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    Sport Auto Supertest: 812 Superfast

    Not bad for such a heavy GT car on Corsa tires, I wish there was a TDF test too
     

     


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    BiTurbo:

    Not bad for such a heavy GT car on Corsa tires, I wish there was a TDF test too

     

     

    The V12 never change. More for the eye (and the ear) than for precision and performance... A simple turbo s will kill the 812...


    Re: Sport Auto Supertest: 812 Superfast

    When were you on the Nordschleife the last time? 

    The V12 is about emotions, the sound, the throttle response...no turbo engine can give you that. 


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    Re: Sport Auto Supertest: 812 Superfast

    +1 Would take the V12 over any Turbo any day of the week, it is like comparing a 300gr hamburguer to a 150gr sirloin steak.


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    Carlos from Spain:

    +1 Would take the V12 over any Turbo any day of the week, it is like comparing a 300gr hamburguer to a 150gr sirloin steak.


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    Filet mignon... Smiley Smiley


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    Re: Sport Auto Supertest: 812 Superfast

    RC:
    Carlos from Spain:

    +1 Would take the V12 over any Turbo any day of the week, it is like comparing a 300gr hamburguer to a 150gr sirloin steak.


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    Filet mignon... Smiley Smiley

    or even Wagyu. I am picking up my Superfast tomorrow. Photos in due course.


    Re: Sport Auto Supertest: 812 Superfast

    RC:
    Carlos from Spain:

    +1 Would take the V12 over any Turbo any day of the week, it is like comparing a 300gr hamburguer to a 150gr sirloin steak.


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    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

    Filet mignon... Smiley Smiley

    That would be the Valkyrie's V12 indecision


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    Re: Sport Auto Supertest: 812 Superfast

    RC:

    When were you on the Nordschleife the last time? 

    The V12 is about emotions, the sound, the throttle response...no turbo engine can give you that. 

    The problem is you feel the inefficiencies of these heavy V12 cars. The lap time transforms into less precise feeling on the road...


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    Carlos from Spain:

    +1 Would take the V12 over any Turbo any day of the week, it is like comparing a 300gr hamburguer to a 150gr sirloin steak.


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    You might have a different view after driving a 812. In theory I understand what you mean. In real life you might get to very different results.


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    crayphile:
    RC:
    Carlos from Spain:

    +1 Would take the V12 over any Turbo any day of the week, it is like comparing a 300gr hamburguer to a 150gr sirloin steak.


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    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

    Filet mignon... Smiley Smiley

    or even Wagyu. I am picking up my Superfast tomorrow. Photos in due course.

    Congrats on the new purchase Crayphile Smiley


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    crayphile:
    RC:
    Carlos from Spain:

    +1 Would take the V12 over any Turbo any day of the week, it is like comparing a 300gr hamburguer to a 150gr sirloin steak.

    Filet mignon... Smiley Smiley

    or even Wagyu. I am picking up my Superfast tomorrow. Photos in due course.

    Congrats ! looking forward to your pics and impressions on it. 


    Re: Sport Auto Supertest: 812 Superfast

    Carlos from Spain:

    +1 Would take the V12 over any Turbo any day of the week, it is like comparing a 300gr hamburguer to a 150gr sirloin steak.


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    Which one is the hamburger?


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    996FourEss:
    Carlos from Spain:

    +1 Would take the V12 over any Turbo any day of the week, it is like comparing a 300gr hamburguer to a 150gr sirloin steak.


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    Which one is the hamburger?

    The one with the muffled sound, the lag and the lowered rev range.


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    Re: Sport Auto Supertest: 812 Superfast

    crayphile:
    RC:
    Carlos from Spain:

    +1 Would take the V12 over any Turbo any day of the week, it is like comparing a 300gr hamburguer to a 150gr sirloin steak.


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    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

    Filet mignon... Smiley Smiley

    or even Wagyu. I am picking up my Superfast tomorrow. Photos in due course.

    Nice! Hope you get some decent weather to go along with it. Smiley


    Re: Sport Auto Supertest: 812 Superfast

    JoeRockhead:
     

    Nice! Hope you get some decent weather to go along with it. Smiley

    Heavy rain forecast unfortunately .


    Re: Sport Auto Supertest: 812 Superfast

    Did a quick scan to calibrate rough relative weights and alleged NBR times and found:

    812        ~3800lb          7:28

    991TTS  ~3600lb          7:17

    488GTB    ~3400lb        7:22

    991GTS     ~3200lb       7:24

    But have generally found track times achieved on track tires by different drivers on different days, etc to be almost theoretical and difficult to meaningfully compare

    However, am more curious how material differences in weight and track times translate to real-world spirited driving enjoyment on street tires especially in such attributes as steering precision; brake pedal feel; possible ability to more smoothly drive 991TTS/GTS in SportPlus mode vs need to manually use paddles in 812/488; chassis/braking responses when temps ~50-55F and face occasional damp patches of road; differential decay rates (and changes in braking/traction performance) of P/F-specified street tires after ~2K mis of use, etc etc


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    Ferrari 812 Superfast

    NBR: 7.28

    HHR: 1,07.8

    Power/Torque output: 773 PS / 713 Nm

    Acceleration:

    0-40: 1,3
    0-100: 3,2
    0-160: 6,0
    0-200: 8,7


    Braking:

    100-0 (Cold): 35,2 m
    100-0 (Warm): 32,6 m
    200-0: 127,8 m

    Slalom 18 m: 71,1 km/h

    Tires: Pirelli P Zero Corsa (275/35/20 + 315/35/20)

    Weight: 1,746 kg

    Total Points: 82 pts


    Re: Sport Auto Supertest: 812 Superfast

    crayphile:
    RC:
    Carlos from Spain:

    +1 Would take the V12 over any Turbo any day of the week, it is like comparing a 300gr hamburguer to a 150gr sirloin steak.


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    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

    Filet mignon... Smiley Smiley

    or even Wagyu. I am picking up my Superfast tomorrow. Photos in due course.

    Wagyu Filet Mignon...Morgan farm...tasty. Have them sent to my house from time to time, when the craving starts to get overwhelming. Smiley Smiley

    Congrats Smiley, can't wait to read about your impressions and see some photos. Smiley 


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    Re: Sport Auto Supertest: 812 Superfast

    RC:
    Carlos from Spain:

    +1 Would take the V12 over any Turbo any day of the week, it is like comparing a 300gr hamburguer to a 150gr sirloin steak.


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    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

    Filet mignon... Smiley Smiley

    Thinking filet mignon is better than a sirloin would be like stating a CL65 is a better car than an 812 Superfast 'because it is more refined.'. Might very well be, but it lacks taste. Smiley


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    Re: Sport Auto Supertest: 812 Superfast

    Porker:
    RC:
    Carlos from Spain:

    +1 Would take the V12 over any Turbo any day of the week, it is like comparing a 300gr hamburguer to a 150gr sirloin steak.


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    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

    Filet mignon... Smiley Smiley

    Thinking filet mignon is better than a sirloin would be like stating a CL65 is a better car than an 812 Superfast 'because it is more refined.'. Might very well be, but it lacks taste. Smiley

    Wyagu Filet Mignon from the Morgan farm...add some Australian river pink salt flakes and...taste buds heaven. Smiley The meat actually dissolves itself in the mouth, you don't have to chew much. Smiley


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    I'm not too much for Wagyu, find it a bit too much of a good thing. I love fat in my meat, but to have a whole piece of Wagyu it's a bit too much IMO. A good Rubia entrecôte and I'm very happy. kiss


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    Re: Sport Auto Supertest: 812 Superfast

    Porker:

    I'm not too much for Wagyu, find it a bit too much of a good thing. I love fat in my meat, but to have a whole piece of Wagyu it's a bit too much IMO. A good Rubia entrecôte and I'm very happy. kiss

    My wife is the same, she says my filets don't have any proper taste but I love them and the kids too, so... Smiley


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    Porker:

    I'm not too much for Wagyu, find it a bit too much of a good thing. I love fat in my meat, but to have a whole piece of Wagyu it's a bit too much IMO. A good Rubia entrecôte and I'm very happykiss

    Ahhhh, Rubia, there it is, someone who knows kiss... The particupar breed destined only for this purpose (and controlled by the Regulatory Council) and how it is grown, makes it the best in the world for steak!


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    Re: Sport Auto Supertest: 812 Superfast

    You guys are why I love coming here--every thread is destined to go off topic, but you can never guess where, especially now that the R8 is almost gone.


    Re: Sport Auto Supertest: 812 Superfast

    Carlos from Spain:
    Porker:

    I'm not too much for Wagyu, find it a bit too much of a good thing. I love fat in my meat, but to have a whole piece of Wagyu it's a bit too much IMO. A good Rubia entrecôte and I'm very happykiss

    Ahhhh, Rubia, there it is, someone who knows kiss... The particupar breed destined only for this purpose (and controlled by the Regulatory Council) and how it is grown, makes it the best in the world for steak!

    Of course the aging is equally as important as the breed or the marbling, the feed or even the finishing feed. 40-50 days dry aged is my personal sweet spot and while grass feed gives a lovely flavour my butcher brings in from a farm that does corn feed and finishes for the last couple of months with alfalfa and pea shoots and it's amazing. 


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    Re: Sport Auto Supertest: 812 Superfast

    RC:
    Congrats Smiley, can't wait to read about your impressions and see some photos. Smiley 

    Very wet here today . I can confirm that where the F12 would have fish tailed the 812 Superfast just spins its wheels in a straight line Smiley. Having driven another car in the dry last year though I can also confirm the Superfast is an all round upgrade on the F12  - less twitchy steering and power put down very controllably and predictably. At high speeds it also feels much more stable than an F12. Looks are always subjective but I don't think its the prettiest of cars, so I went for a spec that I have had in my mind, but was waiting for the right car to do it on. Nero DS, painted shields and  gold wheels. Some subtle dream lines as well. I resisted my normal carbon everywhere tendency and brought it out all to the outside but with a special coarser weave. Some subtle but not overpowering gold accents internally and no carbon but the usual aluminium coloured bits sprayed in matt Nero DS. Some quick iPhone shots, more when its detailed and the weather is better!

    IMG_7204.jpegIMG_7202.jpegIMG_7198 2.jpegIMG_7209.jpeg

    IMG_7206.jpeg1549637583215IMG_7210.jpegIMG_7203.jpeg


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    Congrats. From the first picutres it seems that the spec fits really well to this car, well done! kissI love the painted shield!

    Looking forward to more detailed pictures and driving report.


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    You' ve got such good taste and creativity . Congrats on another stunning speced car kiss


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    Re: Sport Auto Supertest: 812 Superfast

    waiting for PDK:

    You guys are why I love coming here--every thread is destined to go off topic, but you can never guess where, especially now that the R8 is almost gone.

    Wait until the Performante arrives... Smiley Smiley


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    Oh boy, this car looks just...stunning. Smiley Perfect color for the Superfast, great combo as well.

    Enjoy in good health and it is good to hear that Ferrari made the 812 better drivable than the F12, sounds like an amazing upgrade over the F12. Smiley


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