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    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    WW, a word of caution, your tone to other members in your posts may be permited in other forums but if you stick around you will see that this is not "another forum". The enviroment here is friendly and constructive.

    So in the future state your arguments without making derrogatory expressions to other members.

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    These Z06 threads bring the worst out of some people...

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Quote:
    Carlos from Spain said:
    WW, a word of caution, your tone to other members in your posts may be permited in other forums but if you stick around you will see that this is not "another forum". The enviroment here is friendly and constructive.

    So in the future state your arguments without making derrogatory expressions to other members.



    Thank you Carlos !

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    EDIT by Carlos:
    You had been warned. This behaviour will not be tolerated.


    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

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    RC said:
    May I jump in again and end this discussion?

    As long as there is no back to back review of both cars, we should be careful with our claims. I have some information which would shed some light into this whole discussion but I can't use it and to be honest, I don't want to use it because we would start "argueing" again.

    Just wait for a real review in a car magazine. I bet there will be magazines where the Z06 is faster and there will be others where the 997 Turbo will be faster. But to give you a little hint of what to expect (and this information is based on FACTS and COMPARISON and not just rumors): a 997 Turbo with manual stands no chance against the Z06 on the straight line but on the other hand, the Z06 looses on the track (Hockenheim and Nordschleife). And to give you another hint: we'll do a REAL LIFE back to back comparison between a 997 Turbo Tiptronic and Corvette Z06 sometimes in July this year. Because of the difference in driving skills/experience/etc., we can't do a track comparison (a comparison with different drivers would be stupid). But at least you guys get an idea of straight line performance.
    I just hope that the Z06 owner, who happens to be a member of our Rennteam Germany team, doesn't tune his car til then (as he already planned).



    I guess you want to jump in and end this discussion by stating that the Z06 looses on the track. And you say it is based on facts and comparisons, not rumors. And, of course you do NOT state where thes facts and comparisons come from!!! So I will once again state that the Z did the ring in 7:42.9 with no mods except for the seat and a 3 point harness. No engine mods...no tire mods (Goodyear OEM runflats), no suspension mods and NO rolling start. This is doccummnted in 2 rags (Corvette Quarterly and Sports Car Magazine), and one is by the driver (Jan Magnuson).
    So if its time for you to end this, please don't bring your biased views into play.

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

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    RonnieC6Z said:
    Quote:
    RC said:
    May I jump in again and end this discussion?

    As long as there is no back to back review of both cars, we should be careful with our claims. I have some information which would shed some light into this whole discussion but I can't use it and to be honest, I don't want to use it because we would start "argueing" again.

    Just wait for a real review in a car magazine. I bet there will be magazines where the Z06 is faster and there will be others where the 997 Turbo will be faster. But to give you a little hint of what to expect (and this information is based on FACTS and COMPARISON and not just rumors): a 997 Turbo with manual stands no chance against the Z06 on the straight line but on the other hand, the Z06 looses on the track (Hockenheim and Nordschleife). And to give you another hint: we'll do a REAL LIFE back to back comparison between a 997 Turbo Tiptronic and Corvette Z06 sometimes in July this year. Because of the difference in driving skills/experience/etc., we can't do a track comparison (a comparison with different drivers would be stupid). But at least you guys get an idea of straight line performance.
    I just hope that the Z06 owner, who happens to be a member of our Rennteam Germany team, doesn't tune his car til then (as he already planned).



    I guess you want to jump in and end this discussion by stating that the Z06 looses on the track. And you say it is based on facts and comparisons, not rumors. And, of course you do NOT state where thes facts and comparisons come from!!! So I will once again state that the Z did the ring in 7:42.9 with no mods except for the seat and a 3 point harness. No engine mods...no tire mods (Goodyear OEM runflats), no suspension mods and NO rolling start. This is doccummnted in 2 rags (Corvette Quarterly and Sports Car Magazine), and one is by the driver (Jan Magnuson).
    So if its time for you to end this, please don't bring your biased views into play.



    I will respectfully say that it has been stated REPEATEDLY, in response to YOUR POSTS that the 7:42.9 lap time was achieved with a flying start. A realistic time would be at least five seconds slower.

    WW:
    I like your "please-get-me-banned" style a lot. In case you haven't noticed, this is a board, based on mutual respect. Can't live with that? Fine. But don't show up here again if you intend to call people with derogatory names.

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    I feel like Rennteam just got invaded by frustrated members of the Autoworkers Union, gadzooks.

    No more 997TT vs. Z06 threads anymore for the sake of our sanity, and the integrity of this board!

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Quote:
    ajcastaneda said:
    I feel like Rennteam just got invaded by frustrated members of the Autoworkers Union, gadzooks.

    No more 997TT vs. Z06 threads anymore for the sake of our sanity, and the integrity of this board!



    Too late. I feel like General Custer at Little Big horn: "How the hell did this happen?!"

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Lets see if we can keep these vette threads respectful and friendly guys.

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Quote:
    Carlos from Spain said:
    Lets see if we can keep these vette threads respectful and friendly guys.



    If everyone would stick to the tone of my original post, there would be no problem!

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

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    turbolite said:
    Quote:
    Carlos from Spain said:
    Lets see if we can keep these vette threads respectful and friendly guys.



    If everyone would stick to the tone of my original post, there would be no problem!



    Agreed.

    Besides, the TRUE American supercars are the Saleen S7 TT and the Mosler MT900S, nicely reviewed in the April 2006 C&D. Some acceleration numbers C&D clocked, sufficient to send the 'Vette lovers into spasm:

    Saleen S7 Garrett GT35R twin-turbocharged to 6.0psi 750bhp/700lb-ft/2,968lb curb weight:
    0-60mph 3.4
    0-100mph 6.2
    Standing to quarter 10.9 trapped @ 140mph

    Mosler MT900S Magnuson supercharger, Eaton, Roots type to 6.0psi/intercooled 600bhp/557lb-ft/2,539lb curb weight:
    0-60mph 3.1 (starting in second gear )
    0-100mph 6.5
    Standing to quarter 11.0 at 135mph-in comparison, my juiced-up 996TTS is rated for the quarter in a "paltry" 11.4 at a "sluggish" 126mph.

    Now I say it's time to put this ZO6 obsession to sleep.

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

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    Now I say it's time to put this ZO6 obsession to sleep.



    It's just begun...

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    It has just begun.

    The Z06 has obviously upset many people, one of the longest running threads on Rennteam.

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Here is something for comparison:
    Corvetter Z06 AMS 6/2006
    0-100km/h: 4.0s
    0-160km/h: 7.9s
    0-200km/h:11.9s
    60-100km/h: 4.0s/6.0s(4/5)
    80-120km/h: 6.1s/11.1s(5/6)
    1.-98km/h 2.-146km/h 3.-202km/h 4.-264km/h 5.-320km/h(6250rpm) 6. way tooo long(320km/h at 4100rpm!!??)
    weight: 1453kg

    Carrera CGT AMS 23/2003

    0-100km/h: 3.8s
    0-160km/h: 7.3s
    0-200km/h:10.9s
    60-100km/h: 3.8s/4.8s(4/5)
    80-120km/h: 4.6s/6.3s(5/6)
    1.-81km/h 2.-139km/h 3.-181km/h 4.-237km/h 5.-282km/h 6.-330km/h(at 8300rpm)
    weight 1472kg

    Lamborghini Gallardo(500hp model)
    AMS 23/2003

    0-100km/h: 4.2s
    0-160km/h: 9.0s
    0-200km/h:13.8s
    60-100km/h: 4.8s/6.2s(4/5)
    80-120km/h: 6.3s/8.1s(5/6)
    1.-105km/h 2.-147km/h 3.-194km/h 4.-240km/h 5.-291km/h 6.-309km/h(at 7400rpm)
    weight: 1612kg

    These data are for comparison only... But, it seems that Gallardo is torque king! New MY2006 version with shorter gear ratios(first 27% shorter...) should be even faster and more impressive with 520hp. Any way since AMS will be the first mag that will test 997 Turbo lets wait for that...

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

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    Branimir said:
    Here is something for comparison:
    Corvetter Z06 AMS 6/2006
    0-100km/h: 4.0s
    0-160km/h: 7.9s
    0-200km/h:11.9s
    60-100km/h: 4.0s/6.0s(4/5)
    80-120km/h: 6.1s/11.1s(5/6)
    1.-98km/h 2.-146km/h 3.-202km/h 4.-264km/h 5.-320km/h(6250rpm) 6. way tooo long(320km/h at 4100rpm!!??)
    weight: 1453kg

    Carrera CGT AMS 23/2003

    0-100km/h: 3.8s
    0-160km/h: 7.3s
    0-200km/h:10.9s
    60-100km/h: 3.8s/4.8s(4/5)
    80-120km/h: 4.6s/6.3s(5/6)
    1.-81km/h 2.-139km/h 3.-181km/h 4.-237km/h 5.-282km/h 6.-330km/h(at 8300rpm)
    weight 1472kg

    Lamborghini Gallardo(500hp model)
    AMS 23/2003

    0-100km/h: 4.2s
    0-160km/h: 9.0s
    0-200km/h:13.8s
    60-100km/h: 4.8s/6.2s(4/5)
    80-120km/h: 6.3s/8.1s(5/6)
    1.-105km/h 2.-147km/h 3.-194km/h 4.-240km/h 5.-291km/h 6.-309km/h(at 7400rpm)
    weight: 1612kg

    These data are for comparison only... But, it seems that Gallardo is torque king! New MY2006 version with shorter gear ratios(first 27% shorter...) should be even faster and more impressive with 520hp. Any way since AMS will be the first mag that will test 997 Turbo lets wait for that...



    Sorry Branimir, I dont quite understand how you come to the conlusion that the Gallardo is a torque king.

    If you draw the conclusion from the in gear acceleration times that is not correct, because the Z06 reaches top speed in 5th. So in order to do an apples to apples comparison you have to look at the z06s 4th and 5th gear versus the lambos 5th and 6th.

    So while the Gallardo takes 8.1 secs from 80-120 in 6th (top speed gear), the z06 takes just 6.1 secs in 5th (top speed gear), which shows a strong superiority by the Corvette. That engine must pull like an ox no matter what gear you are in!

    The Turbo 997 will probably be closer to the z06 numbers than to the Gallardo's.. , we'll know soon - hopefully!!

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Turbolite, you may be right... But, Gallardo engine have impressive torque for high reving engine...
    Here are two more for comparison:

    BMW M6 AMS 12/2005

    0-100km/h: 4.2s
    0-160km/h: 8.7s
    0-200km/h:13.0s
    60-100km/h: 4.4s/5.8s/6.7s(4/5/6)
    80-120km/h: 5.5s/6.7s/9.4s(5/6/7)
    1.-71km/h 2.-108km/h 3.-160km/h 4.-207km/h 5.-247km/h 6.-281km/h 7.-305km/h(at 7350rpm with 07ME option)
    weight: 1760kg
    One thing-M6 is capable to reach over 330km/h at 8300rpm but, BMW do not allow that because of aerodynamics and tires.

    Ferrari F430F1 AMS 9/2005

    0-100km/h: 3.9s
    0-160km/h: 8.6s
    0-200km/h:13.0s
    60-100km/h: 3.7s/5.1s(4/5)
    80-120km/h: 4.5s/7.3s(5/6)
    1.-77km/h 2.-120km/h 3.-159km/h 4.-199km/h 5.-243km/h 6.-316km/h(at 8850rpm)
    weight: 1488kg

    Also here are data from M6 Sport Auto Supertest:

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    thanks for the data! do you have the same AMS set at hand for the 996tt by any chance?

    cheers

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Here we go...

    996 Turbo(X50 kit-450Hp) AMS 25/2002(comparison with SL55)

    0-100km/h: 3.8s(!!)
    0-160km/h: 8.2s
    0-200km/h:12.4s(!!)
    Unfortunately no in-gear data...
    Weight: 1578kg

    996 Turbo Cabrio(420Hp) AMS 19/2003

    0-100km/h: 4.3s
    0-160km/h: 9.5s
    0-200km/h:14.6s
    60-100km/h: 4.4s/6.2s(4/5)
    80-120km/h: 5.1s/7.4s(5/6)
    1.-60km/h 2.-115km/h 3.-162km/h 4.-206km/h 5.-250km/h 6.-305km/h(at 6600rpm)
    Weight: 1660kg

    So, pretty impressive for 996 Turbo with X50? If new 997 Turbo(manual with optional LSD) is not faster then old 996 Turbo(manual,X50) then I do not know what to say...
    Old 996 Turbo(manual,X50) or 996 Turbo S is fast as new 997 Turbo with TIP, at leas on paper...

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    ok, I will say it now again: the carrera GT dissapoints..its should do 160 in mid 6's and even the brochure says 200 KPH in 9.9, its a full second off!

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    The test you are referring to (996tt Kit) should not be the reference. I believe Porsche was pretty mad at DCX for screwing a "SLR development engine" into a ordinary SL55, take it to Nardo (AMS test) and beat cars like the GT2 in acceleration.

    I think for this particular test Porsche also supplied a very healthy engine - at least 500hp in my opinion

    The 997tt (tip) will be substantially faster than the 996tt kit manual, no questions about that.

    OAB

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    I'm surprised there hasn't been a post starting up a CGT vs. Z06 discussion

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Quote:
    bostonmini said:
    ok, I will say it now again: the carrera GT dissapoints..its should do 160 in mid 6's and even the brochure says 200 KPH in 9.9, its a full second off!



    That is a full 10% off the brochure time! That is a case of factory figures not being conservative. 0 - 200kph in 10.9 seconds is poor considering an F40 from 16years ago can cover the 0 - 200 in 11 seconds with 130 hp less and no TC.

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Sorry guys but the Z06 is faster then everything i have ever driven
    Forget all the TT's
    And forget data sheets. Drive it.

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Quote:
    F355 said:
    Sorry guys but the Z06 is faster then everything i have ever driven
    Forget all the TT's
    And forget data sheets. Drive it.



    Simply drive more cars man

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Quote:
    F355 said:
    Sorry guys but the Z06 is faster then everything i have ever driven
    Forget all the TT's
    And forget data sheets. Drive it.




    Good luck finding another regular production car with two seats, luggage room, with more hp, more torque, that revs higher, weighs less and doesnt have a "fantasy" price.

    Well?


    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Quote:
    Boyko23 said:
    Quote:
    F355 said:
    Sorry guys but the Z06 is faster then everything i have ever driven
    Forget all the TT's
    And forget data sheets. Drive it.



    Simply drive more cars man



    Oddly enough I heard the same statement from Watt (longtime rennteam member). The thing is... he got into a Z06 after owning a couple GT2s.

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Quote:
    SoCalHoosier said:
    Quote:
    Boyko23 said:
    Quote:
    F355 said:
    Sorry guys but the Z06 is faster then everything i have ever driven
    Forget all the TT's
    And forget data sheets. Drive it.



    Simply drive more cars man



    Oddly enough I heard the same statement from Watt (longtime rennteam member). The thing is... he got into a Z06 after owning a couple GT2s.



    Yeah, but isn't watt trying to sell his Z06????

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Quote:
    JimFlat6 said:
    Quote:
    F355 said:
    Sorry guys but the Z06 is faster then everything i have ever driven
    Forget all the TT's
    And forget data sheets. Drive it.




    Good luck finding another regular production car with two seats, luggage room, with more hp, more torque, that revs higher, weighs less and doesnt have a "fantasy" price.

    Well?





    Curious why more people on rennteam, esp in US, who talk up the rather affordable Z06 haven't bought a copy?

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !



    even he knows!

    Re: Z06 - AMS test !

    Quote:
    sdy284 said:


    even he knows!



    ROFL, that was a good one sdy284!

     
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