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    Autocar: The GTR rules

    From the new Autocar out today. Nissan must have a huge budget for bribing journalists.

    "And what of the GT-R? ...it destroys them (new 911 and R8), bludgeons them into submission, rips them apart, throws what's left of them into the gutter and then howls off over the next horizon. Dynamically this is as dramatic a demolition job as I have ever known among a group of supposed rivals, and that applies on all roads: wet, dry, smooth, lumpy. Wherever you drive, the GT-R rules".

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    He's a little verbally "excited", but after 4 months of watching this car do the impossible - I think all lauds are well deserved.

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    Heist said:
    He's a little verbally "excited", but after 4 months of watching this car do the impossible - I think all lauds are well deserved.



    Hear, hear.

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    AUM said:
    From the new Autocar out today. Nissan must have a huge budget for bribing journalists.

    "And what of the GT-R? ...it destroys them (new 911 and R8), bludgeons them into submission, rips them apart, throws what's left of them into the gutter and then howls off over the next horizon. Dynamically this is as dramatic a demolition job as I have ever known among a group of supposed rivals, and that applies on all roads: wet, dry, smooth, lumpy. Wherever you drive, the GT-R rules".



    I am surprised that this notoriously pro Porsche British magazine allowed one of its writers to publish that language. The writer may well be on his way out because it is blasphemy to depict the beloved Porsche as he did.

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    Nick did you order GT-R? NO??? Why? Same question is for AUM...

    BTW, in AUMs case there could be a problem since EU specs GT-Rs are delayed till late Spring 2009...

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    We all know that the GT-R is the best car in the world ever!
    This is a fact now proven by tests, videos and not merely by anecdotal evidence.

    This continuous mention of the obvious could be mistaken as an attempt to convince yourselves of something that even you cannot believe is true.

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    KresoF1 said:
    Nick did you order GT-R? NO??? Why? Same question is for AUM...

    BTW, in AUMs case there could be a problem since EU specs GT-Rs are delayed till late Spring 2009...



    I admire the GTR's groundbreaking performance and appreciate the effect this will have on other manufacturers but, as I have said previously, it is not my cup of tea and I have no plans to order one.

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    Kreso, I have yet to see one in person. also, I am told there is almost a two year wait UNLESS I am willing to pay substantially above MSRP. I have no intention of doing so.

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    OK, guys here's the full article...

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    7. I was going to post this on the 997 Board but courage failed me at the last moment...

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    Thanks for taking the time to post the review...I like Steve Sutcliffe who has been a Porsche advocate for some time.

    This can only be good for the competition. (Still wouldn't buy a GT-R )

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    This can only be good for the competition. (Still wouldn't buy a GT-R )



    Nor me, strangely enough. I guess I just like the way Porsche do things...

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    I find this "comparison" very superficial.

    These guys went for a picnic and wrote down some impressions in very general terms. Not the kind of test you expect to read in a dedicated car magazine.

    The final ranking of the three cars could very well be the same, but at least they should make an effort towards a proper test with more objective data.

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    It is true that GTR is a faster car from A to B and will win on a race track but Porsche is still a better car.

    A G-shock costing $100 will offer more functions and accurancy that not even a $200,000 Patek can match. Is Patek an inferior watch? You must be kidding. Patek is an mechanical marvel and so is Porsche.

    When you drive a Porsche, you are driving a machine that has evolved over 40 years. And they improve with each generation. Hitler believed car should be pushed from behind and 911 was borned with this engineering problem - tail happy and small engine bay.

    911 is in a clas of its own and while we can compare it to anything, one has to bear in mind its history, evolution and relentless pursuit of excellence. Just like Patek which continues to shock the horological world with its latest innovation.

    I firmly believe that Porsche has the engineering prowness to develop a new car that blow the competition away but commerical considerations dictate otherwise.

    I find the jounalists a bit simple-minded. If they dislike the pdk buttons... why dont they get a manual transmission or compare to R8 R-tronic. What so special about R8 - just an old RS4 engine put in the middle.

    I prefer Patek over G-shock anytime of the day and any day of the year.

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    If the GTRs deigners had as much passion as the engineers this car would be the pinnacle of the automobile world. I just think the design function will waiver in a few years. Performance wise its on another platform. Would I buy one, that the question. Its on my mind, but unlike, no disrespect for Nick, I wouldnt be stupid enough to pay a nickel over msrp. R8 is beautiful, Porsche is timeless.

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    Isn't Autocar is the pinnacle of poor journalism?

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    Not a good association, in fact one that Ferry took pains to dissociate his name and co. from.

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    phelipcopter said:... Hitler believed car should be pushed from behind and 911 was borned with this engineering problem - tail happy and small engine bay....



    Not a good association, in fact one that Ferry took pains to dissociate his name and co. from.



    My thoughts exactly. Who would want to lust after a Hitlerwagen?

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    I know it's old but....

    http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=T8dl4faCpJE

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    phelipcopter said:
    It is true that GTR is a faster car from A to B and will win on a race track but Porsche is still a better car.

    A G-shock costing $100 will offer more functions and accurancy that not even a $200,000 Patek can match. Is Patek an inferior watch? You must be kidding. Patek is an mechanical marvel and so is Porsche.

    When you drive a Porsche, you are driving a machine that has evolved over 40 years. And they improve with each generation. Hitler believed car should be pushed from behind and 911 was borned with this engineering problem - tail happy and small engine bay.

    911 is in a clas of its own and while we can compare it to anything, one has to bear in mind its history, evolution and relentless pursuit of excellence. Just like Patek which continues to shock the horological world with its latest innovation.

    I firmly believe that Porsche has the engineering prowness to develop a new car that blow the competition away but commerical considerations dictate otherwise.

    I find the jounalists a bit simple-minded. If they dislike the pdk buttons... why dont they get a manual transmission or compare to R8 R-tronic. What so special about R8 - just an old RS4 engine put in the middle.

    I prefer Patek over G-shock anytime of the day and any day of the year.



    Good points - but all the same, Porsche COULD if they didn't want to be the most profitable company in the world unleash a bit more power to us but they want to ensure we keep buying their cars. Personally, I first got into a Porsche when I was only about 20 (knackered 944) and have had too many Porsches! HOWEVER, the fact remains the same, Porsche will do anything for their customers AT A PRICE. Ask for a bit of leather, a different coloured stitch or something and the price is a joke! BUT, for a company that has nearly gone bust as many times as Ferrari has built a car, I can understand their mentality and paranoia.

    PS My brother lives in Singapore and refuses to buy a Porsche now because of the rip off price their. Which Porsche do you drive?

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    is the GTR already in USA?? because i live in Dominican Republic, (the island between Puerto Rico and Cuba) and i just saw a white one today in the streets.
    but that could be also because theres a lot of people with a lot of money here and theres basically no law, if you can afford to get around it, so maybe it was shipped from Japan.

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    Enmanuel said:
    is the GTR already in USA?? because i live in Dominican Republic, (the island between Puerto Rico and Cuba) and i just saw a white one today in the streets.
    but that could be also because theres a lot of people with a lot of money here and theres basically no law, if you can afford to get around it, so maybe it was shipped from Japan.



    Yes, US GT-Rs have been arriving since sometime in July, and many are in customer hands.

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    4trac said:
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    Enmanuel said:
    is the GTR already in USA?? because i live in Dominican Republic, (the island between Puerto Rico and Cuba) and i just saw a white one today in the streets.
    but that could be also because theres a lot of people with a lot of money here and theres basically no law, if you can afford to get around it, so maybe it was shipped from Japan.



    Yes, US GT-Rs have been arriving since sometime in July, and many are in customer hands.



    oh ok ... good to know. i have to say its not the case with many japan tuners that have right hand drive here and are ilegal.

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    phelipcopter said:
    It is true that GTR is a faster car from A to B and will win on a race track but Porsche is still a better car.

    A G-shock costing $100 will offer more functions and accurancy that not even a $200,000 Patek can match. Is Patek an inferior watch? You must be kidding. Patek is an mechanical marvel and so is Porsche.

    When you drive a Porsche, you are driving a machine that has evolved over 40 years. And they improve with each generation. Hitler believed car should be pushed from behind and 911 was borned with this engineering problem - tail happy and small engine bay.

    911 is in a clas of its own and while we can compare it to anything, one has to bear in mind its history, evolution and relentless pursuit of excellence. Just like Patek which continues to shock the horological world with its latest innovation.

    I firmly believe that Porsche has the engineering prowness to develop a new car that blow the competition away but commerical considerations dictate otherwise.

    I find the jounalists a bit simple-minded. If they dislike the pdk buttons... why dont they get a manual transmission or compare to R8 R-tronic. What so special about R8 - just an old RS4 engine put in the middle.

    I prefer Patek over G-shock anytime of the day and any day of the year.



    LOL, but Porsche is not even the Patek of the automotive world. Ferrari, Lamborghini and aston martin are much more desirable a brand.

    It's funny, before the GT-R, the same Casion vs Patek/Rolex argument had been used so many times before for Ferrari/Lambo vs Porsche debate, in which Ferrari/Lambo is the Patek and Porsche is the Casio (very precisely engineneered). If Porsche is as desirable as Ferrari/Lambo, we will not see anyone buying 430s or LP560s because for a fraction of the price they can get a Porsche Turbo, be it the 2-door or the truck. (more true in the US where Porsches are cheaper).

    I find this Casio vs Patek argument weak. If the GT-R is Casio, Ferrari would be the Rolex of the automotive world. Lambo/aston would be Panerai/Patek.

    LOL, let's just stick to cars. analogy to other things is not a very strong argument as they're not even apples to oranges. No one is racing Casio vs Patek because none will show time faster than the other but people are racing GT-R vs other cars.

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    Another point many people forget is that Porsche with its model strategy and product mix not only managed to survive but also have the financial ability to safeguard their future through the VW association.

    Look at the so-called competitors:

    Ferrari owned by FIAT since the 60s
    Maserati owned by FIAT after numerous owners. FIAT themselves not the healthiest of companies.
    Lamborghini owned by AUDI. Germans saving the archtypical Italian supercar; that's an irony!
    Aston Martin owned by some british entrepreneurs, the tenth owner from what I can remember, who are not solid, established players in the auto business. I don't know for how long these guys will throw money into such a bottomless pit. Dave Richards had other ill-advised investments in Formula 1, remember?
    Jaguar: Even Ford couldn't afford the Jaguar liability and had to get rid of it like a hot potato.
    Lotus: Owned by malaysians but trying to keep the Chapman legacy with a 1400kg mixed bag of a car.

    The proof of the recipe is in the eating. People choose with their own money and whatever negatives magazines write or "experts" on the www spread, the astute consumer doesn't get fooled.

    The GT-Rs and the R8s are the only real Porsche competitors and in certain areas of evaluation they are the better cars. They come from reputable, solid manufacturers but they are limited production halo models. They are good for Porsche because they raise the bar but on the other hand because they are produced in small numbers they don't hurt sales.

     
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