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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    4trac:
    MKSGR:
    SciFrog:

    Just stunning. Only 100lbs extra and no loss of rigidity. Porsche is 20 years behind with its GT car offerings.

    This looks like a car for girls. Much too feminin.

    Rubbish.  It has elegance and lightness in its design - these are purely design characteristics, that many men can appreciate.  

    I am sure that some men can appreciate the design as well. However, the car looks like a candy you sucked for some time and then spit out againSmiley


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    I wonder if they will do a 570GT Spyder, that would be the car to get 

     


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Actually come to think of it, the next McLaren is always the one to get.

    Whatever they have on sale, it will be old news in about 9 months anyway.


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Oh oh, Markus ans Nick, get your flame suits on now... critisizing McLaren is almost as blasphemous as critisizing Tesla 


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Whoopsy:

    I wonder if they will do a 570GT Spyder, that would be the car to get 

     

    Smiley


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Carlos from Spain:

    Oh oh, Markus ans Nick, get your flame suits on now... critisizing McLaren is almost as blasphemous as critisizing Tesla 

    I like the design of the 720s by now (still need to drive the car though) - this might mitigate their anger Smiley


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    MKSGR:
    Carlos from Spain:

    Oh oh, Markus ans Nick, get your flame suits on now... critisizing McLaren is almost as blasphemous as critisizing Tesla 

    I like the design of the 720s by now (still need to drive the car though) - this might mitigate their anger Smiley

    Ok, you are on probation for now, but don't push it Smiley


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Whoopsy:

    Actually come to think of it, the next McLaren is always the one to get.

    Whatever they have on sale, it will be old news in about 9 months anyway.

    That's exactly what I've been saying. Then I got flamed by the ML fanboys. All two. Smiley


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Three ;)


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    3.5 indecision


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Carlos from Spain:
    MKSGR:
    Carlos from Spain:

    Oh oh, Markus ans Nick, get your flame suits on now... critisizing McLaren is almost as blasphemous as critisizing Tesla 

    I like the design of the 720s by now (still need to drive the car though) - this might mitigate their anger Smiley

    Ok, you are on probation for now, but don't push it Smiley

     

    Hmm, I do have a 720S on order...................


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Whoopsy:

    Hmm, I do have a 720S on order...................

    Really? What happened? I thought you weren't such a fan of McLaren due to the fact that they are all essentially variations of the MP4-12 tub, combined with too many variants resulting in plumetting resale value... or do I have you mixed up with someone else?


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    No matter what people think of McLaren but they definetely set the bar much higher, especially for Porsche. Ferrari at least tried hard with their 488 but Porsche completely lost the performance advantage, even if their cars are fast on the track. I am actually surprised how McLaren does it, especially considering the size of the company.


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Joost:
    Whoopsy:

    Hmm, I do have a 720S on order...................

    Really? What happened? I thought you weren't such a fan of McLaren due to the fact that they are all essentially variations of the MP4-12 tub, combined with too many variants resulting in plumetting resale value... or do I have you mixed up with someone else?

     

    What happened? Well they moved away from the ugly joker face Smiley

    For me the shark face now is a great improvement over the joker face, but still not as nice as the original 12C face.

     


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    RC:

    No matter what people think of McLaren but they definetely set the bar much higher, especially for Porsche. Ferrari at least tried hard with their 488 but Porsche completely lost the performance advantage, even if their cars are fast on the track. I am actually surprised how McLaren does it, especially considering the size of the company.

    Depends on what do you understand by "performance advantage". I couldn't care less about the power output or straight line acceleration (you can't seize all the potential of this cars on an open road unless you live in Germany). What I care about is lightweight, feeling, how the car behaves on a twisty road, design, you get my point right? 

    And in this regard Porsche has no competition. 991R and .2 GT3 are the best examples of that. 


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Whoopsy:
    Joost:
    Whoopsy:

    Hmm, I do have a 720S on order...................

    Really? What happened? I thought you weren't such a fan of McLaren due to the fact that they are all essentially variations of the MP4-12 tub, combined with too many variants resulting in plumetting resale value... or do I have you mixed up with someone else?

     

    What happened? Well they moved away from the ugly joker face Smiley

    For me the shark face now is a great improvement over the joker face, but still not as nice as the original 12C face.

    +1

     


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    alexalex88:
    RC:

    No matter what people think of McLaren but they definetely set the bar much higher, especially for Porsche. Ferrari at least tried hard with their 488 but Porsche completely lost the performance advantage, even if their cars are fast on the track. I am actually surprised how McLaren does it, especially considering the size of the company.

    Depends on what do you understand by "performance advantage". I couldn't care less about the power output or straight line acceleration (you can't seize all the potential of this cars on an open road unless you live in Germany). What I care about is lightweight, feeling, how the car behaves on a twisty road, design, you get my point right? 

    And in this regard Porsche has no competition. 991R and .2 GT3 are the best examples of that. 

    How are those the best example of that? If you don't care about performance, why buy 991 models and not 997? Why not 996? How about 993? How about some 1970s 911 that was 47 lbs wet and looks vastly cooler than any modern 911?

    The latest 911s are the least involving 911s ever created and they take more control away from the driver than any 911 generation before it. They weigh more too. This is pretty much true for every brand because all new cars employ better and better technology that does more and more while just letting the driver point and shoot.


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Whoopsy:
    Carlos from Spain:
    MKSGR:
    Carlos from Spain:

    Oh oh, Markus ans Nick, get your flame suits on now... critisizing McLaren is almost as blasphemous as critisizing Tesla 

    I like the design of the 720s by now (still need to drive the car though) - this might mitigate their anger Smiley

    Ok, you are on probation for now, but don't push it Smiley

     

    Hmm, I do have a 720S on order...................

    Could you do a test drive already? I am very excited to try the car Smiley


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Whoopsy:

    Hmm, I do have a 720S on order...................

    Smiley


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Whoopsy:
    Carlos from Spain:
    MKSGR:
    Carlos from Spain:

    Oh oh, Markus ans Nick, get your flame suits on now... critisizing McLaren is almost as blasphemous as critisizing Tesla 

    I like the design of the 720s by now (still need to drive the car though) - this might mitigate their anger Smiley

    Ok, you are on probation for now, but don't push it Smiley

     

    Hmm, I do have a 720S on order...................

    No surprise there. What cars DON'T you have on order??!!! SmileySmileySmiley Ohhh, now I know, a Tesla is missingSmileySmileySmiley


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Same will happen with people bashing the GT2 RS. Some months later "got one on order"


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    MKSGR:
    Whoopsy:
    Carlos from Spain:
    MKSGR:
    Carlos from Spain:

    Oh oh, Markus ans Nick, get your flame suits on now... critisizing McLaren is almost as blasphemous as critisizing Tesla 

    I like the design of the 720s by now (still need to drive the car though) - this might mitigate their anger Smiley

    Ok, you are on probation for now, but don't push it Smiley

     

    Hmm, I do have a 720S on order...................

    Could you do a test drive already? I am very excited to try the car Smiley

    No not yet. But I have talked to someone that had driven each variant of the 12C platform and his view and opinions in cars is very close to mine. He said the car blew him away.


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    noone1:
    alexalex88:
    RC:

    The latest 911s are the least involving 911s ever created and they take more control away from the driver than any 911 generation before it. They weigh more too. This is pretty much true for every brand because all new cars employ better and better technology that does more and more while just letting the driver point and shoot.

    Thats why the MANUAL comes SmileySmileySmileySmiley,but agree,993 and 964 are the best Smiley


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    alexalex88:
    RC:

    No matter what people think of McLaren but they definetely set the bar much higher, especially for Porsche. Ferrari at least tried hard with their 488 but Porsche completely lost the performance advantage, even if their cars are fast on the track. I am actually surprised how McLaren does it, especially considering the size of the company.

    Depends on what do you understand by "performance advantage". I couldn't care less about the power output or straight line acceleration (you can't seize all the potential of this cars on an open road unless you live in Germany). What I care about is lightweight, feeling, how the car behaves on a twisty road, design, you get my point right? 

    And in this regard Porsche has no competition. 991R and .2 GT3 are the best examples of that. 

    Well, I am driving a R8 now, so... Smiley


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    noone1:
    alexalex88:
    RC:

    No matter what people think of McLaren but they definetely set the bar much higher, especially for Porsche. Ferrari at least tried hard with their 488 but Porsche completely lost the performance advantage, even if their cars are fast on the track. I am actually surprised how McLaren does it, especially considering the size of the company.

    Depends on what do you understand by "performance advantage". I couldn't care less about the power output or straight line acceleration (you can't seize all the potential of this cars on an open road unless you live in Germany). What I care about is lightweight, feeling, how the car behaves on a twisty road, design, you get my point right? 

    And in this regard Porsche has no competition. 991R and .2 GT3 are the best examples of that. 

    How are those the best example of that? If you don't care about performance, why buy 991 models and not 997? Why not 996? How about 993? How about some 1970s 911 that was 47 lbs wet and looks vastly cooler than any modern 911?

    The latest 911s are the least involving 911s ever created and they take more control away from the driver than any 911 generation before it. They weigh more too. This is pretty much true for every brand because all new cars employ better and better technology that does more and more while just letting the driver point and shoot.

    997 and 991 might not be the lightest or more involving cars out there, true, but for me both have a great compromise between what I demand on a car, which are the attributes mentioned before without leaving apart the comfort and a modern look.

    Each one to his own, personally I don't need +700hp under my right foot, that's all I'm saying.


    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    alexalex88:
    noone1:
    alexalex88:
    RC:

    No matter what people think of McLaren but they definetely set the bar much higher, especially for Porsche. Ferrari at least tried hard with their 488 but Porsche completely lost the performance advantage, even if their cars are fast on the track. I am actually surprised how McLaren does it, especially considering the size of the company.

    Depends on what do you understand by "performance advantage". I couldn't care less about the power output or straight line acceleration (you can't seize all the potential of this cars on an open road unless you live in Germany). What I care about is lightweight, feeling, how the car behaves on a twisty road, design, you get my point right? 

    And in this regard Porsche has no competition. 991R and .2 GT3 are the best examples of that. 

    How are those the best example of that? If you don't care about performance, why buy 991 models and not 997? Why not 996? How about 993? How about some 1970s 911 that was 47 lbs wet and looks vastly cooler than any modern 911?

    The latest 911s are the least involving 911s ever created and they take more control away from the driver than any 911 generation before it. They weigh more too. This is pretty much true for every brand because all new cars employ better and better technology that does more and more while just letting the driver point and shoot.

    997 and 991 might not be the lightest or more involving cars out there, true, but for me both have a great compromise between what I demand on a car, which are the attributes mentioned before without leaving apart the comfort and a modern look.

    Each one to his own, personally I don't need +700hp under my right foot, that's all I'm saying.

    +1 Smiley


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    You can never ever have enough power in a car but this power needs to be put on the ground and this is where the problem starts. I get that daily driver 911 thing but personally, I just got bored with the 911 routine. Once the 960 shows up, I could be in again if the car is what I expect it to be.


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    Don't think this was posted a few days ago; Drive Tribe and Catchpole's review of the 720S, driven in Italy.  His conclusion is quite interesting; that the 720 is almost aimed more at the 911T than it is the 488 etc., as a result of McLaren prioritizing both speed and daily usability.  In other words, he argues you cannot have both daily usability and expect spine tingling excitement, and that the 720 sacrifices some of the latter for the former. 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKigmMDDv04


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    martini964:  RC:  Thats why the MANUAL comes SmileySmileySmileySmiley,but agree,993 and 964 are the best Smiley

    Nah, Long Hood 911 (65-73) Smiley


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    Re: McLaren on a winning streak

    RC:

    No matter what people think of McLaren but they definetely set the bar much higher, especially for Porsche. Ferrari at least tried hard with their 488 but Porsche completely lost the performance advantage, even if their cars are fast on the track. I am actually surprised how McLaren does it, especially considering the size of the company.

     

    McLaren has a huge advantage of not competing against its own model hierarchy and past offerings in one sense. The 911 has been slow incremental changes.  Ferrari too has done this.  Both companies are well capable of offering a carbon tub and turbo engines with huge output but that doesn't follow from the path they have set. Let's see how they respond. 


     
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