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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    Topspeed:

    Sleeper spec kiss

    Agreed Smiley

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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    Whoopsy:

    That car is perfect for RC 


    Nope, black wheels are missing. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    nberry:

    At some point in the future we all will be "reduced" to these cars.

    If Democrats continue to rule in the US, I am pretty certain about that. Smiley 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    Whoopsy:

    That car is perfect for RC 

    Actually, it is. Smiley

    Rossi is also certainly right, I would add black wheels to the mix.

    Unfortunately, the new 991.2 Turbo S doesn't sound a bit better than the old one, so...no thanks. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    Auto Motor und Sport Test:-

    Audi R8 vs Nissan GTR Track Edition vs Porsche 991.2 Turbo S


    Power: 610hp / 550hp / 580hp

    Hockenheim: 1.09,0 / 1.09,9 / 1.08,5

    - Porsche 918 Spyder: 1.06,3
    - Lamborghini Aventador SV: 1.07,8
    - SLS AMG BS: 1.08,2
    - Lamborghini Gallardo LP570 SC: 1.08,2
    - Corvette ZR1: 1.08,3
    - Ferrari 488 GTB: 1.08,3
    - Porsche 997 GT2 RS: 1.08,4
    - Porsche 991 GT3 RS: 1.08,5
    - Porsche Carrera GT: 1.08,6
    - Lamborghin Aventador LP700: 1.08,6
    - Porsche 991.1 Turbo S: 1.08,7
    - McLaren MP4-12C: 1.08,7
    - Corvette C7 Z06 (Z07 Pack): 1.08,7
    - Lamborghini Huracan LP610: 1.08,8
    - Porsche 991.1 Turbo: 1.09,3

    Acceleration (km/h):

    0-80: 2,2 / 2,3 / 2,1
    0-100: 2,9 / 3,2 / 2,9
    0-130: 4,3 / 4,9 / 4,4
    0-160: 6,2 / 7,2 / 6,3
    0-180: 7,6 / 9,1 / 7,9
    0-200: 9,5 / 11,3 / 9,8
    0-220: 11,7 / 14,1 / 11,9
    0-240: 14,4 / 17,6 / 14,8
    0-260: 17,8 / 22,6 / 18,4

    0-400 m: 10,7 / 11,3 / 10,7

    Braking (km/h):

    100-0 (Cold): 32,0 m / 33,2 m / 31,9 m
    130-0 (Cold | Warm): 56,3 m | 55,2 m / 55,5 m | 53,4 m / 52,7 m | 54,3 m
    190-0 (Cold): 114 m / 119 m / 117 m

    Slalom 18m (TC+ESP On|Off): 71,6 | 72,4 / 72,6 | 72,7 / 71,6 | 72,2

    Double Lane Change:  144,0 | 148,9 / 153,5 | 155,3 / 157,8 | 158,4

    Tires: Michelin PS Cup2 / Dunlop SP SMGT600 / Pirelli P Zero

    Base Price: 187,400 Eur / 111,000 Eur / 202,872 Eur

    Total Evaluation: 359 / 381 / 404

    Placement: 3rd / 2nd / 1st


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    108.5 at Hockenheim on street tires is very quick (same as 991RS on Cups)...


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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    991.2 TTS is slower than Audi R8 in terms of acceleration...

    what a dissapointment.........................


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    artur777:

    991.2 TTS is slower than Audi R8 in terms of acceleration...

    what a dissapointment.........................

    The Audi has 30 hp more...

    Anyway, do not compare the Auto, Motor und Sport times with other car magazines because AutoBILD Sportscars or Auto Zeitung usually achieve better times than AMS for whatever reasons (AMS uses some highly standardized test method, maybe this is the reason...Smiley​).
    Also, I heard that the Turbo S test car did 0-300 kph in around 29 seconds, so the car may not have been fully run in or whatever. Usually, there isn't really a difference between the new R8 and the new TTS.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    And aren't Audi's Michelin PS Cup2 tires better than Porsche's Pirelli P Zero? Even with that, Turbo S was faster around track kiss


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    RC:
    artur777:

    991.2 TTS is slower than Audi R8 in terms of acceleration...

    what a dissapointment.........................

    The Audi has 30 hp more...

    Anyway, do not compare the Auto, Motor und Sport times with other car magazines because AutoBILD Sportscars or Auto Zeitung usually achieve better times than AMS for whatever reasons (AMS uses some highly standardized test method, maybe this is the reason...Smiley​).
    Also, I heard that the Turbo S test car did 0-300 kph in around 29 seconds, so the car may not have been fully run in or whatever. Usually, there isn't really a difference between the new R8 and the new TTS.


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    What is the expected 0-300 time for 991.2 TTS?

    and 0-200?


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    I heard that pre-production test cars did 0-300 kph in under 26 seconds (25.x, something like that). I expect a time of at least 28 seconds or less from 0-300 kph. Maybe AutoBILD will post a 0-300 kph time, they sometimes do.

    Most pre-production cars did 0-200 kph in under the factory claim (9.9 seconds) but none under 9.5 seconds, so the AMS time would be just right.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    seems like the new turbo S is good for everything - same track time as RS, easy and comfortable to drive daily, 4WD for all weather capability.

    somehow I never feel like I will ever buy one as their depreciation is bad in the long run.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    Targa Tim:

    seems like the new turbo S is good for everything - same track time as RS, easy and comfortable to drive daily, 4WD for all weather capability.

    somehow I never feel like I will ever buy one as their depreciation is bad in the long run.

    Best to buy after probably year 2 when they are back at the prices they were when the 997 was out. You can find 2014 TTS for $130K in the US nowadays.


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    RC:

    I heard that pre-production test cars did 0-300 kph in under 26 seconds (25.x, something like that). I expect a time of at least 28 seconds or less from 0-300 kph. Maybe AutoBILD will post a 0-300 kph time, they sometimes do.

    Most pre-production cars did 0-200 kph in under the factory claim (9.9 seconds) but none under 9.5 seconds, so the AMS time would be just right.

    The Huracan/R8 is a 29.x 0-300 car and it's faster than the Turbo S all the way to 260km/h according to this test. So in the end all those naive fantasies for the Turbo S slashing 4 seconds from it's 0-300 time by just getting 20 more hp and some "magic" with the way it breathes will meet the simple reality of physics as described a few months ago. It is a 29.X car...Which of course doesn't stop me from enjoying it every day.


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    Herbaliser:
    RC:

    I heard that pre-production test cars did 0-300 kph in under 26 seconds (25.x, something like that). I expect a time of at least 28 seconds or less from 0-300 kph. Maybe AutoBILD will post a 0-300 kph time, they sometimes do.

    Most pre-production cars did 0-200 kph in under the factory claim (9.9 seconds) but none under 9.5 seconds, so the AMS time would be just right.

    The Huracan/R8 is a 29.x 0-300 car and it's faster than the Turbo S all the way to 260km/h according to this test. So in the end all those naive fantasies for the Turbo S slashing 4 seconds from it's 0-300 time by just getting 20 more hp and some "magic" with the way it breathes will meet the simple reality of physics as described a few months ago. It is a 29.X car...Which of course doesn't stop me from enjoying it every day.

    What he said. Lighter cars with more power aren't 25s, so I don't see why a TTS would improve so much. It just doesn't have enough power, and that's what you need at those high speeds.


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    AZ Test: Audi R8 V10 Plus vs Porsche 991.2 Turbo

    Acceleration:

    0-100: 3,0 vs 2,9
    0-120: 3,9 vs 3,8
    0-140: 5,0 vs 5,0
    0-160: 6,2 vs 6,3
    0-180: 7,6 vs 8,0
    0-200: 9,4 vs 9,7

    Lap Time: 1:33,2 vs 1:31,7

    Slalom 18m: 70,0 km/h vs 73,1 km/h

    Braking (Both equipped with Carbon Ceramic):

    100-0 (Cold): 32,2 m vs 32,7 m
    100-0 (Warm): 31,7 m vs 30,8 m

    Weight: 1,655 kg / 1,610 kg

    Tire: Pirelli P Zero (R01) vs Pirelli P Zero (N1)



    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    Audi R8 is faster and cheaper,,, very bad for 991.2 Turbo,,, not good


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    Hmm? The TTS was like 2s quicker on the track. R8 was only slightly quicker in the straights.


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    That's a TT, not a TTS.


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    artur777:

    Audi R8 is faster and cheaper,,, very bad for 991.2 Turbo,,, not good

    Please enlight me... R8 V10 Plus is not cheaper then 991.2 Turbo and is barely faster in straight line with 70ps more...


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    KresoF1:
    artur777:

    Audi R8 is faster and cheaper,,, very bad for 991.2 Turbo,,, not good

    Please enlight me... R8 V10 Plus is not cheaper then 991.2 Turbo and is barely faster in straight line with 70ps more...

    Choice may be: 1. Preference for NA sound and linearity, vs bigturbo, and 2. Preference for rear seats, vs none. (OK some may have core brand preference too...) 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    I am impressed on the Slalom handling - so much about mid-engined cars.... - very impressiv for the "base" turbo


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    BjoernB:

    I am impressed on the Slalom handling - so much about mid-engined cars.... - very impressiv for the "base" turbo

    And the lap time difference is... huge... Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    4trac:
    KresoF1:
    artur777:

    Audi R8 is faster and cheaper,,, very bad for 991.2 Turbo,,, not good

    Please enlight me... R8 V10 Plus is not cheaper then 991.2 Turbo and is barely faster in straight line with 70ps more...

    Choice may be: 1. Preference for NA sound and linearity, vs bigturbo, and 2. Preference for rear seats, vs none. (OK some may have core brand preference too...) 

    Dear KresoF1, in AMS test 991.2 TTS is even slower than 991.2 TT in this test: 9.8 vs 9.7 secs for 0-200. Very

    strange for me. How is that possible?

    fore


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    AZ always get better results. They measure with one person in the car. AMS measures with two persons.

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    About the AZ getting better results....the R8 times in both tests are almost identical. The funny thing is the TT and TTS times are almost identical too. Maybe the TTS wasn't in good condition...who knows. That's 40hp difference between the 2 P cars after all.

    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    ...which is less than 8% difference in power for an identical car which is driven on it's physical limit. It is not surprising the times are almost identical. They should be indecision


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    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    war_hawk:

    About the AZ getting better results....the R8 times in both tests are almost identical. The funny thing is the TT and TTS times are almost identical too. Maybe the TTS wasn't in good condition...who knows. That's 40hp difference between the 2 P cars after all.

    First test with 2 (Driver + Passenger) onboard  and Michelin PS Cup 2.

    Second test with 1 (Driver only) onboard and Pirelli P Zero.

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    war_hawk:
    About the AZ getting better results....the R8 times in both tests are almost identical. The funny thing is the TT and TTS times are almost identical too. Maybe the TTS wasn't in good condition...who knows. That's 40hp difference between the 2 P cars after all.

    Tests are unaccurate. Lets wait for Super Test


    Re: OFFICIAL: new 991.2 Turbo and Turbo S

    All of you have probably watched this one -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMzhRtYxh3Q  

    Maybe this one too ->  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RJenKlCfD0

    isn't the 991.2 TTS supposed to be faster than the 991.1 TTS? Factory claims are 0.4 seconds faster to 200kph in favor of the 991.2 TTS


     
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