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    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    RC:

    Mr. Wiedeking actually drives around in a Maybach...with a driver.

    I'm curious if he is going to switch to the Panamera, rumors indicate that it was him who asked for more leg- and head room in the rear.

    He likes to eat potatoes, not sure about his Porsche Junior Tractor, never heard this(maybe just a publicity stunt? Smiley)


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

    RC,

    Wiedeking is hobby farmer. He likes to work on his farm, it is his hobby and a way to swicth off all the hype which is surrounding him.



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    AM


    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    andrea:

            in italy is not too expensive the burmester system

     

    682 Burmester® High-End Surround Sound 3.564,00 EUR
    -System
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    Dedi La vita è troppo corta per non guidare italiano.....
    That's not too bad if you compare it with the crappy BOSE Smiley
    I've heard a little bit > 4.000 Euro in germany (maybe incl. VAT ?)

            


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    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    it's an absolute joke that 4zone aircon is optional on this car....

    as for pricing, i think its logical that PAG is placing the panamera turbo in 997 turbo region......


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    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    RC:

    Interior close-up shot.

    pana3.jpg


     

     


            tire pressure in the front higher than the rear.......that's new to me.....

     

     

     


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    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    reginos:

    These diesel engined Allgaier tractors are coming back in the limelight now that Porsche are offering diesel engined cars.

    There is one in the new museum and I saw the one below at the Leipzig guest area last year.

    One of the things I like about Porsche is this absence of snobbery.

    new 071.jpg

    Porsche Diesel tractors have been a popular collectors item here in Germany for years. Most of the ones seen at veteran vehicle exhibitions, etc, are immaculately restored.


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    fritz

    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    ALDO:
    RC:

    Mr. Wiedeking actually drives around in a Maybach...with a driver.

    I'm curious if he is going to switch to the Panamera, rumors indicate that it was him who asked for more leg- and head room in the rear.

    He likes to eat potatoes, not sure about his Porsche Junior Tractor, never heard this(maybe just a publicity stunt? Smiley)


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

    RC,

    Wiedeking is hobby farmer. He likes to work on his farm, it is his hobby and a way to swicth off all the hype which is surrounding him.



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    AM


    He is also a wine collector, this doesn't mean he has to grow his own wine. Smiley
           


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    fritz:
    reginos:

    These diesel engined Allgaier tractors are coming back in the limelight now that Porsche are offering diesel engined cars.

    There is one in the new museum and I saw the one below at the Leipzig guest area last year.

    One of the things I like about Porsche is this absence of snobbery.

    new 071.jpg

    Porsche Diesel tractors have been a popular collectors item here in Germany for years. Most of the ones seen at veteran vehicle exhibitions, etc, are immaculately restored.


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    fritz

    So I wonder why this little baby can't be found anywhere in the Porsche museum?! Smiley

    Nickname: "Ferdinand". Guess why... Smiley

    elefant_2.jpg

     


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    I wish they displayed this and other controversial Ferdinand Porsche designs because they are part of Porsche history.

    I wish Germans were not so tense and uncomfortable about this period.


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    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    RC:
    ALDO:
    RC:

    Mr. Wiedeking actually drives around in a Maybach...with a driver.

    I'm curious if he is going to switch to the Panamera, rumors indicate that it was him who asked for more leg- and head room in the rear.

    He likes to eat potatoes, not sure about his Porsche Junior Tractor, never heard this(maybe just a publicity stunt? Smiley)


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

    RC,

    Wiedeking is hobby farmer. He likes to work on his farm, it is his hobby and a way to swicth off all the hype which is surrounding him.



    --

    AM


    He is also a wine collector, this doesn't mean he has to grow his own wine. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

     The story about hobby farmer is true and no speculation, beleive me.       


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    AM


    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    there was an article in the recent spiegel about the cayenne diesel stating that WW collects the tractors and is a hobby farmer.
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    Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you.

    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    ALDO:
    RC:
    ALDO:
    RC:

    Mr. Wiedeking actually drives around in a Maybach...with a driver.

    I'm curious if he is going to switch to the Panamera, rumors indicate that it was him who asked for more leg- and head room in the rear.

    He likes to eat potatoes, not sure about his Porsche Junior Tractor, never heard this(maybe just a publicity stunt? Smiley)


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

    RC,

    Wiedeking is hobby farmer. He likes to work on his farm, it is his hobby and a way to swicth off all the hype which is surrounding him.



    --

    AM


    He is also a wine collector, this doesn't mean he has to grow his own wine. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

     The story about hobby farmer is true and no speculation, beleive me.       


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    AM

    I think you misunderstood me. I was referring to the tractor, he doesn't do tractor farmwork.

    Sorry about the confusion.  

            


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    reginos:

    I wish they displayed this and other controversial Ferdinand Porsche designs because they are part of Porsche history.

    I wish Germans were not so tense and uncomfortable about this period.


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    It's not where you're going, it's how you get there that counts

    I agree with the first part but not with the second.     


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    RC:
    ALDO:
    RC:
    ALDO:
    RC:

    He likes to eat potatoes, not sure about his Porsche Junior Tractor, never heard this(maybe just a publicity stunt? 



    RC,

    Wiedeking is hobby farmer. He likes to work on his farm, it is his hobby and a way to swicth off all the hype which is surrounding him.


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    AM


    He is also a wine collector, this doesn't mean he has to grow his own wine. Smiley



     The story about hobby farmer is true and no speculation, beleive me.       


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    AM

    I think you misunderstood me. I was referring to the tractor, he doesn't do tractor farmwork.

    Sorry about the confusion.  


    Don't place any bets on it, RC. Smiley

    A photograph was published in some magazine some time ago showing him sitting on his tractor in his potato field. Smiley

    I forget where I  saw it.


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    fritz

    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    Porsche-Jeck:
    andrea:

            in italy is not too expensive the burmester system

     

    682 Burmester® High-End Surround Sound 3.564,00 EUR
    -System
    --
    Dedi La vita è troppo corta per non guidare italiano.....
    That's not too bad if you compare it with the crappy BOSE Smiley
    I've heard a little bit > 4.000 Euro in germany (maybe incl. VAT ?)

            


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    public roads: Porsche 987 S Seal/Cocoa, toll road Smiley : Porsche 997 GT3 Arctic/Black

    In Germany the Burmester is 4.748,10 Euro including VAT. Quite a difference to Italy or was that price without VAT? Smiley

            


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    Back again!  Smiley


    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    intouch1:
    RC:

    Interior close-up shot.

    pana3.jpg

    Did nobody notice RC's Rennteam steering wheel?   That option must be at least 2000 Euro... (with proceeds going to the site!) 

     Maybe we need to offer Rennteam advice for a real RennTeam package for the Panamera?  (the steering wheel stays..)  Smiley



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    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    Is the panamera uniform colour steering wheel all leather? Does anyone know?

    I wish an all black wheel was available for the 997 w/o the vulkan grey.


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    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    Rossi:
    Porsche-Jeck:
    andrea:

            in italy is not too expensive the burmester system

    682 Burmester® High-End Surround Sound 3.564,00 EUR
    -System
    --
    Dedi La vita è troppo corta per non guidare italiano.....
    That's not too bad if you compare it with the crappy BOSE Smiley
    I've heard a little bit > 4.000 Euro in germany (maybe incl. VAT ?)


    --
    public roads: Porsche 987 S Seal/Cocoa, toll road Smiley : Porsche 997 GT3 Arctic/Black

    In Germany the Burmester is 4.748,10 Euro including VAT. Quite a difference to Italy or was that price without VAT? Smiley


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    Back again!  Smiley

    without 20% VAT


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    Dedi La vita è troppo corta per non guidare italiano.....

    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    fritz:
    RC:
    ALDO:
    RC:
    ALDO:
    RC:

    He likes to eat potatoes, not sure about his Porsche Junior Tractor, never heard this(maybe just a publicity stunt? 



    RC,

    Wiedeking is hobby farmer. He likes to work on his farm, it is his hobby and a way to swicth off all the hype which is surrounding him.


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    AM


    He is also a wine collector, this doesn't mean he has to grow his own wine. Smiley



     The story about hobby farmer is true and no speculation, beleive me.       


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    AM

    I think you misunderstood me. I was referring to the tractor, he doesn't do tractor farmwork.

    Sorry about the confusion.  


    Don't place any bets on it, RC. Smiley

    A photograph was published in some magazine some time ago showing him sitting on his tractor in his potato field. Smiley

    I forget where I  saw it.

     


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    fritz

    Well, if you believe everything you read in the media...here we go. Smiley

    0,1020,244166,00.jpg
     


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    Good Heavens! That could be the Panamera Coupe mule!Smiley

    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    I forgot to mention something about Panamera interior quality (materials, haptics, etc.): the Panamera is probably the Porsche with the best interior quality ever. Very good looking, very good build/material quality.
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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    Rossi:
    Porsche-Jeck:
    andrea:

            in italy is not too expensive the burmester system

     

    682 Burmester® High-End Surround Sound 3.564,00 EUR
    -System
    --
    Dedi La vita è troppo corta per non guidare italiano.....
    That's not too bad if you compare it with the crappy BOSE Smiley
    I've heard a little bit > 4.000 Euro in germany (maybe incl. VAT ?)

            


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    public roads: Porsche 987 S Seal/Cocoa, toll road Smiley : Porsche 997 GT3 Arctic/Black

    In Germany the Burmester is 4.748,10 Euro including VAT. Quite a difference to Italy or was that price without VAT? Smiley

            


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    Back again!  Smiley


            Sounds like a fair price if the sound quality is comparable to Audi's B&O system. It is probably a wise decision of Porsche to offer a high-quality sound system as Audi does. Might sound silly but apart from other factors (AWD, design, handling) the B&O system was a major factor in deciding on my current Audi Smiley There might be a substantial number of customers who would not like a "luxury limousine" (like the Panamera) without a proper sound system...


    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    RC:
    I forgot to mention something about Panamera interior quality (materials, haptics, etc.): the Panamera is probably the Porsche with the best interior quality ever. Very good looking, very good build/material quality.
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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

            that's good,a lot of money invested have to be shown in overall quality


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    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    Another pic i found online, this seat looks different than the turbos/ probably a p4S.


    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    RC:
    Burmester Sound System with a whopping 1000 Watts output.pana1.jpg

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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

    The price for Burmester is:

    Turbo: 3.534 €

    S/4S: 4.748 €



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    AM


    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    ALDO:
    RC:
    Burmester Sound System with a whopping 1000 Watts output.pana1.jpg

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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

    The price for Burmester is:

    Turbo: 3.534 €

    S/4S: 4.748 €



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    AM

    That's quite cheap (compared to Audi's B&O). Hopefully, the Burmester system can match the B&O's qualities Smiley

    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    MKSGR:
    ALDO:
    RC:
    Burmester Sound System with a whopping 1000 Watts output.pana1.jpg

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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

    The price for Burmester is:

    Turbo: 3.534 €

    S/4S: 4.748 €



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    AM

    That's quite cheap (compared to Audi's B&O). Hopefully, the Burmester system can match the B&O's qualities Smiley

            bmw individivual isn't better than b&o?


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    Dedi La vita è troppo corta per non guidare italiano.....

    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    ALDO:
    RC:
    Burmester Sound System with a whopping 1000 Watts output.pana1.jpg

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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

    The price for Burmester is:

    Turbo: 3.534 €

    S/4S: 4.748 €



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    AM


    Burmester for the Turbo is cheaper because the Turbo already has the BOSE system as a standard feature. Still...lots of money, especially since this is ONLY for the Burmester update, not the other stuff like navigation and phone. Maybe I just lost track of option prices but for ME, this is very expensive.        


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    RC:
    ALDO:
    RC:
    Burmester Sound System with a whopping 1000 Watts output.pana1.jpg

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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

    The price for Burmester is:

    Turbo: 3.534 €

    S/4S: 4.748 €



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    AM


    Burmester for the Turbo is cheaper because the Turbo already has the BOSE system as a standard feature. Still...lots of money, especially since this is ONLY for the Burmester update, not the other stuff like navigation and phone. Maybe I just lost track of option prices but for ME, this is very expensive.        


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor 997 Turbo, Cayenne Turbo S, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

            I didn´t wanted to comment on the Burmester sound system because I wasn´t sure if it is an update of the Bose system or was a totally different option. Now seeing that it is an update of the Bose system I agree that it is a VERY expensive option!!! Costs more than the PDK gearbox!!!! SmileySmileySmiley



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    Re: Panamera - more detailled infos and interior photos

    andrea:

            bmw individivual isn't better than b&o?




     No, unfortunately not. To date I would argue that the B&O (Audi A8) is the best system I know.

      @RC: Audi charges some 6.800 Euros for their B&O system (if I recall correctly). That's why I thought the price of the Burmester seems OK - IF the quality is equal to or better than B&O Smiley


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    B&O has a lot of experience in building good quality loud speakers in small environment. Burmester wasn´t on the design like B&O, they have used much larger loud speakers boxes. So I would bet that B&O in Audi or AM has the best audio system for today. 

    But let´s see. If we will get 12-14 acitve loud speakers in B&O quality then 4.748 € isn´t too much. Remeber good HiFi was never  cheap.


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