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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    KresoF1:
    artur777:

    Dear Kreso F1, 

    MY-16 will be facelift for Carrera or Turbo?

    Both.

    isn't it a little bit strange that Turbo facelift will be introduced next year? did Porsche decide to improve the car earlier to win the competition? will we see power improvements?


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    The Turbo facelift doesn't come at the same time with the 991 Carrera facelift as far as I heard.

    So 2015...Carrera facelift...2016...Turbo facelift.

    There was a rumor of an autumn 2014 991 Carrera facelift but since the new Targa hasn't introduced the facelift elements/tech, I doubt it will come this year.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    991 Turbo FL will be introduced in autumn 2015. We can bet on this...


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    KresoF1:

    991 Turbo FL will be introduced in autumn 2015. We can bet on this...

    As far as I heard, there won't be any major technical changes until mid 2016. It would be weird to change the exterior but leave the engine and other stuff the same. Smiley

    I heard that GT3, Turbo and the upcoming GT3 RS are getting the facelift in 2016, 2015 will be the year of the Carrera (maybe excluding the Targa, still not clear).


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    RC:

    As far as I heard, there won't be any major technical changes until mid 2016. It would be weird to change the exterior but leave the engine and other stuff the same. Smiley

    I heard that GT3, Turbo and the upcoming GT3 RS are getting the facelift in 2016, 2015 will be the year of the Carrera (maybe excluding the Targa, still not clear).

    Model year or calendar year?


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    apias:
    RC:

    As far as I heard, there won't be any major technical changes until mid 2016. It would be weird to change the exterior but leave the engine and other stuff the same. Smiley

    I heard that GT3, Turbo and the upcoming GT3 RS are getting the facelift in 2016, 2015 will be the year of the Carrera (maybe excluding the Targa, still not clear).

    Model year or calendar year?

    I am always talking about calendar year, unless I mention MY.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    RC:
    KresoF1:

    991 Turbo FL will be introduced in autumn 2015. We can bet on this...

     and the upcoming GT3 RS are getting the facelift in 2016,

    if they wait again a few,will be out before the restyling and then the "older" one...SmileySmiley

    i doubt it will be updated so soon...it is not out yet,but better if his life cicle will be short,the less they make the better is for who have one.SmileySmiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Suzy, thank you very much. Great info + pictures as a bonus!


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    RC:
    KresoF1:

    991 Turbo FL will be introduced in autumn 2015. We can bet on this...

    As far as I heard, there won't be any major technical changes until mid 2016. It would be weird to change the exterior but leave the engine and other stuff the same. Smiley

    I heard that GT3, Turbo and the upcoming GT3 RS are getting the facelift in 2016, 2015 will be the year of the Carrera (maybe excluding the Targa, still not clear).

    very interesting if 991 turbo will be facelifted in 2015... a lot of 991 turbo buyers would be pissed off..... why Porsche should make them so dissapointed?


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    So, you can accept 991 Carrera FL in MY16 with new engines, new MF steering wheel etc but, you can not accept FL for 991 Turbo at the same time?

    Who would want to buy 991 Turbo if you have 991.2 Carrera in offer at the same time(MY16)?

    FL for 991 Turbo in autumn 2015 is fully acceptable for me.  


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    KresoF1:

    So, you can accept 991 Carrera FL in MY16 with new engines, new MF steering wheel etc but, you can not accept FL for 991 Turbo at the same time?

    Who would want to buy 991 Turbo if you have 991.2 Carrera in offer at the same time(MY16)?

    FL for 991 Turbo in autumn 2015 is fully acceptable for me.  

    What do Carrera and Turbo have in common again? Smiley Smiley

    The Turbo was often "behind" the Carrera when it came to facelifts, this is nothing new.

    Also: The new GT3 RS will have the current look, so how would GT3 RS customers feel if one year later, there is a facelift?

    Same goes to GT3 customers who barely drove their car or even haven't received it yet.

    Very unlikely.

    Carrera facelift is coming...Turbo and GT3 facelift...not so much.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Porsche Boxster S (981), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014), BMW X3 35d (2013)


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    I agree with Kreso. Porsche can't bring a Carrera facelift and then wait another year to facelift the Turbo. One would be stupid to buy a Turbo in that year. You'd be buying "the old" car. They really need to facelift the complete 991 range, not just the Carrera. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    SuzyF:

    I agree with Kreso. Porsche can't bring a Carrera facelift and then wait another year to facelift the Turbo. One would be stupid to buy a Turbo in that year. You'd be buying "the old" car. They really need to facelift the complete 991 range, not just the Carrera. 

    They have done it in the past, so why not now? Smiley

    The Turbo and GT models are not Carrera models.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Porsche Boxster S (981), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014), BMW X3 35d (2013)


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    But hey do have the same inside ...... and cost more . So I would be even more pi..ed off if the cheaper / less car has a better interior 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    RC:
    SuzyF:

    I agree with Kreso. Porsche can't bring a Carrera facelift and then wait another year to facelift the Turbo. One would be stupid to buy a Turbo in that year. You'd be buying "the old" car. They really need to facelift the complete 991 range, not just the Carrera. 

    They have done it in the past, so why not now? Smiley

    The Turbo and GT models are not Carrera models.

    I know they've done it in the past, but I still think it's absolutely rediculous. But it seems to be something German brands like to do. BMW does it as well, just like Audi, albeit in a slightly different way (convertibles).

    i just cannot understand that people would still buy a new pre-facelift Turbo, while the Carrera has had its facelift already. No matter how you call it, these are all 991. A Carrera is as much a 991 as a Turbo or a GT3 or a Targa for that matter. 


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    2013 Porsche Boxster S (MT) | Basalt black metallic
    2014 Audi A6 Avant 3.0 BiTDI Quattro | Moonshine blue metallic
     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    Gnil:

    But hey do have the same inside ...... and cost more . So I would be even more pi..ed off if the cheaper / less car has a better interior 

    I think you are confusing facelift with next generation. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    I vote for early face-lift kiss That is good way for customers to get some discount, especially on overpriced Turbo S smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    RC:
    Gnil:

    But hey do have the same inside ...... and cost more . So I would be even more pi..ed off if the cheaper / less car has a better interior 

    I think you are confusing facelift with next generation. Smiley

    Porsche does that as well... Still offering an old Turbo, while the Carrera models are a new generation. Never understood that strategy to be honest.


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    2013 Porsche Boxster S (MT) | Basalt black metallic
    2014 Audi A6 Avant 3.0 BiTDI Quattro | Moonshine blue metallic
     


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    RC:
    Gnil:

    But hey do have the same inside ...... and cost more . So I would be even more pi..ed off if the cheaper / less car has a better interior 

    I think you are confusing facelift with next generation. Smiley

    Smiley..... sorry, exterior . It' s slightly less bad, but still not smart to have the 'fresh' features on the cheaper cars first


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    I couldn't care less since the Turbo looks different than the Carrera (wider butt, rear wing, side air inlets, different rims, different front with active aero, LED lights, etc.).


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Porsche Boxster S (981), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014), BMW X3 35d (2013)


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    RC:

    I couldn't care less since the Turbo looks different than the Carrera (wider butt, side air inlets, LED lights, etc.).

    It's still a 991... But I guess I'm very sensitive fot these kind of things Smiley I hate to drive an "old" car, even if the majority of people doesn't see any differences. The fact that I know it, bothers me. Smiley Unless a car is really old... Like a youngtimer or an oldtimer. Smiley

     


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    SuzyF:
    RC:

    I couldn't care less since the Turbo looks different than the Carrera (wider butt, side air inlets, LED lights, etc.).

    It's still a 991... But I guess I'm very sensitive fot these kind of things Smiley I hate to drive an "old" car, even if the majority of people doesn't see any differences. The fact that I know it, bothers me. Smiley Unless a car is really old... Like a youngtimer or an oldtimer. Smiley

    This may be the reason why the 911 Turbo driver usually thinks a little bit different. When you ask them what they drive, they say 911 Turbo, not 911. For most of "us", the 911 Turbo is...a 911 Turbo, not a 911. I know this may sound weird but when you ask 911 GT3 or GT2 drivers, they usually tell you they drive a GT3 or GT2, not a 911.

    You don't have to understand this but like I said before, I couldn't care less if the Carrera gets a facelift a year earlier or whatever as long as they don't transform it into a Turbo (oh well...they actually do but thats a completely different story Smiley). Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Porsche Boxster S (981), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014), BMW X3 35d (2013)


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    This strategy is also how they capture more market share and keep people "trading up"... it sucks but it is what it is.  It would not surprise me in the least if the Carrera models get the facelift before the Turbo/GT3/GT2 variants.


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    SuzyF:

    I agree with Kreso. Porsche can't bring a Carrera facelift and then wait another year to facelift the Turbo. One would be stupid to buy a Turbo in that year. You'd be buying "the old" car. They really need to facelift the complete 991 range, not just the Carrera. 

    I think, practically, that's a difficult proposition. There are 16 "911" models, which fall into 4 distinct lines,

    • Carrera
    • Carrera 4
    • Turbo
    • GT3

    each one of which is quite different from the other. And that's not even splitting out the cabs. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    keithos27:

    This strategy is also how they capture more market share and keep people "trading up"... it sucks but it is what it is.  It would not surprise me in the least if the Carrera models get the facelift before the Turbo/GT3/GT2 variants.

    Yepp I agree. It's their way of marketing. To me that's also the biggest problem with the 911. Too many different models.

    I've said it before, but I would prefer the line-up without any S-models. Carrera, Carrera 4, Targa, Turbo, GT3, GT2. All cars with the 3.8 and at least 400hp in the Carrera/Targa models. An optional powerkit for the people that want a bit more. Save the 350hp 3.4 for the 981 to give that car more breathing space, which it deserves. Makes the performance gap between 981 to 991 50hp instead of 25....

    OTOH... Who am I to say it's wrong. They're making a serious amount of profit this way. Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    I guess its just me, but I like having choices among lots of variants of the superb 911 core design. In fact, the one thing I don't like is having to buy "packages" that include something I don't care for to get something I want. 

    Re facelift: I have heard (from a factory certified repair shop that has to purchase factory supplied jigs and other repair tools) that there are changes coming under the skin - new lighter materials in the structural and mechanical bits. If so the surgery could include other body parts too!


    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

     

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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    RC:

    What do Carrera and Turbo have in common again? Smiley Smiley


    They are the same car. Smiley

    To the vast majority they are all 911, no matter if they have a clean design or silly wings all around. Smiley
    And IMHO you also can't compare facelift with modelchange. The latter is a real cut with new up to date technologies, but sometimes with a new design to which some customers first must to get used to, whereas the former is basically the same as the pre-facelift model but without the flaws of the first attempt.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

    I will add this-excellent designs do not need FL. There wont be a FL of 458 Italia, Mercedes did not FL of SLS AMG.


     
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