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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    Topspeed:

    new Porsche Panamera Turbo: 7:38

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVuTyb3NmSs

     

    Impressive but pointless in my opinion. Car is a pre-production car and was equipped specifically for the track. God knows what other kind of mods the car had "under the hood and body". Smiley Yes, it is impressive but do you think most potential Panamera buyers even care? Smiley


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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    Same goes for Giulia, nobody knows what mods it had under the hood.

    But you are right, Panamera buyers don't care about this. On the other hand, Alfa Romeo needs some kind of publicity to sell the Giulia.


    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    Topspeed:

    Same goes for Giulia, nobody knows what mods it had under the hood.

    But you are right, Panamera buyers don't care about this. On the other hand, Alfa Romeo needs some kind of publicity to sell the Giulia.

    Lap times make more sense for the Giulia QV indeed. 

    I like the new Giulia but Alfa Romeo had a bad reputation in the past and while the Giulia is certainly more powerful and faster than the M3, I don't know how good the quality is. Also, I am a little bit disappointed with the interior (for an Italian company a bit not really stylish) and that rear around the exhausts. It looks a bit playful, more Japanese than Italian, not sure I like it.


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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    RC:
    Car is a pre-production car and was equipped specifically for the track. God knows what other kind of mods the car had "under the hood and body". Smiley 

    Well whatever they did to it, they obviously did just enough to beat the Alfa by a single second over 20.6km.  Not that impressive, since it costs twice as much as the Alfa...

    But still amazing that this pair of sedans is lapping faster than GT3's of a just few years ago.  I guess the Pana is on street tires and the Alfa is on Corsas as well...


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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    The alfa giulia with automatic transmission lapped the ring in 7.32 and this time there is a video of it.

    And if you look at the end the 2 last curves that brings you in the long straight, he did clearly miss the correct apex, but driving so fast it happens, but the time as far it is only a marketing thing as we all know, is any way amazing for a 4 doors car.

    video of it

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFLuFnFlbDY


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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    That is a hectic drive ! But a very impressing time . I like this car 


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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    I like this Alfa sedan a lot and it is much more interesting to me than a BMW 5 or MB E class; however, as RC said, Alfa's reputation for reliability and service is extremely poor. We have a new Alfa dealer in our area (paired w/ Fiat) and they know very little about the 4C they are currently trying to sell. Parts supply also seems to be a persistent issues from what I can read between the lines. Alfa may not last in the US this go around either.  Finding myself owning an "orphan" brand down the road is one thing, but a non-serviceable (even non-running) orphan is quite another.


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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    I do not know if you can already use the description "flop" but my local dealer isn't happy with Giulia sales, especially the QV has basically no interested customers at all (OK, smaller dealership in a smaller city area but still...). Dealer has one QV testcar and no interest in it at all.

    Also, have been to Italy for over a week, was driving around a lot and have not seen a single Giulia. Not one!


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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    this time the car is super, but as you say it is a flop.

    Alfa is a brand that almost no one consider when buying a car, not even the italians. so I can clearly say it will not be a seller, even if I think that this time tha car is for the first time in the league with the germans, and what I'm reading it is a better car to drive but the interior quality is still lacking.

    When you make shit car for 25 years.....this is the consequence. I was thinking that in germany some QV could be interesting...but as you say no interest..this is sad...


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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    xander71:

    this time the car is super, but as you say it is a flop.

    Alfa is a brand that almost no one consider when buying a car, not even the italians. so I can clearly say it will not be a seller, even if I think that this time tha car is for the first time in the league with the germans, and what I'm reading it is a better car to drive but the interior quality is still lacking.

    When you make shit car for 25 years.....this is the consequence. I was thinking that in germany some QV could be interesting...but as you say no interest..this is sad...

    I'm afraid this is very true. I also get a feeling that marketing sucks as well, they need to go into the offensive, not wait for customers to come to them. This is no Ferrari.


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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    I requested info about the QV through the Alfa web page and still waiting.... Too late


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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    Impressive timing for Alfa, and the look of the car is excellent, its not any Audi or BMWs, but I wouldn't get one, since Alfa needs to built their reputation from ground up with their quality built.    Other car manufactures are offering 5 year warranty to help with the reputation and it really worked.  I don't think Alfa is ready for such big gamble though.....


    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    Lapt times by auto
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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    Ops ""the pix is not ok..will fix it...it was a test on the track, where the giulia got a faster time than a bmw m4gts...and 7sec faster than an m3... Impressive numbers.

    followed one at a track day at the imola track..just incredible fast.


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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    Only .11s slower than RC's R8 ;)

    "Auto magazine has tested Giulia Quadrifoglio on Balocco test track.
    It has lapped in mere 2'50"21 becoming the fastest 4-doors sedan ever tested.
    It has been 7" seconds faster tha BMW M3, more than 5" faster than M4, 1"6 faster than Audi RS6 and... 0"6 faster than BMW M4 GTS."


    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    What a time, huge respect for Alfa, they are back kiss


    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    Josef:

    What a time, huge respect for Alfa, they are back kiss

    It is a pitty that the car has serious engineering issues. They wriee about ghe drive train being over stressed with the power, apparently the whole car starts to shake and shiver under full power... 


    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    noone1:

    Only .11s slower than RC's R8 ;)

    "Auto magazine has tested Giulia Quadrifoglio on Balocco test track.
    It has lapped in mere 2'50"21 becoming the fastest 4-doors sedan ever tested.
    It has been 7" seconds faster tha BMW M3, more than 5" faster than M4, 1"6 faster than Audi RS6 and... 0"6 faster than BMW M4 GTS."

    So what you are saying is that the Giulia has great tires compared to those others right? Smiley


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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    MKSGR:
    Josef:

    What a time, huge respect for Alfa, they are back kiss

    It is a pitty that the car has serious engineering issues. They wriee about ghe drive train being over stressed with the power, apparently the whole car starts to shake and shiver under full power... 

    That is bad... I would like to test the car once though.


    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    noone1:

    Only .11s slower than RC's R8 ;)

    "Auto magazine has tested Giulia Quadrifoglio on Balocco test track.
    It has lapped in mere 2'50"21 becoming the fastest 4-doors sedan ever tested.
    It has been 7" seconds faster tha BMW M3, more than 5" faster than M4, 1"6 faster than Audi RS6 and... 0"6 faster than BMW M4 GTS."

    RC's R8 had a miraculous power loss during the Supertest and neither SA nor Audi ever tried to clear that up.

    In a second test they did in Hockenheim (for a R8, Huracan, 991.2 Turbo S comparison), the R8 actually achieved similar numbers to the Huracan (a tiny bit worse, 1.09,0 instead of 1.07,5 min. because the Huracan was on Trofeo R and the R8 on Cup 2 with Audi specs).

    Still faster than your bicycle... 😉

    As to Alfa Romeo: If they are back, they are probably back like the "old" Alfa Romeo, incl. quality and setup issues. 

    Looking at the 4C, I think they started well but then

     


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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    Carlos from Spain:
    noone1:

    Only .11s slower than RC's R8 ;)

    "Auto magazine has tested Giulia Quadrifoglio on Balocco test track.
    It has lapped in mere 2'50"21 becoming the fastest 4-doors sedan ever tested.
    It has been 7" seconds faster tha BMW M3, more than 5" faster than M4, 1"6 faster than Audi RS6 and... 0"6 faster than BMW M4 GTS."

    So what you are saying is that the Giulia has great tires compared to those others right? Smiley

    Nope, all I'm saying is that it's faster than RC's R8, because whatever car RC has seems to be the benchmark for all cars on RT.


    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    New Giulia QV is a very good car but, no match to true sportscar. Even with standard Corsas car is over 4s slower on HHR 991.2 Carrera GTS (on new Corsas). 

    It is according to various tests by French, British and German magazines more or less on pair with its competitors likeM4/3, C63 etc.


    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    noone1:
    Carlos from Spain:
    noone1:

    Only .11s slower than RC's R8 ;)

    "Auto magazine has tested Giulia Quadrifoglio on Balocco test track.
    It has lapped in mere 2'50"21 becoming the fastest 4-doors sedan ever tested.
    It has been 7" seconds faster tha BMW M3, more than 5" faster than M4, 1"6 faster than Audi RS6 and... 0"6 faster than BMW M4 GTS."

    So what you are saying is that the Giulia has great tires compared to those others right? Smiley

    Nope, all I'm saying is that it's faster than RC's R8, because whatever car RC has seems to be the benchmark for all cars on RT.

    You mean the Giulia's tires are faster than the R8's when tested?


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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    KresoF1:

    New Giulia QV is a very good car but, no match to true sportscar. Even with standard Corsas car is over 4s slower on HHR 991.2 Carrera GTS (on new Corsas). 

    It is according to various tests by French, British and German magazines more or less on pair with its competitors likeM4/3, C63 etc.

    OK, but that seems reasonable.  Why would you expect a 4-door saloon to be a superior sports car than the segment-leading sports car?


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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    I drove the normal Giulia 200hp, and i must say that the driving feeling is just another league compared to my c class, wow really nice job.


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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    Forza Italia! indecision


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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    noone1:
    Carlos from Spain:
    noone1:

    Only .11s slower than RC's R8 ;)

    "Auto magazine has tested Giulia Quadrifoglio on Balocco test track.
    It has lapped in mere 2'50"21 becoming the fastest 4-doors sedan ever tested.
    It has been 7" seconds faster tha BMW M3, more than 5" faster than M4, 1"6 faster than Audi RS6 and... 0"6 faster than BMW M4 GTS."

    So what you are saying is that the Giulia has great tires compared to those others right? Smiley

    Nope, all I'm saying is that it's faster than RC's R8, because whatever car RC has seems to be the benchmark for all cars on RT.

    I thought that white GT4 from Switzerland was the benchmark? Smiley Now I feel flattered and no, the Alfa is still not faster, not even close (you cannot compare numbers from different magazines).


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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    Viva Alfa Romeo Smiley


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    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    Carlos from Spain:
    noone1:
    Carlos from Spain:
    noone1:

    Only .11s slower than RC's R8 ;)

    "Auto magazine has tested Giulia Quadrifoglio on Balocco test track.
    It has lapped in mere 2'50"21 becoming the fastest 4-doors sedan ever tested.
    It has been 7" seconds faster tha BMW M3, more than 5" faster than M4, 1"6 faster than Audi RS6 and... 0"6 faster than BMW M4 GTS."

    So what you are saying is that the Giulia has great tires compared to those others right? Smiley

    Nope, all I'm saying is that it's faster than RC's R8, because whatever car RC has seems to be the benchmark for all cars on RT.

    You mean the Giulia's tires are faster than the R8's when tested?

    Italian air makes a huge difference......


    Re: New Giulia laps the ring in 7.39

    Hot air... 😁


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