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    OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    The Porsche model offensive in the anniversary year of the 911 is reaching new heights. 50 years ago, the 911 made its debut at the Frankfurt International Auto Show. And just ten years later, the first 911 Turbo prototype was at the IAA. On this 40th anniversary Porsche is now presenting the new generation 911 Turbo and Turbo S – the technological and dynamic performance peak of the 911 series. New all-wheel drive, active rear axle steering, adaptive aerodynamics, full-LED headlights and the up to 560 hp flat six-cylinder engine with bi-turbo charging underscore the role of the new generation 911 Turbo as a circuit racing car, everyday car and technology platform. Playing an equally crucial role are the entirely new chassis in lightweight design with a 100 mm longer wheelbase and larger 20-inch wheels. The PDCC active anti-roll system, which is being offered for the first time in 911 Turbo models, increases dynamic performance even more. This system is standard equipment in the 911 Turbo S, as is the Sport Chrono Package with dynamic engine mounts and PCCB ceramic brakes; all of these features are also available as options in the 911 Turbo. The results: The new 911 Turbo S shortens the lap time for the North Loop of the Nürburgring to well under 7:30 minutes – naturally with standard production tyres. The standard sound symposer intensifies the driving experience; it transmits induction sounds of the turbo engine to the passenger compartment via a speaker diaphragm.

    More power, fuel economy improved by 16 per cent 
    The performance partners in the powertrain area are the further advanced engines and the new PTM all-wheel drive system. The turbocharged 3.8-litre six-cylinder engine with direct petrol injection produces 520 hp (383 kW) in the 911 Turbo and 560 hp (412 kW) in the S model. Porsche continues to be the only carmaker to offer two turbochargers with variable turbine geometry for a petrol engine. Power is transferred to the drivetrain via the seven-speed dual clutch transmission (PDK), which now enables an auto start/stop function with engine shutoff that now activates earlier during coasting to a stop as well as a coasting function. Together with the new thermal management system for the turbo engine and the PDK transmission, fuel efficiency technologies have reduced NEDC fuel consumption by up to 16 per cent to 9.7 l/100 km; these figures apply to both models.

    New all-wheel drive with electro-hydraulic control
    For an even faster and more precise power distribution to the two axles, Porsche developed a new all-wheel drive system (PTM) with electronically controlled and activated multi-plate coupling. The system is equipped with a new water cooling function, so that it can direct even more drive torque to the front wheels if necessary. Simultaneously, the optimised interplay of the engine, transmission and all-wheel drive systems takes the new top 911 to even better sprint capabilities. The 911 Turbo with the optional Sport Chrono Package accelerates from zero to 100 km/h in 3.2 seconds, which is even one-tenth better than the value of the previous 911 Turbo S. The new 911 Turbo S handles the standard sprint to 100 km/h in just 3.1 seconds, the sprint to 160 km/h in only 6.8 seconds and to 200 km/h in 10.3 seconds. The car’s top speed is 318 km/h.

    Widest body of all 911 cars
    The two new top models display their performance visually more than ever. The characteristic, expansively wide rear body panels of the new generation 911 Turbo are 28 mm wider than on the 911 Carrera 4 models – they feature a nearly level surface, about the width of a hand, between the C-pillar and the outer edge of the car body. Other differentiating characteristics include two-tone forged 20-inch wheels – on the 911 Turbo S they have hub wheel locks. The Turbo S is also making its appearance with new full-LED headlights that feature four-point daytime running lights and dynamic, camera-based main beam control, which can be ordered as an option for the 911 Turbo.

    Rear axle steering sustainably improves handling 
    The introduction of rear axle steering in all turbo models immensely improves both circuit racing and everyday performance of the two new top sports cars. The system consists of two electro-mechanical actuators instead of the conventional control arms on the left and right of the rear axle. The steering angle of the rear wheels can be varied by up to 2.8 degrees, depending on vehicle speed. At speeds up to 50 km/h, when the front wheels are turned the system steers the rear wheels in the opposite direction. This actually corresponds to a virtual shortening of the wheelbase by 250 mm, which gives the 911 Turbo unrivalled performance in bends. The system lets the car turn faster into the bend and offers more dynamic steering response. This noticeably simplifies manoeuvring and parking. 

    At speeds above 80 km/h, the system steers the rear wheels parallel to the turned front wheels. This is equivalent to a virtual lengthening of the wheelbase by a significant 500 mm and gives the sports car tremendous stability, especially at high speeds. At the same time, the steering input by the driver leads to significantly faster build-up of lateral force at the rear axle, which initiates the change in direction more spontaneous and harmoniously. 

    Active aerodynamics improve efficiency and performance
    Porsche developed an active aerodynamic system on the new 911 Turbo models for the first time — Porsche active aerodynamics (PAA). It consists of a sturdy, retractable three-stage front spoiler, whose segments can be pneumatically extended, and a deployable rear wing with three adjustable wing positions. This makes it possible to tune the aerodynamics of the 911 Turbo to fulfil driver wishes for either optimal efficiency (speed position) or top dynamic performance. In the performance position, all segments of the front spoiler are fully extended, and they generate considerable downforce at the front axle. Similarly, the rear wing is extended to its maximum height with the greatest angle of attack. This also generates more downforce at the rear axle. Dynamic performance is improved to such an extent that lap times at the North Loop of the Nürburgring are improved by up to two seconds due to this system alone. 

    New interior with high-end features
    The interior was completely redesigned in both 911 Turbo models, and it builds on the 911 Carrera family. The S model is particularly well equipped, offering such features as an exclusive interior in a black/carrera red colour combination and adaptive sport seats plus with 18-way adjustment and memory. In addition, the seat backrest shells are leather upholstered with double cap seams and various elements in carbon look. Like on the previous models, the Bose sound system is installed as standard; for the first time, a Burmester system is also available as an optional feature. A radar-controlled cruise control system, camera-based road sign recognition and speed limit recognition are other new options being offered.

    The new top models of the 911 model series arrive on the market at the end of September 2013. In Germany, the 911 Turbo costs 162,055 euros; the new 911 Turbo S costs 195,256 euros, including VAT and country-specific features. 

    Specs update:

    Tire sizes: 245/35 ZR20 front and 305/30 ZR20 rear

    Rim sizes: Turbo 8,5J x 20 front and 11J x 20 rear - Turbo S 9J x 20 front and 11,5 J x 20 rear

    Brake caliper sizes: 380 mm front and rear (Turbo S and PCCB option on Turbo: 410 mm front and 390 mm rear)

    Acceleration performance (Sport Plus): 0-100 kph in 3,2 sec. (Turbo S: 3,1 sec.), 0-160 kph in 7,1 sec. (Turbo S: 6,8 sec.) and 0-200 kph in 10,8 sec. (Turbo S: 10,3 sec.). 

    Weight (DIN): 1595 kg (Turbo S: 1605 kg)

    Fuel tank capacity: 68 l

    Gear ratio: Same on both cars.

     

     

     

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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    A Porsche at €200.000 plus, should have a very arresting appearance. This one, for all its technology and numbers, is like reheated food. I thought I would never say this angry

    Among the sub-exotic cars, Audi R8 V10 Plus is more special.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    reginos:

    A Porsche at €200.000 plus, should have a very arresting appearance. This one, for all its technology and numbers, is like reheated food. I thought I would never say this angry

    Among the sub-exotic cars, Audi R8 V10 Plus is more special.


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    "Form follows function"

    What do you expect? It follows the 911 Turbo tradition. I actually think that Porsche did a bit too much regarding the exterior design because many 911 Turbo over here in Germany are driven by business men and you really don't want to attract too much attention. The 911 Turbo is a driver's car, the R8 V10 Plus more of a driver poser's car. Smiley

    Right now, I am thinking about getting one...in black of course. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    GT3 and Carrera S look much better from the outside angry performance is a different story


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    I don't like the ultra-cheap view of the front lip and Panamera Turbo exhaust look, all the rest looks fine to me

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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    I actually love it but i'm not too sure about the performance numbers, they don't seem that much improved over the last generation though. :/


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    SportCarGroup:

    I don't like the ultra-cheap view of the front lip and Panamera Turbo exhaust look, all the rest looks fine to me

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    Did you read the bit about the spoilers having a 3-stage adjustment feature to adjust front and rear downforce?  Perhaps the look of the front spoiler is caused by the function of it.

    Active aerodynamics improve efficiency and performance
    Porsche developed an active aerodynamic system on the new 911 Turbo models for the first time — Porsche active aerodynamics (PAA). It consists of a sturdy, retractable three-stage front spoiler, whose segments can be pneumatically extended, and a deployable rear wing with three adjustable wing positions. This makes it possible to tune the aerodynamics of the 911 Turbo to fulfil driver wishes for either optimal efficiency (speed position) or top dynamic performance. In the performance position, all segments of the front spoiler are fully extended, and they generate considerable downforce at the front axle. Similarly, the rear wing is extended to its maximum height with the greatest angle of attack. This also generates more downforce at the rear axle. Dynamic performance is improved to such an extent that lap times at the North Loop of the Nürburgring are improved by up to two seconds due to this system alone. 

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    Mike

    Carrera GT + Tesla Roadster 1.5 & Model S + Panamera Turbo +  BMW Z8 + BMW 3.0 CSi + Bentley Arnage T + GT3 RS 4.0


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    W8MM:
    SportCarGroup:

    I don't like the ultra-cheap view of the front lip and Panamera Turbo exhaust look, all the rest looks fine to me

    1367582844916image.png.jpeg

    Did you read the bit about the spoilers having a 3-stage adjustment feature to adjust front and rear downforce?  Perhaps the look of the front spoiler is caused by the function of it.

    Active aerodynamics improve efficiency and performance
    Porsche developed an active aerodynamic system on the new 911 Turbo models for the first time — Porsche active aerodynamics (PAA). It consists of a sturdy, retractable three-stage front spoiler, whose segments can be pneumatically extended, and a deployable rear wing with three adjustable wing positions. This makes it possible to tune the aerodynamics of the 911 Turbo to fulfil driver wishes for either optimal efficiency (speed position) or top dynamic performance. In the performance position, all segments of the front spoiler are fully extended, and they generate considerable downforce at the front axle. Similarly, the rear wing is extended to its maximum height with the greatest angle of attack. This also generates more downforce at the rear axle. Dynamic performance is improved to such an extent that lap times at the North Loop of the Nürburgring are improved by up to two seconds due to this system alone. 

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    Mike

    Carrera GT + Tesla Roadster 1.5 & Model S + Panamera Turbo +  BMW Z8 + BMW 3.0 CSi + Bentley Arnage T + GT3 RS 4.0

    Now I remember....you must be right. Anyway, I don't like the look of it Smiley


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    if yr down to 3.3 sec level of the former S - it's pretty impossible to drop another 0.5 or so for a 1680 kgs car unless you jump huge HP numbers. I agree with RC - the expectations are again in the sky - but still lot's of people will get one after a while. Porsche-hardcore outcry is always big on every new model - but then it sets in. (except for manual indecision) Point is that with the turbo you mostsurely can do it all day whereas I am not convinced with a GTR and other "supercars". I might get one in a year or two as well looking at how expensive they will be after first depreciation hits em. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Maybe painted to exterior color, this part will look better


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    What a pleasant surprise on a Friday morning Smiley.  Very unexpected, now I have something to read and dream about when I have my morning coffee Smiley.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    pxaxh:

    I actually love it but i'm not too sure about the performance numbers, they don't seem that much improved over the last generation though. :/

    Wait until you see real testing results. Smiley The 991 Turbo S will hit 0-100 kph in under 3 seconds. Smiley

    Btw: 0-160 kph performance is 6.8  seconds (997 Turbo S: 7.1 seconds).

    Official 0-200 kph time is 10.3 seconds (991 Turbo S).

    The weight increase over the 997 Turbo S is only 20 kg.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    So what ? With a bit of soft tuning Techart/RUF did the same years ago.

    All turbos were great in their time, except the 996. Here comes 996, edition II !

    And if I am not wrong, this the first (or very few) turbo which has less HP than the last gen turbo S. Shame on Zuffenhausen.

    Will cancel my pre-order.

     


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    Of course its a question of taste, but I dont like the looks..!


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    SportCarGroup:
    W8MM:
    SportCarGroup:

    I don't like the ultra-cheap view of the front lip and Panamera Turbo exhaust look, all the rest looks fine to me

    1367582844916image.png.jpeg

    Did you read the bit about the spoilers having a 3-stage adjustment feature to adjust front and rear downforce?  Perhaps the look of the front spoiler is caused by the function of it.

    Active aerodynamics improve efficiency and performance
    Porsche developed an active aerodynamic system on the new 911 Turbo models for the first time — Porsche active aerodynamics (PAA). It consists of a sturdy, retractable three-stage front spoiler, whose segments can be pneumatically extended, and a deployable rear wing with three adjustable wing positions. This makes it possible to tune the aerodynamics of the 911 Turbo to fulfil driver wishes for either optimal efficiency (speed position) or top dynamic performance. In the performance position, all segments of the front spoiler are fully extended, and they generate considerable downforce at the front axle. Similarly, the rear wing is extended to its maximum height with the greatest angle of attack. This also generates more downforce at the rear axle. Dynamic performance is improved to such an extent that lap times at the North Loop of the Nürburgring are improved by up to two seconds due to this system alone. 

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    Mike

    Carrera GT + Tesla Roadster 1.5 & Model S + Panamera Turbo +  BMW Z8 + BMW 3.0 CSi + Bentley Arnage T + GT3 RS 4.0

    Now I remember....you must be right. Anyway, I don't like the look of it Smiley

    You were right, this is it :

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    RC, McLaren did an engine mapping rework and were able to extract more than 25PS for the "updated" 12C, and that's not even a face-lift.
    This is a new GENERATION Turbo! what's with this small incremental power bumps?
    the updated 12C can sprint from 0-200 in 8.8 (!) seconds only and there's not much difference in price between them!
    I know it's a great car and everything and I don't think they did enough in the performance department to keep up with the competition, especially the 12C.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    I much prefer it over the base 991 design. I LOVE it actually. The only thing I dislike is the shape of the side air intakes.


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    Of  the 911 variants, the Turbo is all about power the most, even if its already plenty powerfull for most drivers and public roads, still its a dissapointment that Porsche decided to offer with such conservative power figures. The competition sets the mark and the 991TT falls short of that by a long shot.

    Thats not to say that it won't be faster and especially more effective than ever, but what is irritating is that on such a Turbocharged engined they could have squeezed a few more HP (nothing outrageous just to match the competition) without breaking a sweat and they decided not to do it, thats what gets most people disspointed IMO. I get the feeling lately that Porsche is getting very cocky from their own success and are starting to think they can get away with anything... I guess they want customers to fork extra for the Turbo S which "coincidently" for the first time they release on the same date as the base TT Smiley

    That said I get the feeling the handling improvements will be a huge jump on this 991TT compared to previous generational jumps, and combined with PDK will throw some satisfying figures as well inspite the dissapointing HP figures.


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    pxaxh:

    RC, McLaren did an engine mapping rework and were able to extract more than 25PS for the "updated" 12C, and that's not even a face-lift.
    This is a new GENERATION Turbo! what's with this small incremental power bumps?
    the updated 12C can sprint from 0-200 in 8.8 (!) seconds only and there's not much difference in price between them!
    I know it's a great car and everything and I don't think they did enough in the performance department to keep up with the competition, especially the 12C.

    The 12C did 0-200 kph in 9.8 seconds (Sport Auto Supertest) and the Nordschleife in 7:28 min (which the 991 Turbo S will beat Smiley but not by much). The 12C is almost worthless in winter time and it lacks the two back seats. So in reality, the 12C is no real competitor of the 991 Turbo S, especially since I have tons of Porsche dealers around Germany and many other countries too but I have to drive quite a distance to find a competent McLaren repair shop.

    I never considered getting a McLaren but I guess I am biased. Smiley

    Speaking of power: Porsche needs to keep something for the facelift, right? Smiley I also think that real life performance of the Turbo S will be better than the numbers at hand. I heard something of 2.7 seconds from 0-100 kph and 9.5 seconds from 0-200 kph. This is an amazing performance for a car you can drive each and every day, including winter time, so I wouldn't complaint. If someone wants more, well...faster models will come, not necessarily in the 911 range only. Smiley Porsche cannot offer a 991 Turbo S as fast as the 918, this would be suicide...for the 918.

    I also would like to mention that the 991 Turbo S fulfills the EURO 6 requirements (emissions), which is very important for a manufacturer like Porsche. Keep in mind that legal restrictions imposed on car manufacturers regarding CO2 output are not something Porsche can ignore. Especially not on very powerful cars.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Gauss:

    I much prefer it over the base 991 design. I LOVE it actually. The only thing I dislike is the shape of the side air intakes.

    Not a fan of the "Schwarzenegger" look either but this is another reason I would order the car in black. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    RC:
    pxaxh:

    RC, McLaren did an engine mapping rework and were able to extract more than 25PS for the "updated" 12C, and that's not even a face-lift.
    This is a new GENERATION Turbo! what's with this small incremental power bumps?
    the updated 12C can sprint from 0-200 in 8.8 (!) seconds only and there's not much difference in price between them!
    I know it's a great car and everything and I don't think they did enough in the performance department to keep up with the competition, especially the 12C.

    The 12C did 0-200 kph in 9.8 seconds (Sport Auto Supertest) and the Nordschleife in 7:28 min (which the 991 Turbo S will beat Smiley but not by much). The 12C is almost worthless in winter time and it lacks the two back seats. So in reality, the 12C is no real competitor of the 991 Turbo S, especially since I have tons of Porsche dealers around Germany and many other countries too but I have to drive quite a distance to find a competent McLaren repair shop.

    I never considered getting a McLaren but I guess I am biased. Smiley

    Speaking of power: Porsche needs to keep something for the facelift, right? Smiley I also think that real life performance of the Turbo S will be better than the numbers at hand. I heard something of 2.7 seconds from 0-100 kph and 9.5 seconds from 0-200 kph. This is an amazing performance for a car you can drive each and every day, including winter time, so I wouldn't complaint. If someone wants more, well...faster models will come, not necessarily in the 911 range only. Smiley Porsche cannot offer a 991 Turbo S as fast as the 918, this would be suicide...for the 918.


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    Dear Christian, when will we see first road acceleration test?

    and do you think that facelift will be much faster? Is is worth waiting for facelift?))))


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    KresoF1, what are your impressions on acceleration figures?


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    The design elements convey a powerful muscularity and the rear has a voluptuousness that likely needs to be seen to be fully appreciated.  I will venture that this car will gain wide acceptance in a relatively short.time and prove very successful for Porsche.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    artur777:
    Dear Christian, when will we see first road acceleration test?

    and do you think that facelift will be much faster? Is is worth waiting for facelift?))))

    I don't know...probably not so soon.

    Facelift is always faster...this is the point of a facelift. Smiley

    If you wait for the facelift, you wait another 3 years. Good luck with that. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    RC:
    Gauss:

    I much prefer it over the base 991 design. I LOVE it actually. The only thing I dislike is the shape of the side air intakes.

    Not a fan of the "Schwarzenegger" look either but this is another reason I would order the car in black. Smiley

    Black is the most suitable colour for this car, as it hides all the design anomalies and it will look fearsome.


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    reginos:
    RC:
    Gauss:

    I much prefer it over the base 991 design. I LOVE it actually. The only thing I dislike is the shape of the side air intakes.

    Not a fan of the "Schwarzenegger" look either but this is another reason I would order the car in black. Smiley

    Black is the most suitable colour for this car, as it hides all the design anomalies and it will look fearsome.

    Smiley


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    This time i will pass away,and wait the GT3 RS...

    for me it costs too much to be a 911 Turbo(S)...ok a Gt2,but i can't understand a Turbo at 200.000 Euros(in Italy).In 3 years what you pay now 200.000 will have a resale value of less than 100.000(if all goes well),and no..is too much.

    For me Turbo and Turbo S out in the same time is not a good move for us(sure good for Porsche),it will kill the sale of the Turbo,and let Porsche gain a lot of money for a car that sells at 35.000 euro more but that costs at Porsche the same or a few bucks more.

    Today gain money is not easy,and burn them so fast is not good(at least for me).enlightened

     


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    Super Darius:

    This time i will pass away,and wait the GT3 RS...

    for me it costs too much to be a 911 Turbo(S)...ok a Gt2,but i can't understand a Turbo at 200.000 Euros(in Italy).In 3 years what you pay now 200.000 will have a resale value of less than 100.000(if all goes well),and no..is too much.

    Today gain money is not easy,and burn them so fast is not good(at least for me).enlightened

     

    I still need to figure out the technical (engine) difference between the Turbo and the Turbo S before I have an opinion on the pricing of the new Turbo S. Truth is...the Turbo S is (almost) fully loaded. I optioned a car at 205k EUR, which is a lot but considering lease cost, not so much. I may lease the car for five years but I keep my options wide open.

    Still have my heart hung up on the new GT3 but my wife is not very fond of the missing rear seats.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    RC:
    artur777:
    Dear Christian, when will we see first road acceleration test?

    and do you think that facelift will be much faster? Is is worth waiting for facelift?))))

    I don't know...probably not so soon.

    Facelift is always faster...this is the point of a facelift. Smiley

    If you wait for the facelift, you wait another 3 years. Good luck with that. 

    3 years is too much to wait:)))


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    artur777:
     

    3 years is too much to wait:)))

    The visual facelift may come earlier, the technical one not. Smiley

    So I would definitely get a Turbo S now


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