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    Re: 997 Turbo S ordered

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    SoCal Alan said:
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    RC said:
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    chuck said:
    I have some issues with my 997S Cab and was talking with someone in the know....He said the Turbo will come out at 525hp and the S will be out the next year with more.
    We are a year and a half away from the 997S TT.



    Guys, the first time the 480 HP figure has been published, it was HERE on Rennteam.com by one of our moderators.
    Since then, I didn't find ONE official Porsche source to deny this figure and I'm not talking about saying "maybe" or whatever. Oh, most of these sources had a big grin on their face. 525 HP for the base Turbo version would be great...and a VERY STUPID thing to do. A 480 HP Turbo can easily keep up with the F430, no need to give too much power away for free I'm afraid.
    So yes, there will be a Turbo S and there will be a GT2.
    It is not a matter of "IF" but a matter of "WHEN".
    And to make sure I'm not too late, I ordered a Turbo S now.
    If it comes one year later than I think it is coming, I don't care. But I want it.



    I don't know, RC. A lot of people make their decision based on numbers... HP being one of the most important. It would be really smart for Porsche to at least match the 430 in terms of HP. That would sway a certain number of potential buyers. More HP than the 430 would sell even better.



    I'd bet 90%+ of potential 997TTS buyers aren't really in the economic zipcode of coughing up an additional $60K+ for a 430.....if the P&F buyer bases actually had significant overlap, P wouldn't hesitate to price 997TTS at a 430ish $200K+.

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    I agree with that VKSF. Porcshe makes excellent products, but they are totally mercenary in this regard.

    mcdelaug

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    Very true, guys.

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    VKSF said:

    I'd bet 90%+ of potential 997TTS buyers aren't really in the economic zipcode of coughing up an additional $60K+ for a 430.....if the P&F buyer bases actually had significant overlap, P wouldn't hesitate to price 997TTS at a 430ish $200K+.



    That would then only apply to the US.

    In Europe, 996TT buyers already pay as much as you would have to pay for a 430. Both cars are in an identical price range over here. For obvious reasons

    I do not know why Porsche sells their cars so cheap in the US.

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    please, tell where you will use 520hp on normal street....with police radar.....

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    Crash said:
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    MKSGR said:
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    LowPolarMoment said:
    Someone asked if you'd notice the extra 35hp on top of 480. I don't know the answer but I guess it's the same as adding an X50 pkg or going from a 996TT to a 996TS . Is that noticeable? Someone else said a 525hp TTS would be faster than a CGT. A CGT has over 600hp and weighs much less than a TTS. Sure wish Porsche would drop the 4wd on the TTS to save a couple hundred pounds.



    Unfortunately, the CGT is an underperformer at higher speeds. The car is slower than one would expect (for whatever reason). Tuned 996TT with around 550hp are about 5-6 seconds faster than the CGT...



    It has to do with aerodynamics. The CGT has enormous amounts of downforce, which is why it takes it about 8-10 seconds more to reach 300 km/h than one would assume. It is however a superior performer when it comes to high speed turns. Where the Enzo and the Murc would hit the railing and crash, the CGT stays on its tracks and keeps on going.

    Regarding the 997TTS:

    If it really gets 525 HP it will be awesome. My next car hopefully...



    Nonsense! The CGT's downforce isn't much more than an Enzo or a Ford Gt for that matter. http://motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/112_0410_lemansintro/index4.html



    It has to do with Porsche's over emphasis on the cooling system.

    Btw, how can a 20 yrs. old like you afford a Turbo S?



    I'd like to hear more about the cooling system causing the lack of performance you're mentioning.

    PM me for the other question if you really want to know

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    MKSGR said:
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    VKSF said:

    I'd bet 90%+ of potential 997TTS buyers aren't really in the economic zipcode of coughing up an additional $60K+ for a 430.....if the P&F buyer bases actually had significant overlap, P wouldn't hesitate to price 997TTS at a 430ish $200K+.



    That would then only apply to the US.

    In Europe, 996TT buyers already pay as much as you would have to pay for a 430. Both cars are in an identical price range over here. For obvious reasons

    I do not know why Porsche sells their cars so cheap in the US.



    Fair point, this F vs P price/brand power differential is largely a US phenomenon. I agree that 997TTS is an equal/prob better product than 430 (or even the 430CS it will likely face at launch ). Some of differential is prob related to F's more elite image in US.....if F were to ship 75% of its production to US (and 80-90% of US allocation directly into SF/NYC/LA mkts where its US buyers largely live), that would help ease the differential.

    Also, let's realize that mkt for $140Kish daily commuter cars in US is prob only about 5-6K cars/yr...roughly evenly divided btwn 997TTS and SL55. Merc can only sell about 200 SL65/yr (@$200K) in US (and those 65's have horrific resale value).....the air gets fairly thin at the $200K+ league, which F essentially owns in the US.....

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    dream on rc you and the rest live in cookoo land,a factory turbo with 520bhp.YOU WISH

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    mkhan said:
    dream on rc you and the rest live in cookoo land,a factory turbo with 520bhp.YOU WISH



    You seem to be a funny guy

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    mkhan said:
    dream on rc you and the rest live in cookoo land,a factory turbo with 520bhp.YOU WISH



    No you meant WET dreams..

    throt..

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    mkhan - betting against RC on a factory rumour....shame ladbrokes are not giving odds...you are very likely to be wrong.

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    RC..Congrats Man,
    But Do you think there will be a 997 GT2 after the Turbo is out ??

    Thanks

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    alhurr said:
    RC..Congrats Man,
    But Do you think there will be a 997 GT2 after the Turbo is out ??

    Thanks



    RC said so above.

     
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