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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Looks great. Congrats and enjoy. Sunday is supposed to sunny for us. 


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    2014 Porsche 991 C4S Black with Sports Design Package,  2017 Porsche Cayenne Platinum  Purpurite Metallic, New York


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Congrats,very beautiful indeed 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Whoopsy:
    EnglishManInNY:

    Anyone use this mount?

    All my cars are on them. IF I use a front plate.

    Im sure as u use dealer plate, you don't longer need front Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Put 100miles on the car today. Also put clear side markers (indicators) on. Make such a difference  

    i was sad to trade in my TTS but the GT3 is marvelous! So different but so similar too. 991 dna cannot be mistaken. 

    Will admit to sitting in a mclaren 720s today. Can’t imagine it’s being anywhere near as emotional. But it’s an amazing car in the flesh. 


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    Tesla Model S P100D & Model X P90D & 2016 BMW i8 & 2017 Sept 991.2 GT3 ordered. 2020 Porsche Mission E on order


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    EnglishManInNY:

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    Got it home. So much more mechanical than the TTS. But the ride is no worse - surprised by this. So nice to have a NA engine v the turbo. More thoughts to come soon. 

    Amazing "white shark"! Congratulations! Looks awesome Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Congrats EnglishManInNY!


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    2016 Cayman GT4 - 1992 964 Carrera 2 - 2016 Macan S Diesel - 2013 Mini Cooper S


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    EnglishManInNY:

     

    Got it home. So much more mechanical than the TTS. But the ride is no worse - surprised by this. So nice to have a NA engine v the turbo. More thoughts to come soon. 

    Congratulations on your new ride Smiley Enjoy all the little noises !


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    What’s the antenna on the roof for?


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Gauss:

    What’s the antenna on the roof for?

    Required for US cars - satellite radio antenna.  We get no cage, but we have to have a cube on the roof Smiley

    Car looks great though­čĹŹ


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Thanks wink


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    So after 150miles of gentle driving I am more than happy with the GT3. And yes it def looks like a shark  

    I was worried about 2 things. The ride and the lack of torque. I am surprised by both being far better than I imagined. And this is me coming from a 991.1 TTS Cab with 17k miles.

    so happy I got the lift. Already bottomed out the car coming out of my drive without me thinking about the lift.

    found myself in damp light rain this morning. Tires ok but traction control was kicking in from a stop so obviously need to take it very easy. 

    Bucket seats are great. Only issue is getting in and out of them. Like getting into and out of a carbon tub car like my wife’s i8. Takes some gymnastics. 

    Engine and sound are amazing. By far the best sounding car I have ever owned. The best before this was my Ferrari 355 I had about 17years a go. Def a step in power around 4.5k rpm. I have not been over 5rpm and won’t until I hit 1k miles. Will be so hard not to explore above 5k. 

    Bose stereo is ok but nothing special. Good enough for when I use it and am not listening to the marvelous natural soundtrack. 

    Unfortunately wont be able to put any more miles on the shark until next weekend. So sad. 


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    Tesla Model S P100D & Model X P90D & 2016 BMW i8 & 2017 Sept 991.2 GT3 ordered. 2020 Porsche Mission E on order


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Thanks for the review, are you following any specific break-in procedures?


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    I followed this. Supposedly came directly from Andreas P

    Weissach team break in

    The manual says the first 2000 miles to keep the RPM’s below 4200rpm, but he has a different approach:

    First 500 kms keep it below or at 5000 RPMs 

    For every 200 kms after that, increase the limit by 500 RPM

    The redline on the GT4 is 7800 RPM, so the total break-in period will take 500 kms + (6*200) = 1700 kms

    He recommends the first oil change at 1000 miles, can stretch to 1500 miles but the earlier the better.

    Do an alignment at 1000 - 1500 miles once the suspension has settled - he claims it makes a difference 

    500km 5k

    700 5.5k

    900 6k

    1100 6.5k

    1300 7k

    1500 7.5 k

    1700 8k

    1900 8.5k


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Great info, thanks!


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    1992 Mercedes-Benz W124 500E / 2003 BMW M3 CSL (sold) / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (sold) / 2014 BMW-Alpina D3 biturbo Touring / 2014 BMW-Alpina B3 biturbo Touring Allrad / 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Clubsport


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    You’ve got a lot to still look forward to! The engine really starts to wake up at about 6k indecision


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    2015 911 GT3, 1964 Type 1


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    DJM48:

    I followed this. Supposedly came directly from Andreas P

    Weissach team break in

    The manual says the first 2000 miles to keep the RPM’s below 4200rpm, but he has a different approach:

    First 500 kms keep it below or at 5000 RPMs 

    For every 200 kms after that, increase the limit by 500 RPM

    The redline on the GT4 is 7800 RPM, so the total break-in period will take 500 kms + (6*200) = 1700 kms

    He recommends the first oil change at 1000 miles, can stretch to 1500 miles but the earlier the better.

    Do an alignment at 1000 - 1500 miles once the suspension has settled - he claims it makes a difference 

    500km 5k

    700 5.5k

    900 6k

    1100 6.5k

    1300 7k

    1500 7.5 k

    1700 8k

    1900 8.5k

    I'm sure that we can trust AP that this is the correct way to break in an engine. However, if the engine breaks down for whatever reason, and unrelated to the breaking-in, and if the dealership finds out that you haven't followed the break-in procedure described in the manual, then they may decline warranty claims, do they not?

    In other words, there's the engineer's way of breaking-in the engine/motor, and there's the lawful way, which ensures full warranty coverage.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    I have some Carbiono plate holders for the Ferrari and one for the Aston. They work...

    Congrats on the new car.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    EnglishManInNY:

    72429DF1-F3A2-4648-AE00-7AD2773344C5.jpeg
    77812E1C-CE7A-41C6-826F-E8E0AA5853AD.jpeg

    Got it home. So much more mechanical than the TTS. But the ride is no worse - surprised by this. So nice to have a NA engine v the turbo. More thoughts to come soon. 

    Congrats, beautiful car and yes, turbo engines feel more torquey and powerful but n/a engines feel direct and raw, completely different. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Gauss:
    DJM48:

    I followed this. Supposedly came directly from Andreas P

    Weissach team break in

    The manual says the first 2000 miles to keep the RPM’s below 4200rpm, but he has a different approach:

    First 500 kms keep it below or at 5000 RPMs 

    For every 200 kms after that, increase the limit by 500 RPM

    The redline on the GT4 is 7800 RPM, so the total break-in period will take 500 kms + (6*200) = 1700 kms

    He recommends the first oil change at 1000 miles, can stretch to 1500 miles but the earlier the better.

    Do an alignment at 1000 - 1500 miles once the suspension has settled - he claims it makes a difference 

    500km 5k

    700 5.5k

    900 6k

    1100 6.5k

    1300 7k

    1500 7.5 k

    1700 8k

    1900 8.5k

    I'm sure that we can trust AP that this is the correct way to break in an engine. However, if the engine breaks down for whatever reason, and unrelated to the breaking-in, and if the dealership finds out that you haven't followed the break-in procedure described in the manual, then they may decline warranty claims, do they not?

    In other words, there's the engineer's way of breaking-in the engine/motor, and there's the lawful way, which ensures full warranty coverage.

    That isn’t true in the US. You’ll have full warranty coverage despite not following AP’s recommendations. Personally I think they are borderline silly. 


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    "A man wrapped up in himself makes for a very small bundle."


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    nberry:
    Gauss:
    DJM48:

    I followed this. Supposedly came directly from Andreas P

    Weissach team break in

    The manual says the first 2000 miles to keep the RPM’s below 4200rpm, but he has a different approach:

    First 500 kms keep it below or at 5000 RPMs 

    For every 200 kms after that, increase the limit by 500 RPM

    The redline on the GT4 is 7800 RPM, so the total break-in period will take 500 kms + (6*200) = 1700 kms

    He recommends the first oil change at 1000 miles, can stretch to 1500 miles but the earlier the better.

    Do an alignment at 1000 - 1500 miles once the suspension has settled - he claims it makes a difference 

    500km 5k

    700 5.5k

    900 6k

    1100 6.5k

    1300 7k

    1500 7.5 k

    1700 8k

    1900 8.5k

    I'm sure that we can trust AP that this is the correct way to break in an engine. However, if the engine breaks down for whatever reason, and unrelated to the breaking-in, and if the dealership finds out that you haven't followed the break-in procedure described in the manual, then they may decline warranty claims, do they not?

    In other words, there's the engineer's way of breaking-in the engine/motor, and there's the lawful way, which ensures full warranty coverage.

    That isn’t true in the US. You’ll have full warranty coverage despite not following AP’s recommendations. Personally I think they are borderline silly. 

    You, as a lawyer, think AP's (as Porsche's Motorsport engineer) recommendations for break-in are silly? Smiley

    Based on what?


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    1992 Mercedes-Benz W124 500E / 2003 BMW M3 CSL (sold) / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (sold) / 2014 BMW-Alpina D3 biturbo Touring / 2014 BMW-Alpina B3 biturbo Touring Allrad / 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Clubsport


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    If they do a large study on the specific engine type utilisiing multiple different protocols of break in procedure then run them all for a set amount of running hours in the same running conditions then strip each engine down to see if there is more wear on a statistically relevant number of the engines - then they can really say what is the best way to break in an engine for lowest wear or for maximum power. 

    The Porsche/AP advice is just their opinion. I always get engines  fully hot and run them normally ie varying revs, not lugging and not being scared of revving them out fully as often as possible, I subscribe to the "ring seating" method of break in and I haven't had any problems. 


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    997 GT2 2014 3.9 Mezger, 800PS @ 1.2 bar

    993 Turbo, 2006 built 3.8, 577PS/797NM, 1440kg DIN


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    I suspect that it's not so much about the engine (which was probably run in the bench at the factory at high revs or at least done are at random with no problems) but more about all the other components like tranny, etc put together and "settling"... Also in some cases it's more about the progressive break in of the driver getting used to the car and not going into a ditch on the way back from the dealers lot, it's not the first time angry


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    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Never heard of warranty not being fulfilled because not sticking to manual ' s advice for the braking in . 

    The manual's advise is a random number, just to be on the very safe side  . It has no  '' engineering '' sense . 

     


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Why did Porsche bother to write a break-in procedure in the manual, if it has no use whatsoever (legally or mechanically) yes


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    It's a recommendation, like tire pressures.


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    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    If break-in was an issue, it would be controlled by software, not just telling some random buyer don't drive like that or putting it in a 200 pg manual that won't be read. The software is already there too. When you fire it up in the cold, it will limit your RPM. This is a fact and common on cars for a long time now. If they wanted to limit it to certain RPM for certain number of miles, they would program it in.

    No sports car or exotic car company would every make a car that had to be broken in so precisely. Every single test drive involves a low mileage car getting redlined. Also, it's pretty much a given that a huge number of buyers will pick their car up and floor it right after leaving the dealer, then they'll call their friend over and give him a ride and floor it.


     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Carlos from Spain:

    It's a recommendation, like tire pressures.

    Ok, I always thought of it as a necessary procedure to not get in trouble with warranty if the engine goes bang. Good to know that it's not related. Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Porker:
    nberry:
    Gauss:
    DJM48:

    I followed this. Supposedly came directly from Andreas P

    Weissach team break in

    The manual says the first 2000 miles to keep the RPM’s below 4200rpm, but he has a different approach:

    First 500 kms keep it below or at 5000 RPMs 

    For every 200 kms after that, increase the limit by 500 RPM

    The redline on the GT4 is 7800 RPM, so the total break-in period will take 500 kms + (6*200) = 1700 kms

    He recommends the first oil change at 1000 miles, can stretch to 1500 miles but the earlier the better.

    Do an alignment at 1000 - 1500 miles once the suspension has settled - he claims it makes a difference 

    500km 5k

    700 5.5k

    900 6k

    1100 6.5k

    1300 7k

    1500 7.5 k

    1700 8k

    1900 8.5k

    I'm sure that we can trust AP that this is the correct way to break in an engine. However, if the engine breaks down for whatever reason, and unrelated to the breaking-in, and if the dealership finds out that you haven't followed the break-in procedure described in the manual, then they may decline warranty claims, do they not?

    In other words, there's the engineer's way of breaking-in the engine/motor, and there's the lawful way, which ensures full warranty coverage.

    That isn’t true in the US. You’ll have full warranty coverage despite not following AP’s recommendations. Personally I think they are borderline silly. 

    You, as a lawyer, think AP's (as Porsche's Motorsport engineer) recommendations for break-in are silly? Smiley

    Based on what?

    Rather than discuss various experts who build engines and claim the break-in procedures are unnecessary, ask yourself this question? 

    Does AP have a motive for owners of new GT cars to baby them?Smiley


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    "A man wrapped up in himself makes for a very small bundle."


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Gauss:

    Funny spot with the Manneken Pis in the back indecision

    Helsinki harbor. I remember that pissing dude. I love the color of the car!


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    nberry:
    Porker:
    nberry:
    Gauss:
    DJM48:

    I followed this. Supposedly came directly from Andreas P

    Weissach team break in

    The manual says the first 2000 miles to keep the RPM’s below 4200rpm, but he has a different approach:

    First 500 kms keep it below or at 5000 RPMs 

    For every 200 kms after that, increase the limit by 500 RPM

    The redline on the GT4 is 7800 RPM, so the total break-in period will take 500 kms + (6*200) = 1700 kms

    He recommends the first oil change at 1000 miles, can stretch to 1500 miles but the earlier the better.

    Do an alignment at 1000 - 1500 miles once the suspension has settled - he claims it makes a difference 

    500km 5k

    700 5.5k

    900 6k

    1100 6.5k

    1300 7k

    1500 7.5 k

    1700 8k

    1900 8.5k

    I'm sure that we can trust AP that this is the correct way to break in an engine. However, if the engine breaks down for whatever reason, and unrelated to the breaking-in, and if the dealership finds out that you haven't followed the break-in procedure described in the manual, then they may decline warranty claims, do they not?

    In other words, there's the engineer's way of breaking-in the engine/motor, and there's the lawful way, which ensures full warranty coverage.

    That isn’t true in the US. You’ll have full warranty coverage despite not following AP’s recommendations. Personally I think they are borderline silly. 

    You, as a lawyer, think AP's (as Porsche's Motorsport engineer) recommendations for break-in are silly? Smiley

    Based on what?

    Rather than discuss various experts who build engines and claim the break-in procedures are unnecessary, ask yourself this question? 

    Does AP have a motive for owners of new GT cars to baby them?Smiley

    What is 5k km of babying an engine if you can open it up afterwards? I've never heard him saying you shouldn't wring them out for the rest of their lives?


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