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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    If 918 hybrid is still too early for 992, might we see more turbos, also in GT cars, as a temporary solution ? Because how else are they going to fight the strict emission rules?


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Gauss:

    If 918 hybrid is still too early for 992, might we see more turbos, also in GT cars, as a temporary solution ? Because how else are they going to fight the strict emission rules?

    I think Porsche Motorsports will drive the timeline for turbos in GT cars. With their competitors, including Corvette switching to turbos, I would expect the next generation of the RSR to be turbo and hence the GT cars.


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    2014 Porsche 991 C4S Black with Sports Design Package,  2017 Porsche Cayenne Platinum  Purpurite Metallic, New York


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    SciFrog:

    The fact they are struggling with 911 hybrid tells you that the technology shouldn't even be deployed in the Panamera and maybe even on he Cayenne. If they wait 7-10 years they might as well go straight to EV.

     

    The problem with deploying hybrid tech in a 911 is about packaging. Nothing more.

    The hybrid technology that Porsche have right now is perfectly fine for bigger cars like Panamera and Cayenne. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    bobr:
    Gauss:

    If 918 hybrid is still too early for 992, might we see more turbos, also in GT cars, as a temporary solution ? Because how else are they going to fight the strict emission rules?

    I think Porsche Motorsports will drive the timeline for turbos in GT cars. With their competitors, including Corvette switching to turbos, I would expect the next generation of the RSR to be turbo and hence the GT cars.

    The competitors now even reside within the 911 range, like GTS.

    It will be interesting to follow where the developpment is heading to at Porsche. The 992 GTS will surely be another rocket. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Gauss - I agree with you on the GTS. I just purchased a GTS and hopefully pick up this weekend. 


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    2014 Porsche 991 C4S Black with Sports Design Package,  2017 Porsche Cayenne Platinum  Purpurite Metallic, New York


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    bobr:

    Gauss - I agree with you on the GTS. I just purchased a GTS and hopefully pick up this weekend. 

    Congrats! Smiley


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    2017 991.2 Carrera 4 GTS | GT Silver Metallic - The GT3 Killah!
    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Whoopsy:
    SciFrog:

    The fact they are struggling with 911 hybrid tells you that the technology shouldn't even be deployed in the Panamera and maybe even on he Cayenne. If they wait 7-10 years they might as well go straight to EV.

     

    The problem with deploying hybrid tech in a 911 is about packaging. Nothing more.

    The hybrid technology that Porsche have right now is perfectly fine for bigger cars like Panamera and Cayenne. 

    Size and weight...right. Weight wouldn't be biggest problem indeed but the size is an issue. This is why they may (or will) use it for the 992 Turbo models only.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Why? The turbo is no bigger than other 911 models, right? Or will the extra width provide sufficent extra internal space?yes


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    Porsche, separates Le Mans from Le Boys


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Joost:

    Why? The turbo is no bigger than other 911 models, right? Or will the extra width provide sufficent extra internal space?yes

    There will be changes in engine bay room and width/length. 


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    RC:

    There will be changes in engine bay room and width/length. 

    OK, interesting! Was that also the case for current/past generations?


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    Porsche, separates Le Mans from Le Boys


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Whoopsy:
    SciFrog:

    The fact they are struggling with 911 hybrid tells you that the technology shouldn't even be deployed in the Panamera and maybe even on he Cayenne. If they wait 7-10 years they might as well go straight to EV.

     

    The problem with deploying hybrid tech in a 911 is about packaging. Nothing more.

    The hybrid technology that Porsche have right now is perfectly fine for bigger cars like Panamera and Cayenne. 


    Having testdriven the Panamera 4 e-hybrid for quite some time I would not call it "perfectly fine" Smiley. Rather a disappointment Smiley

    For 911 they can probably fit the hybrid tech, but they need to work hard with weight and the battery need to be small with rather low kWh spec.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    The current size of the battery in the Cayenne hybrid is useless. As reported here, it didn’t have enough juice to drive full electric from the time I entered the city center to the garage then back out. And then to recharge the batter over the next 50 mins of highway driving, car used way more fuel than my Macan turbo. The whole thing is useless.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Porsche 911 GT3 Touring looking great in black...

    Link: https://www.porscheclubnews.com/prod/clubs/clubnews.nsf/content/de-201502_current_201709-911-gt3

    Smiley Smiley Smiley


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    As much as I like wings and bright colours - that looks fantastic kiss


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    “.....Then I climbed into the manual car and my focus changed. I was notably slower, making errors in every occasional corner, but I was finding new happiness seeking my own personal perfection. I ran the glorious atmosphere-sucking 4.0-liter engine to the point of redline in each gear, gleefully smiling as I flicked off each splendid shift – relishing the mechanical clunk of the shifter and the weight of the clutch pedal under my foot. The other cars pulled ahead, but I didn’t care. I was an integral part of the wondrous machine. I was fully engaged......”

    Michael Harley of Forbes.com about GT3 PDK vs. manual


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    2017 991.2 Carrera 4 GTS | GT Silver Metallic - The GT3 Killah!
    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    bluelines:

    “.....Then I climbed into the manual car and my focus changed. I was notably slower, making errors in every occasional corner, but I was finding new happiness seeking my own personal perfection. I ran the glorious atmosphere-sucking 4.0-liter engine to the point of redline in each gear, gleefully smiling as I flicked off each splendid shift – relishing the mechanical clunk of the shifter and the weight of the clutch pedal under my foot. The other cars pulled ahead, but I didn’t care. I was an integral part of the wondrous machine. I was fully engaged......”

    Michael Harley of Forbes.com about GT3 PDK vs. manual

    I found the Forbes article here:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelharley/2017/09/20/2018-porsche-911-gt3-delivers-a-desirable-dilemma/#39cd43721a8c

    Love how AP has revised the advantage for PDK upshifts from 1 car-length to 1/4 to 1/3 car-length Smiley


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    The T car in black looks almost identical to the 911 Carrara I was following today.

    Funny how people buy a performance car with antiquated technology to go slower. yes


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    "A man wrapped up in himself makes for a very small bundle."


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    nberry:

    Funny how people buy a performance car with antiquated technology to go slower. yes

    Nick - couldn’t you say that about the GT3 or any 911?  Who buys a rear-engined car to go fast? Smiley

    I think it’s more about the fun we get.  There are faster cars for half the price...


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    nberry:

    The T car in black looks almost identical to the 911 Carrara I was following today.

    Funny how people buy a performance car with antiquated technology to go slower. yes

    Funny how people who go slow and don't know how to drive need the fastest car. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Yesterday I did another 300km on Swabian country roads with my RS and the car just sticks to the ground and flies at unreal speeds, banging the gears up and down with the PDK, engine screaming, it's intoxicating. Also my recent drive on some Austrian passes almost left me speechless. Despite all that I always have that little nagging doubt how it would feel driving the same roads but with a manual. Don't get me wrong the first time I drove a GT3 with PDK in Spa I was amazed and sold my 997GT3RS afterwards (with the benefit of hindsight that was a mistake as it was just before prices skyrocketed). Then I moved to the Aubergine and still I thought there is something missing. As I mentioned it already a couple of times, driving road cars on track has become obsolete for me mainly due to safety and performance reasons, that car somehow lost its right to exist (for me). So since the rumors of an upcoming Touring Package surfaced I was kind of harassing my dealer constantly to get one in connection with PTS. The lust for PTS already started several years ago though you couldn't not complain about loud colors at least available with RS'. Long story cut short, two weeks ago I got the confirmation of receiving a GT3 with TP and two days ago Porsche Exclusive invited me to Stuttgart in November to custom spec my car. To say I'm over the moon is an understatement. At the same time I will be sad to see my Aubergine go as it is a fantastic car. At the end each to his own and you cannot blame Porsche for cashing in on that.

    Mike


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Leawood911:
    nberry:

    The T car in black looks almost identical to the 911 Carrara I was following today.

    Funny how people buy a performance car with antiquated technology to go slower. yes

    Funny how people who go slow and don't know how to drive need the fastest car. 

    Smiley

    A Starbucks racer.


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    2017 991.2 Carrera 4 GTS | GT Silver Metallic - The GT3 Killah!
    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    M3ike:

    Long story cut short, two weeks ago I got the confirmation of receiving a GT3 with TP and two days ago Porsche Exclusive invited me to Stuttgart in November to custom spec my car. To say I'm over the moon is an understatement. At the same time I will be sad to see my Aubergine go as it is a fantastic car. At the end each to his own and you cannot blame Porsche for cashing in on that.

    Mike

    That would be a first ....... until now all TP wanting PTS have been turned down. Congratulations .Smiley

    I have the same sensations and ideas as you on RS PDK   , except that I will not move to a proper track car .

    I also often wonder if a GT3 TP would be my '' dream '' 911 for the roads . I love manual in my 964 as I can rev the car to red line very often . In a GT3 on open roads that would be difficult as you would be far far over the speed limits . And the please coming from that engine is mostly after 5'500 rpm .  Not always convinced that car would end up being the dream 911 for open roads as one can not exploit the engine . Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    M3ike:

    Yesterday I did another 300km on Swabian country roads with my RS and the car just sticks to the ground and flies at unreal speeds, banging the gears up and down with the PDK, engine screaming, it's intoxicating. Also my recent drive on some Austrian passes almost left me speechless. Despite all that I always have that little nagging doubt how it would feel driving the same roads but with a manual. Don't get me wrong the first time I drove a GT3 with PDK in Spa I was amazed and sold my 997GT3RS afterwards (with the benefit of hindsight that was a mistake as it was just before prices skyrocketed). Then I moved to the Aubergine and still I thought there is something missing. As I mentioned it already a couple of times, driving road cars on track has become obsolete for me mainly due to safety and performance reasons, that car somehow lost its right to exist (for me). So since the rumors of an upcoming Touring Package surfaced I was kind of harassing my dealer constantly to get one in connection with PTS. The lust for PTS already started several years ago though you couldn't not complain about loud colors at least available with RS'. Long story cut short, two weeks ago I got the confirmation of receiving a GT3 with TP and two days ago Porsche Exclusive invited me to Stuttgart in November to custom spec my car. To say I'm over the moon is an understatement. At the same time I will be sad to see my Aubergine go as it is a fantastic car. At the end each to his own and you cannot blame Porsche for cashing in on that.

    Mike

    Congratulations Mike, it's going to be a fantastic spec I'm sure!


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    1992 Mercedes-Benz W124 500E / 2003 BMW M3 CSL (sold) / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS / 2014 BMW-Alpina D3 biturbo Touring / 2014 BMW-Alpina B3 biturbo Touring Allrad


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Congrats Mike

    The gearbox/engine combination is awesome. Another 400km in my car today on a few country roads. Every drive puts a smile on your face.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Leawood911:
    nberry:

    The T car in black looks almost identical to the 911 Carrara I was following today.

    Funny how people buy a performance car with antiquated technology to go slower. yes

    Funny how people who go slow and don't know how to drive need the fastest car. 

    Very true and very funny.  My motto is that my gear and talent are inversely proportional, and I've got great gear!!!Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    M3ike:

    Long story cut short, two weeks ago I got the confirmation of receiving a GT3 with TP and two days ago Porsche Exclusive invited me to Stuttgart in November to custom spec my car. To say I'm over the moon is an understatement. At the same time I will be sad to see my Aubergine go as it is a fantastic car. At the end each to his own and you cannot blame Porsche for cashing in on that.

    Mike

    Excellent, Mike!  Smiley


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Leawood911:
    nberry:

    The T car in black looks almost identical to the 911 Carrara I was following today.

    Funny how people buy a performance car with antiquated technology to go slower. yes

    Funny how people who go slow and don't know how to drive need the fastest car. 

    The arrogance of some MT enthusiast is perplexing. They believe that not only are they more mainly by having a MT but they are the best and fastest drivers. In reality, they live in a time warp laughed at by those in the know. All the best performance cars by the best manufacturers (Ferrari, McLaren, Lamborghini and MB) do not offer MT. Even Porsche refuses to offer MT on its halo cars. Clinking to the past stunts growth and learning. Very sad. surprise


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    "A man wrapped up in himself makes for a very small bundle."


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    nberry:
     Clinking to the past stunts growth and learning. Very sad. surprise

    Much more learning to be had with manual.  The opportunity to exercise my learned shifting tasks would be lost with PDK.  Seems like PDK that handles more functions for the driver would be more responsible for stunted growth, not the reverse.  What kind of growth do you expect from using an excellent automatic gearbox?


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 16 Cayman GT4, 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    Grant, it is a question that can only be asked by someone who has never driven a PDK or F1. FWIW, my comments were not directed at the true enthusiast of MT who understand that because someone prefers PDK doesn't mean they don't know how to drive.kiss


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    "A man wrapped up in himself makes for a very small bundle."


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3

    nberry:

    Grant, it is a question that can only be asked by someone who has never driven a PDK or F1. FWIW, my comments were not directed at the true enthusiast of MT who understand that because someone prefers PDK doesn't mean they don't know how to drive.kiss

    Master the use of a turn signal and get back to me.  It shows respect for the lives around you. 


     
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