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    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    seriously impressive !


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    OK, I'll bite.  What's a "potted water pump" in the cooling system?


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    918 Spyder + 991 GT3 RS +Tesla Roadster 1.5 & Model S + Panamera Turbo +  BMW Z8 + BMW 3.0 CSi + Bentley Arnage T


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    BiTurbo:

     

    Interesting that the PCCB brakes on this car are even bigger than on 918 and GT cars - both larger diameter and thicker.  Wonder if this is necessary with regen braking.  Maybe 991.2 GT cars get these also?  Is it possible that the cost for these is going to be even higher?  Current ones around $20k for 4 rotors...

    Just noticed 10-piston calipers too! angel


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    I think they need a "regular" S with 600 bhp....


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    996FourEss:

    I think they need a "regular" S with 600 bhp....

    What for? The normal Turbo already has enough power. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    RC:
    996FourEss:

    I think they need a "regular" S with 600 bhp....

    What for? The normal Turbo already has enough power. Smiley

    It's definitely not enough in this league. 600 is the new 500 :) With a 400kg penalty I am not interested at all in the Turbo S Hybrid and yet I would like a saloon with maximum performance. 


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    Porsche went a different approach for various (marketing) reasons I've been told. 

    I agree, the Turbo S should have at least 800 hp with this kind of weight but apparently Porsche thought that this is the way to go and I hope they are right. yes


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    RC:

    Porsche went a different approach for various (marketing) reasons I've been told. 

    I agree, the Turbo S should have at least 800 hp with this kind of weight but apparently Porsche thought that this is the way to go and I hope they are right. yes

    They can always add more power for the facelift if necessary...


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    No breathtaking figures as some rumours hinted at first. Plus way too heavy. Not the most beautiful design to my eyes either.

    Impressive car though. For sure it shall be much more appealing with the Sport Turismo body and hybridation is the way to go for the high-end performance cars once the weight issue is solved. So well done Porsche despite the conservative numbers.


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    The really bothering fact about the extra weight is that it only gives you 50km autonomy and 130hp, for 300kg... Not worth it on paper.


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    In this USA-market TV show, Porsche execs can be heard saying that Panamera Gen I hybrid was optimized for economy.  After the 918, they changed their view for Panamera Gen II hybrid to be highest performance with good fuel economy.  Here at around 24:30    https://youtu.be/WuwT2AmV2S0


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    Mike

     

    918 Spyder + 991 GT3 RS +Tesla Roadster 1.5 & Model S + Panamera Turbo +  BMW Z8 + BMW 3.0 CSi + Bentley Arnage T


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    W8MM:

    In this USA-market TV show, Porsche execs can be heard saying that Panamera Gen I hybrid was optimized for economy.  After the 918, they changed their view for Panamera Gen II to be highest performance with good fuel economy.  Here at around 24:30    https://youtu.be/WuwT2AmV2S0


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    Mike

     

    918 Spyder + 991 GT3 RS +Tesla Roadster 1.5 & Model S + Panamera Turbo +  BMW Z8 + BMW 3.0 CSi + Bentley Arnage T

    This video clearly shows why the Turbo S became what it became...many of us aren't probably their target audience.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    RC:

    This video clearly shows why the Turbo S became what it became...many of us aren't probably their target audience.

    Well, ...it pushes all of my buttons Smiley


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    Mike

    918 Spyder + 991 GT3 RS +Tesla Roadster 1.5 & Model S + Panamera Turbo +  BMW Z8 + BMW 3.0 CSi + Bentley Arnage T


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    W8MM:
    RC:

    This video clearly shows why the Turbo S became what it became...many of us aren't probably their target audience.

    Well, ...it pushes all of my buttons Smiley

    Mine as well...but I wouldn't get it as my only car. Similar to the Tesla S P100D (love it but only as a third or fourth car).


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    Would much rather get this that this new monster Panamera:

     

    https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/bentayga-mulliner-when-a-229000-bentley-isnt-enough/#ftag=CAD590a51e


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    RC:
    996FourEss:

    I think they need a "regular" S with 600 bhp....

    What for? The normal Turbo already has enough power. Smiley

    This brings an interesting question: Is the Turbo S really worth it over the regular Turbo?


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    Ziggy:
    RC:
    996FourEss:

    I think they need a "regular" S with 600 bhp....

    What for? The normal Turbo already has enough power. Smiley

    This brings an interesting question: Is the Turbo S really worth it over the regular Turbo?

    For me?  Absolutely!!


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    Mike

    918 Spyder + 991 GT3 RS +Tesla Roadster 1.5 & Model S + Panamera Turbo +  BMW Z8 + BMW 3.0 CSi + Bentley Arnage T


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    For me? Also.

    Regular Turbo S is only like 30HP over a Turbo no matter it's a 911, Cayenne or Panamera. This time the difference is 130HP!!!

    No brainer.


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    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    Whoopsy:

    For me? Also.

    Regular Turbo S is only like 30HP over a Turbo no matter it's a 911, Cayenne or Panamera. This time the difference is 130HP!!!

    No brainer.

    On the other hand the weight difference between Turbo S and Turbo, no matter 911, Cayenne or Panamera, is not 315 kg either. 


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    Whoopsy:

    For me? Also.

    Regular Turbo S is only like 30HP over a Turbo no matter it's a 911, Cayenne or Panamera. This time the difference is 130HP!!!

    No brainer.

    I'm with you in this, although that 130 hp advantage is seriously diluted by that 315kg.


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    absent:
    Whoopsy:

    For me? Also.

    Regular Turbo S is only like 30HP over a Turbo no matter it's a 911, Cayenne or Panamera. This time the difference is 130HP!!!

    No brainer.

    I'm with you in this, although that 130 hp advantage is seriously diluted by that 315kg.

    But you're overlooking the extra 400 newton-meters at a lowly 100 UPM!  

    "People want horsepower but they buy torque." - famous quotation from yesteryear 


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    Mike

    918 Spyder + 991 GT3 RS +Tesla Roadster 1.5 & Model S + Panamera Turbo +  BMW Z8 + BMW 3.0 CSi + Bentley Arnage T


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    Ziggy:
    Whoopsy:

    For me? Also.

    Regular Turbo S is only like 30HP over a Turbo no matter it's a 911, Cayenne or Panamera. This time the difference is 130HP!!!

    No brainer.

    On the other hand the weight difference between Turbo S and Turbo, no matter 911, Cayenne or Panamera, is not 315 kg either. 

     

    Casual people paid too much attention to weight. 

    After the 918, I will not be so quick to do judgement simply based on specs on paper.


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    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    Grant:
    RC:

    Porsche went a different approach for various (marketing) reasons I've been told. 

    I agree, the Turbo S should have at least 800 hp with this kind of weight but apparently Porsche thought that this is the way to go and I hope they are right. yes

    They can always add more power for the facelift if necessary...

    +20hp? Smiley


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    Whoopsy:
    Ziggy:
    Whoopsy:

    For me? Also.

    Regular Turbo S is only like 30HP over a Turbo no matter it's a 911, Cayenne or Panamera. This time the difference is 130HP!!!

    No brainer.

    On the other hand the weight difference between Turbo S and Turbo, no matter 911, Cayenne or Panamera, is not 315 kg either. 

     

    Casual people paid too much attention to weight. 

    After the 918, I will not be so quick to do judgement simply based on specs on paper.

    I agree with you on that.


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    Weight isn't always a bad thing. I remember my former Panamera Turbo S, what a car, so much fun for such a heavy monster but just not my thing. The new one certainly upped the game, no doubt about it.


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    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hevwnhQrZ0

     


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    Autoweek Review..

    http://autoweek.com/article/car-reviews/2018-porsche-panamera-turbo-s-e-hybrid-review-all-power-all-money


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    5100 lbs. Might as well just go full EV at that point.

    Nice car, but it's a pretty big stretch at $200K.


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    Wonderbar:

    Autoweek Review..

    http://autoweek.com/article/car-reviews/2018-porsche-panamera-turbo-s-e-hybrid-review-all-power-all-money

     

    Strange "review". No mention about the hybrid integration and how that works. Nowadays motor journalists are all too positive in their reviews. But I can't blame them, because they get paid flight tickets by Porsche to come and test drive their cars with all inclusive hospitality. So to secure a spot for next launch party the reviewer can't be all that objective after all Smiley


    Re: Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid - Most powerful Panamera (2017)

    Agree that it's heavy and expensive, and will be improved way beyond this first Porsche foray into the luxury performance e-hybrid market.  But it is fast, really fast, especially coming out of corners where even the expert in the leading 911 Turbo S cannot keep up.  And for folks who have oodles of dough, 200K is economy super car range.  

    I want it...


     
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