Crown

Board: Porsche - Panamera Language: English Region: Worldwide Share/Save/Bookmark Close

Forum - Thread


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    Upsa:

    Great...thanks! I haven't seen any in Dubai yet, I suppose we'll start spotting them in November or thereabouts. The big craze here these days is the Bentayga (which I don't much care for, to be honest, but whatever the Royal family patronizes is in vogue - they've apparently ordered 50 Bentaygas). So much for the G Wagen which has been the vehicle of choice

    Hated the Bentayga in photos; saw it live on our dealer floor here in Kuwait and although it looks better, it's still quite vulgar and heavy-handed. The Middle East'll eat it up though.

    Also - "ruling family." Try all they want and call themselves whatever they like but they ain't royalty. Smiley

    rulesdontapply


    --

     

    2008 Porsche Boxster S PDE2
    2012 Porsche Cayenne S [gone but never forgotten]

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    Saw the Bentley at the auto show, it doesn't look great...


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    SciFrog:

    Saw the Bentley at the auto show, it doesn't look great...

    I was last week at the Bentley dealer. My wife loves loves loves it. I think it is just ugly. The interior is beautiful, no doubt! But - the dealer told me about 18 months delivery time. So it seems Bentley did something right Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    The car is a bit bulky, but so are Bentleys overall.  For buyers who want to spend upwards of $250,000  for luxury, power and presence, it's a nice choice.  Much more usable, and just as luxurious, as the Maybach.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    Wonderbar:

    The car is a bit bulky, but so are Bentleys overall.  For buyers who want to spend upwards of $250,000  for luxury, power and presence, it's a nice choice.  Much more usable, and just as luxurious, as the Maybach.

    In the States, it does look that big.  A Range Rover looks diminutive next to a Cadillac Escalade or Ford Raptor. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    Saw a white Bentayga at my Audi/Lambo dealer and actually liked how it looked in this color.

    However, I consider this car's design to be tasteless, it just reminds me of Porsche's first Cayenne (955). 

    For the targeted market(s), this car is certainly OK (it makes a point...) but I would never get one, no matter what, even if I had tens of millions. Just not my thing...reminds me too much of a good cigar and a nice Scotch and a nice brown leather sofa but I neither smoke nor drink alcohol and I prefer modern furniture, if you get my point.

    To be honest, I am a bit disappointed with the Bentayga because I really like how the Continental Coupe looks.


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    I read somewhere that the new model Continental design is expected to be spectacular. Not sure when it will be released though


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    I hope not "spectacular" the Bentayga way.

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    url.jpg


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    2018-Bentley-Continental-GT.jpg


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    Upsa:

    2018-Bentley-Continental-GT.jpg

    Amanzing, best GT coupe outhere reagarding design


    --

    J.Seven

     

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    J.Seven:
    Upsa:

    2018-Bentley-Continental-GT.jpg

    Amanzing, best GT coupe outhere reagarding design

    The interior is even better. 


    --

    Past-President, Porsche Club of America - Upper Canada Region


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    Panamera Turbo S out testing? Seems likely if the Turbo S is rumoured to get the hybrid tech. This mule got the Turbo exhaust pipes at least...


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    Looks great in this spec. New Sport Design package, Volcano grey paint, tinted rear lights etc. And those PCCB brakes are massive!


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    The headlights are to big for my taste while the back looks like an Audi. I belive real life this car must look classy and better than on pics but the first generation had more character, it was more unique.


    --

     

    J.Seven

     

     

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    J.Seven:

    The headlights are to big for my taste while the back looks like an Audi. I belive real life this car must look classy and better than on pics but the first generation had more character, it was more unique.

    The current look of the Panamera is how the Panamera should have looked from the start. I agree, it is a bit too much perfection but I think that whoever has money and wants a nice luxury sedan will choose the new Panamera over the S class or 7 series.


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    IMHO Porsche made a huge mistake trying to fight against the high end luxury sedans. The best they could had done was fit a shorter wheelbase, which makes more sense.

    From an aesthetic point of view the Panamera is, by far, the ugliest car of the segment. Lacks of class and proportions and, to me, it looks like a cheap chinese design overall.

    Performance wise it could be the best in its class but who the hell is looking for excitement at the wheel in a car like this? Normally all you want is a very comfortable ride and power enough to cruising relaxed. Honestly I don't see any potential customer of S Class - 7 Series - A8 - XJ - Mulsanne - Phantom switching to this one.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    alexalex88:

    IMHO Porsche made a huge mistake trying to fight against the high end luxury sedans. The best they could had done was fit a shorter wheelbase, which makes more sense.

    From an aesthetic point of view the Panamera is, by far, the ugliest car of the segment. Lacks of class and proportions and, to me, it looks like a cheap chinese design overall.

    Seriously? I was always thinking the same about the BMW 7 series or even the S class, I could never stand the Jags. Bentley Continental maybe, the Mulsanne is a bit too classic for me but I love the Ghost, the Phantom not so much. In my opinion, the new Panamera is the most beautiful sedan in it's class but I still wouldn't buy it because I am done with sedans (a personal decision, nothing against the Panamera).

    Performance wise it could be the best in its class but who the hell is looking for excitement at the wheel in a car like this? Normally all you want is a very comfortable ride and power enough to cruising relaxed. Honestly I don't see any potential customer of S Class - 7 Series - A8 - XJ - Mulsanne - Phantom switching to this one.

    So many potential customers worldwide, not all sedan drivers want comfort only, they also want sportiness.

    I guess it is a matter of personal needs, preference and maybe even taste. 
     

    Comfort? Well, for comfort, I would get the Ghost. My favorite. The Panamera combines everything...luxury...sportiness and...comfort. Perfect for sedan lovers.


    --

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    I think it depends on what the buyer is looking for, what they want out of the car, what image they want to project. Based purely on appearance,

    • S Class - 7 Series - A8 - XJ -- staid, conservative transportation
    • Mulsanne - Phantom - Ghost -- a completely different level of "conservative" car, opulent but very tastefully so
    • Panamera -- sportier than the others, but maybe trying too hard in the front to look that way

    But, I think the biggest problem with the Panamera is that it looks so generic in the rear, like an Audi A7. The "hump" at least gave it some character, and, although I haven't seen the new ones in person (only pics) it looks like they tarted up the front a bit while making the rear more bland. On the other hand, how many "sporty" looking sedans are there out there that it is competing against? So maybe it's found a good niche.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    Post quotation bug has struck again Smiley.

    alexalex88 wrote: 
    "IMHO Porsche made a huge mistake trying to fight against the high end luxury sedans. The best they could had done was fit a shorter wheelbase, which makes more sense.
    From an aesthetic point of view the Panamera is, by far, the ugliest car of the segment. Lacks of class and proportions and, to me, it looks like a cheap chinese design overall.
    Performance wise it could be the best in its class but who the hell is looking for excitement at the wheel in a car like this? Normally all you want is a very comfortable ride and power enough to cruising relaxed. Honestly I don't see any potential customer of S Class - 7 Series - A8 - XJ - Mulsanne - Phantom switching to this one".


     

    When the Panamera was first announced many others thought the same way as you. I remember we were particularly sceptical here on Rennteam that the markets would absorb Porsche's declared target of 20,000 units per year of this model. We were wrong. You can't argue with success in a situation like this. 


    --

    fritz


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    @RC The driver who is looking for excitement behind the wheel doesn't drive a car like this. I don't see any S Class or Ghost driver pushing hard in a secondary road, making the tires scream and so. All they want is, as I said, comfort and power, but power for a different purpouse than be the fastest in opening gas at the exit of the corner. At least this is how I understand this segment.

    @fritz Maybe the numbers (wheelbase, length) say that I'm wrong but I have the impression that the first Panamera fought against executive cars, this is: 5 series, E class, A6... If so, then Porsche did it right to my eyes with the first version and my theory that they are screwing it up trying to battle the big brothers stands.

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    The Panamera was always competing at a higher level than the 5 series or the E Class. They were supposedly devloping the Pajun (Panamera Junior - not the real name) to compete with the BMW 5 series or MB E Class, but it sounds like the project is on a indefinite hold...


    --

    2016 Carrera 4 GTS Jet Black,

    2016 Macan Turbo Agata Grey,

    2012 Infiniti G370 Grey,

    2014 Mercedes E350 Steel Gray


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    I really like this new generation, it's what the first one should have looked like... now instead we see these ugly ducklings running around for years to come 


    --

    1991 BMW 535i Granitsilber/White Leather

    Ex: '91 BMW 318i, '89 BMW 525i, '74 Mercedes-Benz 280E, '87 BMW 325is, '86 BMW 325e, '05 Ford Focus ZX4 S, '85.5 Porsche 944

    
    

    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    Ahh... dreaming...

    Panamera 928.PNG


    --

    Past-President, Porsche Club of America - Upper Canada Region


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    The 928 was so beautiful, years ahead of its time. I bet if they came up with a modern rendition of the same shape it would be a massive success! 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    Mithras:

    Ahh... dreaming...

    Panamera 928.PNG

    I'm not a fan of the looks of the original 928, but that top rendering of a " modern"  concept is stunning. I suppose the question I ask myself is:  Would Porsche really produce something that good looking?


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    They would have better off skipping the C-pillar completely. It just looks awkward, very different than the original 928


    --

     

     



    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    neunelf:

    Looking great

    http://www.motor1.com/news/94311/2017-porsche-panamera-turbo-looks-dynamic-on-the-street/

    definitely better than before. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: New Panamera (2016)

    yes please! 


    --

    1991 BMW 535i Granitsilber/White Leather

    Ex: '91 BMW 318i, '89 BMW 525i, '74 Mercedes-Benz 280E, '87 BMW 325is, '86 BMW 325e, '05 Ford Focus ZX4 S, '85.5 Porsche 944

    
    

     
    Edit

    Forum

    Board Subject Last post Rating Views Replies
    Porsche Sticky SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA 2/14/19 1:26 AM
    watt
    331110 2045
    Porsche Sticky The moment I've been waiting for... 2/21/19 10:38 AM
    RCA
     
     
     
     
     
    218657 1125
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: 991.2 GT3 RS (2018) 2/21/19 6:45 PM
    Porsche-Jeck
    146265 2580
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: The new Porsche 992 – a design icon and high-tech sports car 2/21/19 3:55 PM
    the-missile
    62672 822
    Porsche Sticky Paint protection film 2/18/19 9:28 AM
    RCA
    16328 149
    Porsche Sticky Child seats in a 991 11/29/18 3:43 PM
    RCA
    14691 35
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: 992 Carrera Cabriolet 2/18/19 11:28 AM
    RCA
    10258 127
    Porsche Sticky Welcome to Rennteam: Cars and Coffee... (photos) 2/18/19 8:51 PM
    Boxster Coupe GTS
    3293 60
    Porsche OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S 1/4/19 7:02 PM
    Topspeed
    486948 4255
    Porsche OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017) 2/19/19 11:40 PM
    4trac
    422680 5222
    Porsche 992 (Next 911 generation 2019/2020) Thread Closed 11/29/18 11:38 AM
    RCA
    318168 3195
    Porsche OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016) 12/31/18 2:19 AM
    DJM48
    286733 2598
    Porsche Cayman GT4 2/19/19 8:00 PM
    dreamcar
    280941 2760
    Porsche OFFICIAL: 911 GT2 RS (2017) 1/30/19 3:10 AM
    ha
    219683 2777
    Ferrari 488 GTB/GTS 1/17/19 8:13 PM
    GoHardGT3RS
    195651 1789
    McLaren McLaren on a winning streak 2/18/19 10:28 AM
    RCA
    191712 3355
    Others Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016 model) - Review (updated Feb 13th 2017) 12/17/18 12:42 PM
    RCA
    157872 2491
    Porsche Boxster Spyder (981) 8/31/18 10:25 AM
    WAY
    144633 757
    Ferrari Ferrari F12 Berlinetta / 599 GTO Successor 5/22/18 9:16 PM
    RCA
    113034 789
    Others VW caught cheating emissions tests 5/3/18 7:52 PM
    CGX car nut
    107944 871
    Porsche Porsche Mission E - the future of Porsche? 2/18/19 1:00 PM
    RCA
    99198 1370
    Porsche Donor vehicle for Singer Vehicle Design 12/7/18 10:15 PM
    Boxster Coupe GTS
    68859 673
    Others Tesla Roadster 2/21/19 8:10 PM
    SciFrog
    57682 1736
    Porsche OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Carrera GTS models 11/3/18 11:09 AM
    bluelines
    48444 477
    Others Tesla Model X Thread Closed 2/23/18 3:41 PM
    RCA
    43589 1122
    AMG AMG GT R 11/30/18 4:10 PM
    RCA
    43152 605
    Lambo Aventador and SV 11/19/18 8:31 AM
    RCA
    40877 472
    Porsche OFFICIAL: New 991.2 Turbo S Exclusive Series (2017) 12/4/18 3:17 PM
    BiTurbo
    40641 650
    AMG Mercedes E63 S AMG (2018) - Short Review (updated on a regular basis) 2/14/19 1:44 PM
    RCA
    40306 387
    Porsche OFFICIAL: New Porsche Carrera T 12/13/18 2:27 PM
    RCA
    39238 804
    270 items found, displaying 1 to 30.