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    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    Grant:
    easy_rider911:

    It's us who deserve a medal for tolerating the verbal mutilation that Americans inflict upon our beloved language! Smiley Smiley

    The correct "English" grammar is "It's WE who deserve..."Smiley

    Aha! Smiley That's one of my "pet peeves" in the English language. Smiley

    The misuse of "me" for "I", etc., and vice versa is so common that many native English speakers seem to think that they are equally valid or correct alternatives.  Smiley

    That's what you get when you start mixing French usage (e.g. "C'est moi") with Old English derived from archaic German. Smiley

     


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    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    Apparently, both 'we' and 'us' are correct Smiley:

    http://www.whitesmoke.com/free-online-checker

    I love Rennteam - we care so much about these things Smiley 


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    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    easy_rider911:

    Apparently, both 'we' and 'us' are correct Smiley:

    http://www.whitesmoke.com/free-online-checker

    RT Moderator - 997.1 Carrera S GT Silver/Cocoa, -20mm/LSD, PSE, short shifter, SportDesign rims, Zuffenhausen collection


    I think we need a better electronic grammar checker.  "We" is used as the subject of a sentence and "Us" is an object.  You wouldn't use the sentence, "Us deserve cake".  You'd say "We deserve cake", right?


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    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    Grant:
    easy_rider911:

    Apparently, both 'we' and 'us' are correct Smiley:

    http://www.whitesmoke.com/free-online-checker

    RT Moderator - 997.1 Carrera S GT Silver/Cocoa, -20mm/LSD, PSE, short shifter, SportDesign rims, Zuffenhausen collection


    I think we need a better electronic grammar checker.  "We" is used as the subject of a sentence and "Us" is an object.  You wouldn't use the sentence, "Us deserve cake".  You'd say "We deserve cake", right?

    Grant, you beat me to it.

    Easy, you're right in another respect. I do care about this. Smiley


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    fritz


    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    I agree with what you say Grant  I would certainly say "We deserve cake" rather than "Us deserve cake" Smiley

    I think the difference of opinion lies in the fact that you're treating "we" as the subject of "deserve" whereas I'm treating "us" as the object of "It's" (e.g. if a few people knocked on a door and the person inside asked who it was, they would surely reply "It's us" not "It's we"). That seems to me to be why we see it differently 


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    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    easy_rider911:

    I agree with what you say Grant  I would certainly say "We deserve cake" rather than "Us deserve cake" Smiley

    I think the difference of opinion lies in the fact that you're treating "we" as the subject of "deserve" whereas I'm treating "us" as the object of "It's" (i.e. if 2 or more people knocked on a door and the person inside asked who it was, they would surely say "It's us" not "It's we"). That seems to me to be why we see it differently 


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    Aha, but you see the verb "To Be" of which "is" is a form is an intransitive (non-action) verb that does not take an object.Smiley
     


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    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    The verb "to be" can be both transitive and intransitive

     


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    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    In my example, replying "It's" would not be complete. The reply would need to be "It's us" i.e. responding who it is.

    Actually, I think we would answer the phone differently too.

    If someone phones asking for Bob, Bob would reply (if he's American) saying "It is I" or "This is he". I don't think we would say either in the UK. They sound unnatural to us.


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    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    easy_rider911:

    The verb "to be" can be both transitive and intransitive

     

    Can it be intransitive as you used it in your original sentence?  Please provide a reference (not trying to be a jerk, just surprised).
     


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    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    It's on page 93 of my copy of the Concise Oxford English Dictionary. Unfortunately, I can't find an online version to show you.

    C'mon Grant - this started because I was playfully poking fun that you guys spell it as 'tires' rather than 'tyres' - you're getting a bit too worked up my friend 


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    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    easy_rider911:

    It's on page 93 of my copy of the Concise Oxford English Dictionary. Unfortunately, I can't find an online version to show you.

    C'mon Grant - this started because I was playfully poking fun that you guys spell it as 'tires' rather than 'tyres' - you're getting a bit too worked up my friend 

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    I'm not worked up at all.  I'm legitimately interested.   Thanks for the explanationSmiley


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    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    cannga:
    MKSGR:

     I think there is a "test" to see whether brake wear is PSM/ABS related or due to proper but intense use: if the rear discs wear significantly faster than the front discs the problem is more driver related (too much PSM interaction...). If the wear is similar front and rear PCCB itself is the limiting factor. In the end the brakes convert massive energy into heat. No wonder that wear can be quite significant even with latest PCCB technology Smiley


     

    So to prevent damage to PCCB at the track, you would turn off both components of the GT2's PSM --Stability Control & Traction Control? (Not that I think it's advisable to do so.)

    And if you do this and still fry your brakes at the track, then you could reason that  it IS the ABS that causes the damage?

     I think you don't even have to turn PSM/TC off to find that out (BTW, turning off TC will definitively have a negative impact on lap times - unless you are Michael Schumacher... TC works so well and so smooth, I could not manage to get this right on my own in a similar way):

    If disc wear on the front and rear axis are very similar this indicates that TC is not the problem. If PSM should be the problem you would notice anyhow as the light will flash quite often Smiley


    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    No problem Grant Smiley I guess that you and/or fritz may not entirely agree but I certainly tried my best to explain why I believe we are both correct anyway Smiley

    Anyway, I'm glad MKSGR has brought us back on topic Smiley


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    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    easy_rider911:

    Anyway, I'm glad MKSGR has brought us back on topic Smiley

     

     

     Somebody has to do it SmileySmileySmiley


    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    Grant:
    Aha, but you see the verb "To Be" of which "is" is a form is an intransitive (non-action) verb that does not take an object.Smiley
     

     Hey, we be conjugating!


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    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    W8MM:
    Grant:
    Aha, but you see the verb "To Be" of which "is" is a form is an intransitive (non-action) verb that does not take an object.Smiley
     

     Hey, we be conjugating!


    Did you just drop by this thread for a conjugal visit?Smiley


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    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    Grant:
    Did you just drop by this thread for a conjugal visit?Smiley

     

    Yes, I thought it was infinitively better than most.


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    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    I apologize for taking the thread off topic again, but I've just heard a BBC TV presenter say:

    "... and now I'm going to show you something that only us fowl breeders know about":

    Easy, I hope that you're not going to say that the use of "us" instead of "we" is in any way correct in that context? Smiley

    To try to make up for going off topic again, I would like to suggest to Hani, who unsuspectingly started this thread Smiley, that he tells his friend with the squeaking brakes to try several hard braking cycles from relatively high speeds to attempt to grind off a glazed layer of friction material which may be causing the squeak. Smiley


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    fritz


    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    MKSGR:
    easy_rider911:

    Anyway, I'm glad MKSGR has brought us back on topic Smiley

     

     

     Somebody has to do it SmileySmileySmiley

    It's time "us" serious posters spring to action.


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    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    MKSGR:
    cannga:
    MKSGR:

     I think there is a "test" to see whether brake wear is PSM/ABS related or due to proper but intense use: if the rear discs wear significantly faster than the front discs the problem is more driver related (too much PSM interaction...). If the wear is similar front and rear PCCB itself is the limiting factor. In the end the brakes convert massive energy into heat. No wonder that wear can be quite significant even with latest PCCB technology Smiley


     

    So to prevent damage to PCCB at the track, you would turn off both components of the GT2's PSM --Stability Control & Traction Control? (Not that I think it's advisable to do so.)

    And if you do this and still fry your brakes at the track, then you could reason that  it IS the ABS that causes the damage?

     I think you don't even have to turn PSM/TC off to find that out (BTW, turning off TC will definitively have a negative impact on lap times - unless you are Michael Schumacher... TC works so well and so smooth, I could not manage to get this right on my own in a similar way):

    If disc wear on the front and rear axis are very similar this indicates that TC is not the problem. If PSM should be the problem you would notice anyhow as the light will flash quite often Smiley

    Thanks for the very interesting comments.

    What about PASM? Have you found your time to be faster on the track with it on or off? Is it also track dependent?


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    Can
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    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    cannga:
    MKSGR:
    cannga:
    MKSGR:

     I think there is a "test" to see whether brake wear is PSM/ABS related or due to proper but intense use: if the rear discs wear significantly faster than the front discs the problem is more driver related (too much PSM interaction...). If the wear is similar front and rear PCCB itself is the limiting factor. In the end the brakes convert massive energy into heat. No wonder that wear can be quite significant even with latest PCCB technology Smiley


     

    So to prevent damage to PCCB at the track, you would turn off both components of the GT2's PSM --Stability Control & Traction Control? (Not that I think it's advisable to do so.)

    And if you do this and still fry your brakes at the track, then you could reason that  it IS the ABS that causes the damage?

     I think you don't even have to turn PSM/TC off to find that out (BTW, turning off TC will definitively have a negative impact on lap times - unless you are Michael Schumacher... TC works so well and so smooth, I could not manage to get this right on my own in a similar way):

    If disc wear on the front and rear axis are very similar this indicates that TC is not the problem. If PSM should be the problem you would notice anyhow as the light will flash quite often Smiley

    Thanks for the very interesting comments.

    What about PASM? Have you found your time to be faster on the track with it on or off? Is it also track dependent?

     In general I would say that PASM in Sport mode is best for flat tracks, i.e. typical GP style tracks. On more bumpy roads or in the wet the Normal mode does work better. Of course, this applies to the GT2. In other Porsche models (like 997 or 997TT) I would argue that PASM Sport is probably best for all tracks as the Normal mode seems less track oriented than in case of the GT2 Smiley


    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    ^^^ Good insight, Marcus.


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    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    Hey Guys,

    I'm Hani's friend with the "squeeking red brakes". I've done many high speed braking runs to try and get rid of layers of anything really but to no avail.  My brakes were not only squeeking they were also grinding at times and the noise was absolutely unbearable.  It wasn't a small or tiny squeek it was ear drum shattering, so i took the car in to the dealer.  They said I had a problem with my pads and that they would change them but were just waiting on some parts, and also some kind of Brake paste. It took 3 weeks for them to receive the parts, so imagine mental state for those 3 weeks. They also told me that there was nothing wrong with my braking it was just a matter of noise, so i didn't have tto worry about a drop in braking performance.  I'm travelling now for a week and the car is at the dealer being refitted with new pads and some of that brake paste.  anyone know what that paste could be? Oh and i also told them that if the car still squeeks not to give it back to me! lol

     

    Mo


    Re: 2010 GT3 ceramic breaks

    In the UK they often use a product called copper ease. It is placed on the back of the brake pads on the metal surface facing the caliper piston.

     

    http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m1b79s4325p1412&tbv=COMMA_-_Copper_Ease_-_Oil,_Lubrication,_Fluids_&_Liquid_...

     

    It's a dirty job so i would not do it myself and if you get it on the rotors or front of the pads you will be in trouble ! Also i am not sure if it is the exact product that Porsche use. 

     

     


     
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