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    Audi R8 FL

    Just a comment-it is far, far more then a facelift. R8 V10 Plus is according to my source as fast as previous R8 GT on the Ring(maybe even marginally faster!). Sinc the prices are more then OK IMO I will go for R8 V10 Plus.

    R8 v10 Plus

    http://www.netcarshow.com/audi/2013-r8_v10_plus/

    R8 V10

    http://www.netcarshow.com/audi/2013-r8_v10/

    http://www.netcarshow.com/audi/2013-r8/


    Re: Audi R8 FL

    Should be a really great car. While I don't see it as very desirable for those who already have one, if someone is in the market for a new R8, it's really a nice upgrade over the previous model. Glad I never bought a GT hahaha.

    Kind of interesting that they went back to 3 slats on the front/rear air inlets. I think it's not a bad idea either being that it kind of keeps old V8's from getting an entirely dated feeling. It's kind of a mix of V8 and V10, with some new stuff.


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    I like the R8 very much. A true tour de force from a basically mainstream manufacturer of middle class saloons.kiss

    With a new DCT it will be even better and faster. The Rtronic is not up to standard.

    I hope they abolish the "blade"when the totally new model comes. The Spyder with the more normal intake looks much better.


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    The revised rear treatment with the large round exhaust pipes looks very nice and purposeful. The performance of the new V10 Plus puts it in the exotic class and I'm sure it will be one of the fastest in the real world.

    I'd like an option with an "invisible" engine under a metal cover for the Coupe, for us people that like to keep a lower profile.

     


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    Re: Audi R8 FL

    Thanks for posting, Kreso! What other essential changes, apart from the 7-speed S-tronic will appear in the updated model? Just asking how much better it will be compared to the current car.


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    Uprated suspension, uprated brakes. New exhaust system. Best thing is that versions equiped with S tronic are actually lighter then previous versions with manual transmission(V10 versions). New S tronic is on its own pretty impressive piece of technology since it is lighter and can cope with higher torque numbers then PDK in 991 models.

    Kudos to Audi/quattro Gmbh for my side-they did an amazing job with updated R8.

    If you want a new sports car with DCT, hydraulic servo steering, true hand brake and awd you can only get it with updated R8.


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    Do you know who manufactures the S-tronic?

    The brake disks are what Audi call "wave" design. They are not round and they save 2kgs in unsprung weight overall. Similar concept to some motorcycle brakes.

    I too appreciate what Audi are doing with the R8, a company that could be more than content selling thousands of TDIs to families and businesses and don't bother about such a performance machine.


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    On the street, the R8 has more presence and impact than a Ferrari or Lambo. It is a stunning looking car. 


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    It seems that S tronic is sourced from Graziano. Same gearbox will be used in totally new R8/Gallardo platform.


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    nberry:

    On the street, the R8 has more presence and impact than a Ferrari or Lambo. It is a stunning looking car. 

    Nick, I almost fully agree with you. R8 design is truly amazing. Car was introduced in late 2006 and updated model now in 2012 looks almost the same. It is the case when original design is done right. With R8 Audi was able to achieve Iconic design status.  Good thing is that Audi focused more on upgrading/updating technical solutions on R8 then to mess up with its original design.


    Re: Audi R8 FL

    If I were interested in mid-engined super sportscar, I wouldn't look elsewhere especially now with the 550PS V10 Plus.  Audi quality and engineering integrity count a lot for me, as does "made in Germany". The fact that I would have saved a lot of money and hassle, compared to rival cars, would be an additional bonus.


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    Re: Audi R8 FL

    Kreso F1,

    what is expected 0-200 time for Audi R8 V10 Plus?


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    Offical 0-200km/h for R8 V10 plus with S tronic is 11.3s, for comparison Mercedes Benz SLS AMG GT official 0-200km/h is 11.2s


    Re: Audi R8 FL

    The Italia was 10.4s in a AMS test. The McLaren under 10, if I remember well.


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    nberry:

    On the street, the R8 has more presence and impact than a Ferrari or Lambo. It is a stunning looking car. 

    I think you should think again Nick. Even F430 has more presence than R8. I like the R8 since day 1 and it is the best everyday exotic car. But when you compare it against LP-560 and a Ferrari (430 or 458 doesn't matter) it lacks that special feeling and road presence. 


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    Re: Audi R8 FL

    I don't think someone who really likes what the R8 has to offer would prefer a Ferrari and OTOH I don't think that anyone who loves Ferrari would even consider the R8 for a moment.

    Appearance wise it is a matter of personal taste. For me it is the four rings for others the prancing horse.

    I just wish that Audi had not imitated the "engine vitrine" of Ferrari because really it is not their style. It could have been optional for some more ostentation-prone markets.


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    reginos:

    The Italia was 10.4s in a AMS test. 


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    And that was one of the worst figures for the Italia. In Italian mags it was in the mid-high 9s and Autozeiteung's time was a flat 10 seconds. Smiley


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    Re: Audi R8 FL

    I have not driven the car so you may be right. But every time I see it on a street I cannot take my eyes off of it. It is low to the ground with stylistic perfect proportions which convey a dramatic visual experience. It is a very beautiful car.

    I don't mean to take anything away from Ferrari and Lambo but the R8 has a road footprint which is hard to beat. 

     


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    Re: Audi R8 FL

    Probably this Facelift R8 v10 will miss the numbers as the previus one

    sport Auto 0-200 numbers for r8 V10 13.1 sec and for the Gt 12.5 secs ( if i remember well)

    Nothing Special and far below competition


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    And that was one of the worst figures for the Italia. In Italian mags it was in the mid-high 9s and Autozeiteung's time was a flat 10 seconds. Smiley

    Sport Auto 10.6 secs....


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    Dario:

    And that was one of the worst figures for the Italia. In Italian mags it was in the mid-high 9s and Autozeiteung's time was a flat 10 seconds. Smiley

    Sport Auto 10.6 secs....

    That must have been the worst. Then again, you always expect that from Sportauto. Smiley

    Anyway, I like the R8, a friendly Gallardo if you will. Not in the Italia league of course, but still very fast. A more every-day supercar and not as ubiquitous and restraint as a 911.   


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    Interesting. Not faster than 911 Turbo S PDK... New Turbo will be even faster. How will R8 compete to Porsche??


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    reginos:

    I just wish that Audi had not imitated the "engine vitrine" of Ferrari because really it is not their style. It could have been optional for some more ostentation-prone markets.

    "Form follows function"

    I think R8 V10 commercial in Maranello, alone, shows Audi inferiority against Ferrari..

    I have driven both R8 V8 (on road and track) and V10 (on track). I also drove F430 (on track). In terms of driver excitement and sportiveness there is no comparison between Ferrari and Audi. Even the old generation F430 was much enjoyable to drive. When it comes to driving dynamics, R8 is talented and well behaved but soulless.

    I'm curious how much of this has changed with the FL.


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    reginos:

    The Italia was 10.4s in a AMS test. The McLaren under 10, if I remember well.


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    Ferrari 458 is about 50K € in Germany more then R8 V10 plus with same equipment, MP4-12C is even more expensive. SLS AMG GT is 30K € more in Germany then R8 V10 plus.

    R8 is not aimed against 458, MP4-12C, SLS AMG or so. It is position on the market one step below them.

    BTW, regarding 0-200km/h straight line acceleration. Even 458 did not met Ferrari factory claims in most German mags(SA).

    I am not so sure that R8 V10 plus with S tronic wont achieve 11.3s for 0-200km/h, IMHO it will even slightly beat this number in forthcoming tests. A fact that R8 V10 plus is on the Ring as fast(or even marginally) faster then previous R8 GT speaks enough for me. That means faster then 458 or SLS AMG. Rumor is that R8 V10 plus is faster on the Ring then SLS AMG GT.


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    pride355:
    reginos:

    I just wish that Audi had not imitated the "engine vitrine" of Ferrari because really it is not their style. It could have been optional for some more ostentation-prone markets.

    "Form follows function"

    I think R8 V10 commercial in Maranello, alone, shows Audi inferiority against Ferrari..

    I have driven both R8 V8 (on road and track) and V10 (on track). I also drove F430 (on track). In terms of driver excitement and sportiveness there is no comparison between Ferrari and Audi. Even the old generation F430 was much enjoyable to drive. When it comes to driving dynamics, R8 is talented and well behaved but soulless.

    I'm curious how much of this has changed with the FL.

    You involved personal bias here, didn't you? Smiley

    F430, specially with F1 sequential manual is IMO not an match for any R8 V10(previus model).

    What is enjoyable for you is not enjoyable for me. Try to drive 800kms in F430F1-it is paint it the ass trip, even on the autobahn. Most Ferrari's are short distance cars, that is the fact.

    For me value for money is after my personal preference the most important element in final purchase decision. Porsche 991 models are on top for me here, R8 V10 FL models close second and SLS AMG GT distant third.

    Ferrari's? 458 is an awsome car IMO. BUT, brand tax is here out of any normal proportions. I would never pay 230K €(German price) for 458.


    Re: Audi R8 FL

    Not that this is anything definitive, but in this test the R8 GT seems to be actually quite fast. With the DCT, I don't see why the V10 Plus couldn't be just as fast if not faster. DCT  plays a huge role in the beginning, as evidence by the GTR, thus it should give a nice boost to the R8 V10 Plus.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDP7Pty8Qnw

    1. GTR - 121.8@11.2
    2. 458 - 125.6@11.3
    3. R8 GT - 125.1@11.5
    4. SLS - 124.1@11.7
    5. LFA - 123.7@11.9
    6. Z06 - 122.5@11.9
    7. GT3 RS - 120.7@11.9


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    KresoF1:
    A fact that R8 V10 plus is on the Ring as fast(or even marginally) faster then previous R8 GT speaks enough for me. That means faster then 458 or SLS AMG. Rumor is that R8 V10 plus is faster on the Ring then SLS AMG GT.

    The R8 GT was 7.34. Ideally, the V10 Plus should try to drop below 7.30 so as to join some very distinguished cars. Mecedes claim that the SLS GT's time is below this mark but they haven't given a time.

    http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/nordschleife.html

     

     

     

     


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    Re: Audi R8 FL

    KresoF1:
    pride355:
    reginos:

    I just wish that Audi had not imitated the "engine vitrine" of Ferrari because really it is not their style. It could have been optional for some more ostentation-prone markets.

    "Form follows function"

    I think R8 V10 commercial in Maranello, alone, shows Audi inferiority against Ferrari..

    I have driven both R8 V8 (on road and track) and V10 (on track). I also drove F430 (on track). In terms of driver excitement and sportiveness there is no comparison between Ferrari and Audi. Even the old generation F430 was much enjoyable to drive. When it comes to driving dynamics, R8 is talented and well behaved but soulless.

    I'm curious how much of this has changed with the FL.

    You involved personal bias here, didn't you? Smiley

    F430, specially with F1 sequential manual is IMO not an match for any R8 V10(previus model).

    What is enjoyable for you is not enjoyable for me. Try to drive 800kms in F430F1-it is paint it the ass trip, even on the autobahn. Most Ferrari's are short distance cars, that is the fact.

    For me value for money is after my personal preference the most important element in final purchase decision. Porsche 991 models are on top for me here, R8 V10 FL models close second and SLS AMG GT distant third.

    Ferrari's? 458 is an awsome car IMO. BUT, brand tax is here out of any normal proportions. I would never pay 230K €(German price) for 458.

    Kreso,

    Of course I'm 100% biased Smiley

    I can't think of driving 800 km in an F430. It would be hard but depends where you drive Smiley

    BTW, my well equipped (Racing seats, carbon fibre driving zone, carbon tunnel, alcantara/leather, painted dash+steering wheel, painted calipers, shields etc) 458 costs 179.000 Euro (in Germany without VAT) + überführung.

    On the other hand list price of R8 V10 plus is 145.500 Euro (again in Germany without VAT) + überführung.

    I think the difference is not that huge and I also have to check what is standart on the V10 plus (I guess almost everything except racing buckets maybe)

    Don't get me wrong. From the day 1, I was a big fan of R8 and was thinking of buying a V8 2 years ago just before I bought my E92 M3. But it now is below the competition and as you said one step behind 458, Mclaren etc.


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    Re: Audi R8 FL

    I wonder why the V10 Plus wasn't named "RS8" in line with the fastest cars of the Audi range? There is no RS8 in the A8 range anyway and I don't think there will be one.

    Does this mean there is more to come and the Plus will ultimately not be the top model?


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