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    Facelifted 991's with the new turbo motors for the Carrera's? That's my guess. New turbo requires different plumbing resulting in new tail pipe location?

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    I would say that is Sport Classic test mule kiss

     

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    those tail pipes look awkward angry


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    RC:
    KMM:
    Leawood911:

    Awesome RUF - building what we want that Porsche passed by - 2WD Turbo with Manual Transmission!!!  PCCB brakes, no ugly side scoop!  fixed rear wing!  Yeah, mark all my wishlist items checked off!

    +1

    0-100 kph in 3.5 seconds, 0-200 kph in 10.8 seconds...2WD version with manual.

    Why would someone want to be slower? Smiley Smiley

    If were both 80 and you were in a wheelchair you would be quicker than me walking - but I would still rather be able to walk cause it is more fun.  I prefer racing on my feet rather than in a wheelchair.   In terms of cars, I am never going to race anyone on the street - and if I did I would never lose to any cars who would dare race me around here - there simply is not that competition for a 997 Turbo of any flavor. -

    I prefer to shift.  It is simple. Less weight, less complexity, more analog.  I would also rather be the quickest manual driver than worry about beating a machine at shifting.  Trust me it takes me VERY little time to shift and when I do it right I get a sense of accomplishment.  I also fully understand and never question anyone else's choice to go PDK or Automatic.  I am for CHOICE.  Fine if you like your PDK that does not mean you need to impose your will on everyone else by trying to make them feel like they are wrong or made a mistake.  Frankly that is the annoying part of the PDK vs. manual debate.  I have far more than 500K mile 911 driving behind me after 35 years of driving Porsches - I can assure you the next 35 years will be manuals as well even if I can help it.  It would be nice have fellow Porsche owners realize the importance of being able to shift and at least support the choice.  RUF did!

     


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    Leawood911:

    I prefer to shift.  It is simple. Less weight, less complexity, more analog. 

    Smiley


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    SuzyF:

    Anyone an idea what this is??

    http://www.gmotors.co.uk/news/mysterious-porsche-911-cabriolet-facelift-prototype-spied-with-central-dual-exhaust/

    Interesting.  The car with the central dual exhaust has a north american style rear bumper (can't fit a european license plate).

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    Alpine-Al:

     

    Interesting.  The car with the central dual exhaust has a north american style rear bumper (can't fit a european license plate).

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    That is often the case with test cars. It does not mean anything .

    I bet on the new turbo engines . And I agree with Gauss : they look weird !


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    If you look closer to the pic from the high way, you will see that the front car has eu license plates


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    Am i the only one who thinks that the rear of the car looks weird form the side view? The overhang looks to me as if it is a lot more than on the current 991. Almost like there's a bigger engine in the back. Flat 8?  yes

    Edit: after looking closely again.... Could this be a Speedster??? The "hips" are different than C2, C4 and Turbo and there's a hump, just where the fabric roof meets the body. Cab disguise works as camouflage.

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    The hump and lid makes it look like an inflated 996 cab indecision

    The rear wheels seem to stick out further than on mine. They are almost flush with the arc, like it looks with 15mm spacers.

     


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    It may be that the next GTS will get a GT3 based engine but de-tuned with almost the same RPM.  Why not?  It is not much more expensive now like the Mezger was.  Good way to get it with a manual perhaps.  That would explain the central pipes - a link to the GT3.  It must have seemed like a good idea at the time - lol, now maybe not so much.

    If it had been a new turbo engine car I think there would have been more air inlets.

     

     


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    Leawood911:

    It may be that the next GTS will get a GT3 based engine but de-tuned with almost the same RPM.  Why not?  It is not much more expensive now like the Mezger was.

     

     If they lower the redline, then they would achieve their goal of detuning, but they could also then use steel conrods instead of titanium to save money (those are expensive and possibly problematic in the GT3).  Hope they keep the separate oil tank.  The price of a GTS is likely to be almost as much as a GT3 though, so it's hard to see why one would buy the GTS, unless you really want a manual.


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    Grant:
    Leawood911:

    It may be that the next GTS will get a GT3 based engine but de-tuned with almost the same RPM.  Why not?  It is not much more expensive now like the Mezger was.

     

     If they lower the redline, then they would achieve their goal of detuning, but they could also then use steel conrods instead of titanium to save money (those are expensive and possibly problematic in the GT3).  Hope they keep the separate oil tank.  The price of a GTS is likely to be almost as much as a GT3 though, so it's hard to see why one would buy the GTS, unless you really want a manual.

    Correct - slighly lower redline would 'detune'.  That is what I was thinking.  Perhaps a different ECU for more street driveablity.  It is exactly because the GTS price and the GT3 price are so close already that it makes sense to sell it with a version of the GT3 engine other wise, without the GT3 based engine it would be a complete no brainer to get the GT3.


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    Leawood911:
    Correct - slighly lower redline would 'detune'.  That is what I was thinking.  Perhaps a different ECU for more street driveablity.  It is exactly because the GTS price and the GT3 price are so close already that it makes sense to sell it with a version of the GT3 engine other wise, without the GT3 based engine it would be a complete no brainer to get the GT3.

    The ECU in the GT3 already maximized that engine for drivability in the lower revs.  To improve things further, you could change the camshafts perhaps to lower the torque peak rpms.  The problem with lowering the redline to make the car respond better at low revs is that you also have to raise the gearing with the lower redline and then you give back virtually any gains you made by lowering the redline and retuning.


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    What power output could we expect from 991 GTS 


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    Milanno:

    What power output could we expect from 991 GTS 

     Probably 991 Carrera S Plus 20-35 hp


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    Milanno:

    What power output could we expect from 991 GTS 

    I would not expect anything else than the normal power kit and 430hp. Anything beyond that would be a nice surprise, but very un-Porsche...


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    Is this 911 GTS ? Smiley

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    Woooo, I love these moments!
    Something nobody can make sense of, lots of speculations, and sooner or later some hints towards what it is... 


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    Ron (Houston):

    Is this 911 GTS ? Smiley

    Maybe, maybe not... Your most safe bet is that this is either the 991 facelift or the 991 GTS.


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    Joost:

    Woooo, I love these moments!
    Something nobody can make sense of, lots of speculations, and sooner or later some hints towards what it is... 

    Wait... it is a GT3 cab!!! 

    wow2.gif


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    Hahahaha Yeah and when the speed rises above 120kph, the roof wil open and function as a huge wing for added downforce... :-)

    On a more serious note; this care is really intrigueing. Not only may the shape of the hump be different (which I don't really see btw), but also the louvres on the decklid are different. The louvres themselves are clearly non-final, just bolted in place, but the outline of the recession on the decklid in which they lie is also not the same as normal 991, but at least looks like a finished product... 


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    I think it's facelift Carrera with turbo motor


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    I'd say it's a hybrid. Who else agrees?


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    Grant:

    I think it's facelift Carrera with turbo motor

    Smiley


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    Whatever it is; I like it.


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    991s mk2 turbo


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    Carreras Turbo is my guess


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    The back lights will be again ''big'' .  I like it better . Were the thing back lights on the 991.1 not well accepted ?


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    I guess they will be three dimensional like the Macan.


     
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