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    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    bluelines:

    981 produced GT4

    991 produced GT3

    One million produced GT3 RS

    indecision

    On a more serious note, it would actually make a lot of sense for Porsche to build more GT3 RS than GT4. The profit margin for the RS must far outweigh the one for the GT4.

    But I cannot believe the 5000-6000 range. I would more guess around 2000.

    You are right about profit margin . Porsche being a commercial business, being smart and efficient, they would push it where you make the money . Good point .

    On my dealer 's floor there is a Carrera 4s priced above what I paid for my RS . Even more money made there . The GT4 is the beast deal , and what you get for your money , no question there . 


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    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    Gnil:
    bluelines:

    981 produced GT4

    991 produced GT3

    One million produced GT3 RS

    indecision

    On a more serious note, it would actually make a lot of sense for Porsche to build more GT3 RS than GT4. The profit margin for the RS must far outweigh the one for the GT4.

    But I cannot believe the 5000-6000 range. I would more guess around 2000.

    On my dealer 's floor there is a Carrera 4s priced above what I paid for my RS . Even more money made there . The GT4 is the beast deal , and what you get for your money , no question there . 

    And don't forget the Boxster Spyder which is the most fun of the lot.


    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    Yes. The profit margin for the 991 Carrera, with much options, must be the best. The sticker price for my C4S was twice that of the GT4. I bet the GT4 now has a higher market value than the C4S.

    In the end they are, as machines, so similar. The same mass produced metal and plastic components, but Porsche gets away with the premium for the 911 due to the intrinsic value.


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    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    crayphile:
    Gnil:
    bluelines:

    981 produced GT4

    991 produced GT3

    One million produced GT3 RS

    indecision

    On a more serious note, it would actually make a lot of sense for Porsche to build more GT3 RS than GT4. The profit margin for the RS must far outweigh the one for the GT4.

    But I cannot believe the 5000-6000 range. I would more guess around 2000.

    On my dealer 's floor there is a Carrera 4s priced above what I paid for my RS . Even more money made there . The GT4 is the beast deal , and what you get for your money , no question there . 

    And don't forget the Boxster Spyder which is the most fun of the lot.

    Yup, and the Spyder will be the biggest winner out of all this from a resale value perspective I think. I heard they only produced about a quarter of GT4 numbers for the Spyder. Not sure how true it is. Anyone knows?


    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    throt:
    bluelines:
    pmarkow:

    i heard 6000 total production. hope this is wrong though.

    Smiley

    I can literally hear the 2nd hand market for the RS free-falling right now. Like a lead balloon Smiley

    Smiley,,,,

    Yep, 5 mins ago they were around £265k for one with around a 1000 miles on the clock..

    Christian better go and hide Smiley Smiley.

    Ah, RHD. The crazy part of the world where people pay huge premiums to have a steering wheel on the other side even though the most valuable cars in the world never do.


    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    bluelines:

    981 produced GT4

    991 produced GT3

    One million produced GT3 RS

    indecision

    On a more serious note, it would actually make a lot of sense for Porsche to build more GT3 RS than GT4. The profit margin for the RS must far outweigh the one for the GT4.

    But I cannot believe the 5000-6000 range. I would more guess around 2000.

    You don't seem to be a Belieber... Smiley

    5000...seriously. I couldn't believe it myself. This car sells amazingly well. According to latest sources, up to 6000 cars could be produced. 5000 is pretty sure.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    Gnil:

    On my dealer 's floor there is a Carrera 4s priced above what I paid for my RS . Even more money made there . The GT4 is the beast deal , and what you get for your money , no question there . 

    Nope, best deal you can get for your money is still the GT3 RS because the value is higher than what you paid.


    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    The best deal was the 918, due to the inclusion in the VIP program in the US.


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    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    RC:

    5000...seriously. I couldn't believe it myself. This car sells amazingly well. According to latest sources, up to 6000 cars could be produced. 5000 is pretty sure.

    Who is this source? pmarkow? Smiley


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    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    I thought that GT production capacities are limited and now, they produce the cars as if the had revived the Valmet or Osnabrück facilities...


    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    RC:
    bluelines:
    fritz:
    They now seem to be casting off the niche-model mantle and becoming a mainstay of the 911 range. 

    The niche-model has been reserved for the GT4 Smiley

    This is actually interesting: I haven't heard anything about another GT4. So the real winners could actually be the GT4 owners, not the RS owners...in the sense of resale value. Still would love to see a GT4 RS or a GT4.2 (the 430 hp powerkit engine would be amazing, even with a few horses less...) but I guess this time, Porsche won't make it a bargain. The GT4 sold too well to keep the "low" price tag intact. Smiley On the other hand, this price tag actually made it attractive for so many buyers...time will tell.

    Maybe thy don't know where to source a cost effective NA engine from.....


    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    bluelines:
    RC:

    5000...seriously. I couldn't believe it myself. This car sells amazingly well. According to latest sources, up to 6000 cars could be produced. 5000 is pretty sure.

    Who is this source? pmarkow? Smiley

    RC has stated 5000 GT3RS originally then i have 'upped' to 6000. RC then has mentioned the same number as possible. and if you read my posting carefully i have reported it as a rumor which i have heard. i believe RC and my sources are different.

     


    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    If it really is 5000 then I wonder where all the cars have gone.

    Per the ratio of allocations my own dealer got, which is the 2nd largest in Canada, the numbers seems to be around 3000-3500


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    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    There are over 20 cars for immediate delivery in Germany. All by "Grey" Dealers, prices between 250k € to 340k €, depending on options and exterior color. There are even few cars in PTS, Basalt Black Metallic and Miami Blue for example.  

    So, Speculators fever has become bigger...


    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    pmarkow:
    bluelines:
    RC:

    5000...seriously. I couldn't believe it myself. This car sells amazingly well. According to latest sources, up to 6000 cars could be produced. 5000 is pretty sure.

    Who is this source? pmarkow? Smiley

    RC has stated 5000 GT3RS originally then i have 'upped' to 6000. RC then has mentioned the same number as possible. and if you read my posting carefully i have reported it as a rumor which i have heard. i believe RC and my sources are different.

    I simply found it intriguing that RC wrote 5000, then you upped it to 6000 and then RC upped it to 6000 too. All within a few minutes of each other Smiley


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    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    bluelines:
    pmarkow:
    bluelines:
    RC:

    5000...seriously. I couldn't believe it myself. This car sells amazingly well. According to latest sources, up to 6000 cars could be produced. 5000 is pretty sure.

    Who is this source? pmarkow? Smiley

    RC has stated 5000 GT3RS originally then i have 'upped' to 6000. RC then has mentioned the same number as possible. and if you read my posting carefully i have reported it as a rumor which i have heard. i believe RC and my sources are different.

    I simply found it intriguing that RC wrote 5000, then you upped it to 6000 and then RC upped it to 6000 too. All within a few minutes of each other Smiley

    true....i still hope it is not true. who would have thought that the GT3.1 will be the most rare of the 991 GT cars?


    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    pmarkow:

    true....i still hope it is not true. who would have thought that the GT3.1 will be the most rare of the 991 GT cars?

    Heh. True.

    I guess the engine problems and production stop are mainly to blame for this. Otherwise I am sure the GT3 cars would have outnumbered the RS cars.


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    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    Whoopsy:

    If it really is 5000 then I wonder where all the cars have gone.

    Per the ratio of allocations my own dealer got, which is the 2nd largest in Canada, the numbers seems to be around 3000-3500

    The car has been in production less then a year . Maybe 11 month . 

    If they have built 5000, that would be about 450 cars per month .... Pretty hard to believe .

    Prices have come down on the Swiss grey market . They still range from CHF 240k to over 300k , but a few month back the cheapest was 260k  ( so the cheapest is now only about 25k over list price )

    On the other hand GT4's seem to have come up a little bit 


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 

     


    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    bluelines:
    pmarkow:

    true....i still hope it is not true. who would have thought that the GT3.1 will be the most rare of the 991 GT cars?

    Heh. True.

    I guess the engine problems and production stop are mainly to blame for this. Otherwise I am sure the GT3 cars would have outnumbered the RS cars.

    you are right. PAG just cut short the original plan for GT3 production numbers. they stopped early with the GT3s production because of the serious issues with the 3.8 engine and shifted the numbers over to the RS. money comes in one way or the other.


    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    Gnil:

    On the other hand GT4's seem to have come up a little bit 

    Those GT4s seem to be on the grey market. No official dealers last time I checked. I guess most of them speculators.

    Having said that, it will be interesting to see what happens now when the production stops and no more cars will be delivered. Will the grey market clear up? Are people paying 25% above list price? Then where does it go?


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    2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | Sport Chrono | SPASM


    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    Gnil:
    If they have built 5000, that would be about 450 cars per month .... Pretty hard to believe .

     

     

    450 per month would be about 15% of their current daily total output in Stuttgart (approx. 320 cars per day).


    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    Gnil:
    Whoopsy:

    If it really is 5000 then I wonder where all the cars have gone.

    Per the ratio of allocations my own dealer got, which is the 2nd largest in Canada, the numbers seems to be around 3000-3500

    The car has been in production less then a year . Maybe 11 month . 

    If they have built 5000, that would be about 450 cars per month .... Pretty hard to believe .

    Prices have come down on the Swiss grey market . They still range from CHF 240k to over 300k , but a few month back the cheapest was 260k  ( so the cheapest is now only about 25k over list price )

    On the other hand GT4's seem to have come up a little bit 


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 

     

    i did not say that they have already produced 5000 GT3RS. production is still ongoing and possibly still for a while. up to now i'd guess 2500 or so. remember production was supposed to stop in june, now people have allocations for october.


    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    pmarkow:
    bluelines:
    RC:

    5000...seriously. I couldn't believe it myself. This car sells amazingly well. According to latest sources, up to 6000 cars could be produced. 5000 is pretty sure.

    Who is this source? pmarkow? Smiley

    RC has stated 5000 GT3RS originally then i have 'upped' to 6000. RC then has mentioned the same number as possible. and if you read my posting carefully i have reported it as a rumor which i have heard. i believe RC and my sources are different.

     

    I may not have paid attention to all your posts Smiley but I said that so far, 5000 cars seem to have been produced or are planned to make it into production but another rumor indicates that when RS production ends, the number may be more close to 6000. Right now it seems that you cannot order a new car anymore, unless the dealer has a production slot available. No matter which number is right, the RS is certainly not a very rare car and the 5000 seems to be quite sure.


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    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    GT3RS was introduced Geneva last year. That's when the order book officially open and people can config the car. So say the production started last April, 8 months last year and if they do indeed continue the production till the end of this year, then another 11 months. The GT3RS can only exists as a 2016 model, so it would have been in production for a total of 19 months. Minus some holiday times and say 18 full months of production run. That's about 270 cars a month in order to hit 5000. Sort of doable. 

    But say if they indeed are doing 270 cars a month, right now there should be around 2700 cars on the road. But it would seems there is perhaps quite a bit less than that on the road right now, judging from the market. Maybe 2000 might be the closer number or even less than that. and If we use 200 cars a month as the number, then the whole run of GT3RS will amount to ~3500, right where it should be.


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    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    Gnil:
    Whoopsy:

    If it really is 5000 then I wonder where all the cars have gone.

    Per the ratio of allocations my own dealer got, which is the 2nd largest in Canada, the numbers seems to be around 3000-3500

    The car has been in production less then a year . Maybe 11 month . 

    If they have built 5000, that would be about 450 cars per month .... Pretty hard to believe .

    Prices have come down on the Swiss grey market . They still range from CHF 240k to over 300k , but a few month back the cheapest was 260k  ( so the cheapest is now only about 25k over list price )

    On the other hand GT4's seem to have come up a little bit 


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     964 Carrera 4 --  997.2 C2S , -20mm --  991 GT3 RS 

     

    A friend who visited production in Zuffenhausen a short while ago told me that basically every second or third car he saw in production on that day was a GT3 RS. So quite possible. Smiley


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    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    RC:

    A friend who visited production in Zuffenhausen a short while ago told me that basically every second or third car he saw in production on that day was a GT3 RS. So quite possible. Smiley

    Smiley

    Is Porsche running a boiler room in Zuffenhausen? A "pump and dump" of the GT3 RS Smiley Smiley


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    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    bluelines:
    RC:

    A friend who visited production in Zuffenhausen a short while ago told me that basically every second or third car he saw in production on that day was a GT3 RS. So quite possible. Smiley

    Smiley

    Is Porsche running a boiler room in Zuffenhausen? A "pump and dump" of the GT3 RS Smiley Smiley

    The RS is an amazing car, I just wish I could have gone for one but my previous "adventures" kind of limited my car budget, so I have only one single shot at something special in the future. Smiley I can understand why Porsche built so many, I wish they did the same with the 911 R...or better with a PDK equipped 911 R. The Speedster based on the 911 R won't cut it since it is rumored to be limited production as well. Smiley


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    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    Why couldn't they have produced more 911R instead? The margin would be similar!


    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    WAY:

    Why couldn't they have produced more 911R instead? The margin would be similar!

    The 911 R limitation made a lot of people mad...

    I am more disappointed with the fact that the 911 R doesn't offer PDK and/or rear seats. Smiley


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    Re: 991 GT3 RS

    WAY:

    Why couldn't they have produced more 911R instead? The margin would be similar!

    Because they ran out of spare parts, aluminum wheel paint and decals Smiley


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