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    EVO: LP560 vs GT2 & Scuderia

    (Cut & paste from a friends own forum)

    Gallardo LP560-4
    0-60 - 3.7 sec
    0-100 - 7.8
    0-120 - 10.9
    0-150 - 17.6

    1/4 mile: 11.7 / 124.8 mph

    0-100-0: 12.4 sec.

    West Circuit: 1.22,5 sec


    Porsche GT2
    0-60 - 4.0 sec
    0-100 - 8.3
    0-120 - 11.7
    0-150 - 19.0

    1/4 mile: 12.1 / 122.0 mph

    0-100-0: 13.0 sec

    West Circuit: 1.23,5 sec


    Bonus opponent:

    Ferrari Scuderia
    0-60 - 3.5 sec
    0-100 - 7.7
    0-120 - 10.8
    0-150 - 17.8

    1/4 mile: 11.6 / 125.0

    0-100-0: 12.6 sec

    West Circuit: 1.21.7 sec.

    Re: EVO: LP560 vs GT2 & Scuderia

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    Mongokongo said:
    (Cut & paste from a friends own forum)

    Gallardo LP560-4
    0-60 - 3.7 sec
    0-100 - 7.8
    0-120 - 10.9
    0-150 - 17.6

    1/4 mile: 11.7 / 124.8 mph

    0-100-0: 12.4 sec.

    West Circuit: 1.22,5 sec


    Porsche GT2
    0-60 - 4.0 sec
    0-100 - 8.3
    0-120 - 11.7
    0-150 - 19.0

    1/4 mile: 12.1 / 122.0 mph

    0-100-0: 13.0 sec

    West Circuit: 1.23,5 sec


    Bonus opponent:

    Ferrari Scuderia
    0-60 - 3.5 sec
    0-100 - 7.7
    0-120 - 10.8
    0-150 - 17.8

    1/4 mile: 11.6 / 125.0

    0-100-0: 12.6 sec

    West Circuit: 1.21.7 sec.



    These results seem to be very flawed. They don't match the available magazine tests at all.

    Re: EVO: LP560 vs GT2 & Scuderia


    Re: EVO: LP560 vs GT2 & Scuderia

    EVO always provides the worst acceleration numbers of all. However, in some areas it is consistent with other tests. The 997 GT2 is not able to reach claimed figures. The LP560 does better than claimed and is slightly faster than the GT2.

    Re: EVO: LP560 vs GT2 & Scuderia

    Quote:
    mv said:
    EVO always provides the worst acceleration numbers of all. However, in some areas it is consistent with other tests. The 997 GT2 is not able to reach claimed figures. The LP560 does better than claimed and is slightly faster than the GT2.



    Sorry, these test numbers are totally out of line with all other tests. Just to pick some examples:

    - SportAuto (GT2 faster than Scuderia on HHR and NBR, GT2 faster than LP560-4 on HHR, NBR not tested yet)
    - AutoZeitung (GT2 faster than LP560-4 on test track)
    - Quattroroute-Alain Prost (Scuderia slightly faster than GT2 on their test track, LP560-4 slowest)

    Also, please refer to the video teaser posted on the LP560-4/Scuderia/GT2 test in another thread on Rennteam: the Scuderia is described and shown as slowest, GT2 and LP560-4 deliver nearly identical acceleration times. This is also broadly consistent with the available SportAuto benchmarks of acceleration at high speed (Döttinger Höhe speed for GT2 and Scuderia, 0-300 tests of LP560-4 and GT2).

    Thus, the numbers posted above are totally out of line. All other tests available show a very different picture. The above numbers seem to be heavily flawed for whatever reason

    Re: EVO: LP560 vs GT2 & Scuderia

    For the Quattroroute result I believe the LP560-4 was with the optional Comfort suspension which explains why it was slower.

    Re: EVO: LP560 vs GT2 & Scuderia

    Quote:
    MKSGR said:
    Quote:
    mv said:
    EVO always provides the worst acceleration numbers of all. However, in some areas it is consistent with other tests. The 997 GT2 is not able to reach claimed figures. The LP560 does better than claimed and is slightly faster than the GT2.



    Sorry, these test numbers are totally out of line with all other tests. Just to pick some examples:

    - SportAuto (GT2 faster than Scuderia on HHR and NBR, GT2 faster than LP560-4 on HHR, NBR not tested yet)
    - AutoZeitung (GT2 faster than LP560-4 on test track)
    - Quattroroute-Alain Prost (Scuderia slightly faster than GT2 on their test track, LP560-4 slowest)

    Also, please refer to the video teaser posted on the LP560-4/Scuderia/GT2 test in another thread on Rennteam: the Scuderia is described and shown as slowest, GT2 and LP560-4 deliver nearly identical acceleration times. This is also broadly consistent with the available SportAuto benchmarks of acceleration at high speed (Döttinger Höhe speed for GT2 and Scuderia, 0-300 tests of LP560-4 and GT2).

    Thus, the numbers posted above are totally out of line. All other tests available show a very different picture. The above numbers seem to be heavily flawed for whatever reason



    Just checked the SportAuto 0-300 test again: 0-150 for the GT2 is 2.5s (!) slower in the EVO test compared to the SportAuto result (which was worse than the factory claim already)... This is simply impossible for a Porsche turbo (as the turbo provides for very similar acceleration performance - compared to the na engines of Scuderia and LP560-4 - in nearly all weather conditions - thus, higher boost pressure when hot). Only EVO can possibly tell how they managed to reach these very, very strange test results

    Re: EVO: LP560 vs GT2 & Scuderia

    Markus,

    You forgot one important thing-GT2 is manual and Scud/LP560-4 are sequential manuals...

    So, it could be a problem with clutch in that example of GT2 or new EVO testers are not as good as R.Meaden(which is now working for Drivers Republic from our member here Steve D)?

    BUT, I presonally saw data from Nardo test and belive it or not LP560-4 was 0.7s faster till 300km/h then GT2. Just a hint LP560-4 achieved similar time as in Auto Bild test...

    Re: EVO: LP560 vs GT2 & Scuderia

    Quote:
    shin said:
    For the Quattroroute result I believe the LP560-4 was with the optional Comfort suspension which explains why it was slower.



    yes was with standard suspension,not with optionals sport package

    Re: EVO: LP560 vs GT2 & Scuderia

    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    Markus,

    You forgot one important thing-GT2 is manual and Scud/LP560-4 are sequential manuals...

    So, it could be a problem with clutch in that example of GT2 or new EVO testers are not as good as R.Meaden(which is now working for Drivers Republic from our member here Steve D)?





    That could be the case. There must be some logical explanation for the test result...

    BTW, a delta of 0.7s is absolutely possible. In one test the 560 is .7s faster, then the GT2 is 0.7s faster - in essence these cars are probably equally fast. The 560-4 has some more hps. The GT2 is lighter and has less drive-train loss due to lack of AWD. CwxA of both cars is very similar (although I am waiting for the SportAuto Supertest of the 560-4 to verify this). It would be a miracle if either car was substantially quicker than the other (in the stright line ).

    Re: EVO: LP560 vs GT2 & Scuderia

    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    Markus,

    You forgot one important thing-GT2 is manual and Scud/LP560-4 are sequential manuals...

    So, it could be a problem with clutch in that example of GT2 or new EVO testers are not as good as R.Meaden(which is now working for Drivers Republic from our member here Steve D)?

    BUT, I presonally saw data from Nardo test and belive it or not LP560-4 was 0.7s faster till 300km/h then GT2. Just a hint LP560-4 achieved similar time as in Auto Bild test...



    Kreso, how did the GT2 do at Nardo? Does it reach the factory claimed 0-300 time?

    Re: EVO: LP560 vs GT2 & Scuderia

    In short-NO.

    Re: EVO: LP560 vs GT2 & Scuderia

    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    In short-NO.



    Ouch! Not good .

    Re: EVO: LP560 vs GT2 & Scuderia

    Quote:
    Crash said:
    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    In short-NO.



    Ouch! Not good .



    No need to worry. Even if the GT2 shall be 2-3s slower than the 0-300 factory claim in the AMS high-speed test - the GT2 is still an uncomparable masterpiece Cars like 599GTB or LP640 might be faster 0-300. They also have more "character". But then: the GT2 is simply a car with an outstanding level of refinement and quality. No Italian (I can only compare Ferrari and Lamborghini) or other sports car I have driven can match that level of perfection. Just my humble opionion

    Re: EVO: LP560 vs GT2 & Scuderia

    Markus,
    I agree with you here but, not fully... Why?

    First, GT2 suffers from bigger turbo lag then normal Turbo. Second, when cold Michelin Cup tires are almost dangerous. You can loose the rear end in split second despite LSD when tires are not warm enough. On the wet road they require full attack mode concentration, at least IMHO.
    So, yes, 997 GT2 is totally awsome sportscar, just it is not without minor flaws...

    Re: EVO: LP560 vs GT2 & Scuderia

    I would never shell that much cash on a GT2 when a regular Carrera looks exactly the same.. ok, with a bodykit.

    Re: EVO: LP560 vs GT2 & Scuderia

    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    Markus,
    I agree with you here but, not fully... Why?

    First, GT2 suffers from bigger turbo lag then normal Turbo. Second, when cold Michelin Cup tires are almost dangerous. You can loose the rear end in split second despite LSD when tires are not warm enough. On the wet road they require full attack mode concentration, at least IMHO.
    So, yes, 997 GT2 is totally awsome sportscar, just it is not without minor flaws...



    You are right regarding the Cup tires. They are very slippery when cold. The turbo lag is not that bad - I did not notice a major difference to the 997TT... And you get some additional power from the larger turbo chargers


    BTW, did some 700kms of high-speed driving in the 599 today. The Ferrari is an excellent car as well. However, compared to the GT2 the 599 exhibits some more "indifference" in communicating with the driver. The precision of steering, suspension and brakes of the GT2 really defines a new benchmark. At the same time Ferrari offers an extremely nice (and powerful) engine as well as a great F1 gear-box.

     
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