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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Herbaliser:

    At 200K EUR it actually looks like a better deal then the Turbo S. Let's not forget that it's a Lamborghini - still an exotic brand, not a 200 000 cars per year producer (incl. Macan), mostly diesels. The Huracan will surely be faster then the Turbo S after 200 km/h. I remember reading that the M6 competition package is also faster then it!

    As much as I love Porsche, I don't like the idea of paying 200K+ EUR for a car from the same brand that makes the 4 cylinder diesel Macan, soon to be driven by every housewife in the neighbourhood. At the same time the 991 Turbo S is not the undisputed leader in performance as the 997 used to be...

    nonsense


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    sulaiman:

    @herbaliser 

     

    if what u r saying is valid then why should any 1 buy an exotic car from the same company that made tractors ??? 

    at least you don't see the lambo tractors on the road by the dozens every day, contrary to panameras, cayennes and soon macans....::::))))


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    so ur only problem with this thing called porsche is that  a lot of ppl  using it ? 

    if thats it, then u  have a lot of problems  i can name few 

     

    1 food 

    2 water 

    3 air 

    the list is long 

     

    :)))))))))))))


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    my new DD car ...Untitled.png im going to opt for  TCCB 

    TCCB= tractorCeramic composites 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    IMO the Huracan doesn't have to beat the Turbo S in the market place to succeed. Different horses for different courses. Comparing the Lamborghini and the Porsche is an irrelevance.

    The real test is if the Huracan can beat the 458 (that defines the segment) in terms of figures and appeal. This is the measure of its success.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    sulaiman:

    @herbaliser 

     

    if what u r saying is valid then why should any 1 buy an exotic car from the same company that made tractors ??? 

     The agricultural past of Lamborghini is the least concern I'd have about the Huracan. Unless it has significantly more interior space then the Gallardo, it will be useless for someone with my height (1.87m). The potentially harsh suspension and the lack of service center in our country are other problems for me.

    It is very probable that I'll end up getting the Turbo S cabriolet in GT Silver and black-red interior :) But it's not going to be with the same desire as it was with the 997TT Cab back in the days...


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    let me know when u get in the pilot seat of the 991 TTS  then we will see if you will change ur mind  :) 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    sulaiman:

    let me know when u get in the pilot seat of the 991 TTS  then we will see if you will change ur mind  :) 

    Will do very soon...Plus I wouldn't have to change the posters in my office :) 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    kiss


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    sulaiman:

    my new DD car ...Untitled.png im going to opt for  TCCB 

    TCCB= tractorCeramic composites

    certainly full of road presence.....::::)))


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    I will say this and probably be fryed here by Porsche fans.

    201500€ Huracan German price is very good offer and according to provisional price list that I got you can add some minor options and end with 206K € Huracan or get 203K € 991 Turbo S.

    Porsche milking price politics is clear as a sky with 991 Turbo/Turbo S pricing-both cars are overpriced.

    Yes, overpriced. New R8 with more ps then 991 Turbo S will be full options actually cheaper then Turbo S.

    I still love 991 Turbo S, but that doesn't stop me to say it loud what I think about its price.

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    its not the same for me  my TTS cost me  143k Euro 

    basic 991 TTS will cost  138k Euro 

    so i will leave this  discussion  about price comparison  to other guys who deal with EUROS :) 

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    sulaiman:

    its not the same for me  my TTS cost me  143k Euro 

    basic 991 TTS will cost  138k Euro 

    so i will leave this  discussion  about price comparison  to other guys who deal with EUROS :) 

     

    If your Turbo S was the same price as the new Lamborghini, would you still choose it? Would you be lured by the Lamborghini extravagance and rarity or still choose the stealth power of the Porsche?

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    sulaiman:

    my new DD car ...Untitled.png im going to opt for  TCCB 

    TCCB= tractorCeramic composites

    I think you need a lift kit on that. It would look much better with larger wheels.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    100% sure i will go with the TTS porsche 

    dont know how to say that in a nice way .. but i will just say it ... i hate cars that look like spaceship 

    my taste of cars 

    911Smiley

    BMW Z8 Smiley

    r8 spider only Smiley

    SLS AMG Smiley

    thats the modern cars that i like ...  classic has a longer list 

     

     

     

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    KresoF1:

    I will say this and probably be fryed here by Porsche fans.

    201500€ Huracan German price is very good offer and according to provisional price list that I got you can add some minor options and end with 206K € Huracan or get 203K € 991 Turbo S.

    Porsche milking price politics is clear as a sky with 991 Turbo/Turbo S pricing-both cars are overpriced.

    Yes, overpriced. New R8 with more ps then 991 Turbo S will be full options actually cheaper then Turbo S.

    I still love 991 Turbo S, but that doesn't stop me to say it loud what I think about its price.

     

    Could not agree more. I would still choose the 991TT over the R8 or Huracan, but only because of a matter of personal preference in sportscars, not because its a superior sportscar and deserves to be less bang for buck. So I fully agree with you.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Kreso and Carlos, a few questions:

    1.  If 991TTS is equal to or even better (or slightly worse) performing than the Huracan, why is it overpriced?  Could you not say the Huracan is overpriced if 991TTS has virtually the same performance for less money?

    Seems to me that cars at this extreme level of performance understandably cost about the same...


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Wonderbar:

    Kreso and Carlos, a few questions:

    1.  If 991TTS is equal to or even better (or slightly worse) performing than the Huracan, why is it overpriced?  Could you not say the Huracan is overpriced if 991TTS has virtually the same performance for less money?

    Seems to me that cars at this extreme level of performance understandably cost about the same...

    In 8 weeks time when the GT3 RS launches with better performance figures than both the TTS and Hurricane, and it costs less, what will be the consensus then?

    These 3 cars are all aimed at different customers? Just a thought...

    1. I would buy the Lambo if I wanted to look good. 

    2. I would buy the Turbo if I wanted a GT cruiser. 

    3. I would buy the RS if I wanted the purest driving experience currently available. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    boytronic:

    These 3 cars are all aimed at different customers? Just a thought...

    1. I would buy the Lambo if I wanted to look good. 

    2. I would buy the Turbo if I wanted a GT cruiser. 

    3. I would buy the RS if I wanted the purest driving experience currently available. 

    Sums it up pretty well Smiley My thought too.


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    2005 987.1 Boxster S | Arctic Silver | Manual | OZ Ultraleggera | H&R Cup Suspension | H&R Roll Bars | Sachs Racing Clutch | Recaro Shells
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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    andyFE:
    RC:
    andyFE:

    the turbo S is 195K euro. VW-Audi charges 6K euro less than for the huracan, taking into account the ....hmmmm ......form factor:::))) but maybe they should charge more as a stealth bonusSmiley 27

    You still don't seem to understand who buys a 991 Turbo S. You will never ever see a German business owner drive to his business in a Huracan but you will see many business owners drive a 991 Turbo S to work. I am talking large(r) industry/etc. of course, not small businesses like mine. A Lamborghini would be very inappropriate, this is the "social culture" here, you need to understand this. Porsche knows this and this isn't valid only for Germany.

    Just imagine a French factory owner driving to work in a Huracan. Just look at the Goodyear "situation" yesterday and you get a picture about the feelings of many employees working in Europe.

    As to the price tag, I'm still not convinced that it is correct. Unless of course Lamborghini plans to offer an entry level version along the way. Over 200k EUR for the entry level Lamborghini? They are courageous. Also keep in mind that the 991 Turbo S actually always costs around 205-210k EUR because every customer adds some options. So it would actually not make a big difference, price-wise. Which of course could be a problem for Porsche, especially looking at the 50 hp power gap and the lighter weight of the Huracan. Still...as far as I heard, the Huracan will not really outrun the Turbo S in real life driving situations. There was a big meeting within the VW Group a couple of months ago where the leadership of VW Group and their companies test-drove all cars in comparison. The Turbo S got the most scores, with one exception: The interior look and feel. Not luxurious/high end enough. This will change with the next generation. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Porsche Boxster S (981), BMW X3 35d (2013)

    the presentation of the huracan at lambo munich is next week wednesday at the starnberger see. you can doublecheck the price with them. i repeat it includes PDK (or whatever lambo calls it), carbon ceramic brakes and maybe (unconfirmed) front lift. 

    outrageous price? yes probably. on the other hand it is more or less what the F458 costs and you get a very special car for it. i find the price of the turbo S much more outrageous. 


    201.500 including PDK and inclucing CCM brakes (this is a first for the small Lamborghini!) is very competitive IMO. At this price it costs basically the same as the 458 Italia. Newer car, V10, more power, AWD, great design, I think Lamborghini has a winner here. Smiley

    Doesn't surprise me that the Huracan is said to be sold out this year. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    KresoF1:

    I will say this and probably be fryed here by Porsche fans.

    201500€ Huracan German price is very good offer and according to provisional price list that I got you can add some minor options and end with 206K € Huracan or get 203K € 991 Turbo S.

    Porsche milking price politics is clear as a sky with 991 Turbo/Turbo S pricing-both cars are overpriced.

    Yes, overpriced. New R8 with more ps then 991 Turbo S will be full options actually cheaper then Turbo S.

    I still love 991 Turbo S, but that doesn't stop me to say it loud what I think about its price.


    Very well said, Kreso, perfect summary, I absolutely agree with you. 

    Huracan seems to be a very good offer, this car will be a massive success for Lamborghini. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Huracan is very attractive

    991 tts is too overpriced. 

    I will go with huracan , guys

    sorry


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    IMO, the Huracan is surely an interesting proposition BUT...I wouldn't see myself doing 30,000km per year in one or driving it to the supermarket, parking it on the road in random cities across Europe....etc...etc.

    In the Turbo I would do all these things and in fact plan on doing so (as I did with my previous 911s). The beauty of the 911 Turbo is that you can use it like a normal car.

    I have tried to use a Ferrari 599 daily (70,000km in 3 years) and I wouldn't use such a car in that way again. Too much stress.

    I like the Turbo's relative understatement.

    It is not hard to see the Huracan's appeal, but for me the Turbo pushes all the right buttons and the Huracan is a bit too much of a "toy car" for my personal tastes.

    Ultimately, I think it boils down to a matter of taste and on how one plans to use the car.

    The 911 Turbo concept always had its followers and always will. I happen to be one of them.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Quote from Autoweek is apt here:  "True to Lamborghini tradition, the Huracan flaunts a highly extravagant appearance…"


    Each to his own.  The 991TTS styling is still too "991 with add-ons" to be perfect to me, but Huracan is too "highly extravagant" as described above.  

    And these cars really don't compete with each other for the same clientele.  It's a matter of personal taste and functionality...


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Guess the GT3 RS will debut in Geneva in March...

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    andyFE:
    sulaiman:

    @herbaliser 


    if what u r saying is valid then why should any 1 buy an exotic car from the same company that made tractors ??? 

    at least you don't see the lambo tractors on the road by the dozens every day, contrary to panameras, cayennes and soon macans....::::))))

    I see more Fiats on the road every day than Porsches Smiley Smiley (Couldn't resist... Sorry Smiley)

    On a more serious note... I think comparing the Huracán or the 458 with the 991 TTS is not even relevant... Completely different animals, all with their own appeal. The Italians are very good cars and are nice on a poster. The Porsche is, besides that, also nice to drive on a daily base. (Just my own opinion and taste of course... Don't want to offend anyone and yes... i know you can also drive a 458 on a daily base, but I personally wouldn't even think about it).


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    SuzyF:
    andyFE:
    sulaiman:

    @herbaliser 

     

    if what u r saying is valid then why should any 1 buy an exotic car from the same company that made tractors ??? 

    at least you don't see the lambo tractors on the road by the dozens every day, contrary to panameras, cayennes and soon macans....::::))))

    I see more Fiats on the road every day than Porsches Smiley Smiley (Couldn't resist... Sorry Smiley)

    On a more serious note... I think comparing the Huracán or the 458 with the 991 TTS is not even relevant... Completely different animals, all with their own appeal. The Italians are very good cars and are nice on a poster. The Porsche is, besides that, also nice to drive on a daily base. (Just my own opinion and taste of course... Don't want to offend anyone and yes... i know you can also drive a 458 on a daily base, but I personally wouldn't even think about it).

     i just don't get the notion that the uglier the better DD.Smiley 22


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    FlatSix911:

    IMO, the Huracan is surely an interesting proposition BUT...I wouldn't see myself doing 30,000km per year in one or driving it to the supermarket, parking it on the road in random cities across Europe....etc...etc.

    In the Turbo I would do all these things and in fact plan on doing so (as I did with my previous 911s). The beauty of the 911 Turbo is that you can use it like a normal car.

    I have tried to use a Ferrari 599 daily (70,000km in 3 years) and I wouldn't use such a car in that way again. Too much stress.

    I like the Turbo's relative understatement.

    It is not hard to see the Huracan's appeal, but for me the Turbo pushes all the right buttons and the Huracan is a bit too much of a "toy car" for my personal tastes.

    Ultimately, I think it boils down to a matter of taste and on how one plans to use the car.

    The 911 Turbo concept always had its followers and always will. I happen to be one of them.

    You are 100% right!


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Just picked it up tonight!  I'm trying very hard to break it in properly, but it is very hard to resist the temptation!  I'm trying though.  Just a couple of quick pics at the dealership with my phone.  GT Silver w/ 20" Sport Classic Rims in Black.1389244609064photo 1.JPG1389244620293photo 2.JPG1389244632228photo 3.JPG


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Could you please post more closeup pictures of the wheels in natural light?


     
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