improved stability under braking, updated interior and more ergonomic for driving (everythign is close to the hands on the wheel), better and updated looking, torque vectoring, updated PASM, more sport-oriented extras for the Carrera, and I could go on... the 991 seems like a big jump in the evolutionary scale, much more than my 997 over my ex-996. I can't even imagine how the 991GT3 is going to be like.


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    + new generation of tires...


    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Carlos from Spain:

     Everything except one thing, e-brake? really? what where they thinking when they made that choice, that one is going to come back to haunt them IMO Smiley

    Why you say this Smiley

     


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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    MKSGR:
    Carlos from Spain:
    But the 991 is lighter, has improved engine, improved chasis, much improved handling, improved stability at high speeds, improved stability under braking, updated interior and more ergonomic for driving (everythign is close to the hands on the wheel), better and updated looking, torque vectoring, updated PASM, more sport-oriented extras for the Carrera, and I could go on... the 991 seems like a big jump in the evolutionary scale, much more than my 997 over my ex-996. I can't even imagine how the 991GT3 is going to be like.


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    + new generation of tires...


    Good point, there is the part about the Mich PSS tires of the 991 too
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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    reginos:
    Carlos from Spain:

     Everything except one thing, e-brake? really? what where they thinking when they made that choice, that one is going to come back to haunt them IMO Smiley

    Why you say this Smiley

     


    I imagine they had to make that compromise in favor of interior design, but they are going to pay for in the criticism and slams theys ate going to get for it. The "hand" brake is part of a sportcar, even if you never happen to use it on a hairpin to have fun, its like doing away with the analog tach in the center of the instrument panel in favor of a digital readout for example, not a good image. An e-brake screams "sedan" or "SUV" and detracts from itd sportcar image or intentions.
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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    I wonder if the GT3 will have a normal handbrake-after all there are people driving rallyes with them,tthey sure could use it


    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Carlos from Spain:
    reginos:
    Carlos from Spain:

     Everything except one thing, e-brake? really? what where they thinking when they made that choice, that one is going to come back to haunt them IMO Smiley

    Why you say this Smiley

     

     

    I imagine they had to make that compromise in favor of interior design, but they are going to pay for in the criticism and slams theys ate going to get for it. The "hand" brake is part of a sportcar, even if you never happen to use it on a hairpin to have fun, its like doing away with the analog tach in the center of the instrument panel in favor of a digital readout for example, not a good image. An e-brake screams "sedan" or "SUV" and detracts from itd sportcar image or intentions.

    OK I see the point, but these things are changing fast.

    See how many sportscars and supercars have automated transmissions now, once an anathema for sports driving.


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    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Just to add... Electronic hand brake in sportscars...

    Ferrari 458 Italia

    Lamborghini LP700 Aventador

    McLaren MP4-12C

    Mercedes SLS AMG


    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

     http://www.insideline.com/porsche/911/2012/first-ride-2012-porsche-911.html


     
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