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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    Yeah, he doesn't look 100%, but what are you suggesting?


    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    Rossi:

    Mr. Harris sounds a bit disillusioned, no? yes

    He wasn't too enthusiastic with the Huracan Performante either...

    Maybe he just got bored with his job of whatever. ๐Ÿ˜ง


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    He is more into real’s man car...


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    the-missile:

    He is more into real’s man car...

    Like a Renault Alpine? ๐Ÿ˜‚


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    In this video the Pista sounds just boring.


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    Rossi:

    In this video the Pista sounds just boring.

    Are you surprised? No new car will sound better than the old one.

    Turbo charged cars will get MUCH quieter because it is very difficult to design a proper exhaust system with particulate filter and all, especially since new regulations say that at no time, an exhaust can sound louder than the "base" sound, even in different driving programs and with open flaps.

    Some manufacturers already started to equip US bound cars with different exhaust systems than EU cars. ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    RC:

    Some manufacturers already started to equip US bound cars with different exhaust systems than EU cars. ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ

    This is what will happen also for cars going outside EU with ROW standard...Porsche as an example for the cars delivered in Middle East...No particulate filter


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    the-missile:
    RC:

    Some manufacturers already started to equip US bound cars with different exhaust systems than EU cars. ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ

    This is what will happen also for cars going outside EU with ROW standard...Porsche as an example for the cars delivered in Middle East...No particulate filter

    Lucky bastards... ๐Ÿ˜‰


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    RC:
    Rossi:

    In this video the Pista sounds just boring.

    Are you surprised? No new car will sound better than the old one.

    Turbo charged cars will get MUCH quieter because it is very difficult to design a proper exhaust system with particulate filter and all, especially since new regulations say that at no time, an exhaust can sound louder than the "base" sound, even in different driving programs and with open flaps.

    Some manufacturers already started to equip US bound cars with different exhaust systems than EU cars. ๐Ÿ˜Ÿ

    But AFAIK the Pista doesn‘t even have PF. Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    To increase the power output of the engine, Ferrari changed the piston rods, improved the intake and did some exhaust mods. Unlike Lamborghini with the n/a engined Performante, it was much more difficult for Ferrari to deal with the changed backpressure and emissions values, turbos and all. This is why I suspect the sound didn't improve, on the contrary.

    There is a video of a straight piped non-cats GT2 RS on YouTube. It has a very loud turbo "whoosh" and "turbine" sound but it still sounds like crap. Turbo engines...you have to love them for their power output but sound and throttle response? Well... ๐Ÿคฎ


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    Rossi:
    In this video the Pista sounds just boring.

    What I never understood - why can't you make the car sounding like old days, just not that loud? Smiley

    Just turn that volume down but leave the old sound, is that so difficult? 


    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    Lars997:
    Rossi:
    In this video the Pista sounds just boring.

    What I never understood - why can't you make the car sounding like old days, just not that loud? Smiley

    Just turn that volume down but leave the old sound, is that so difficult? 

    Loud is easier than actually creating a better sound I've been told. Problems are turbo chargers, catalytic converters, particulate filters and even the room for the muffler (size). Unless you would prefer an artificial sound.

    Btw: My E63S and C63S Cab both have "fake sounds" in the interior. The sound of the engine is "transported" through  the loudspeaker system into the interior. They sound both the same from the outside as from the inside but apparently (my guess) the noise insulation on modern cars is so good nowadays that the interior sound gets too muffled. 

    Porsche uses that sound symposer and/or a Helmholtz Resonator...basically similar.

    The Performante is one of the last cars to have an "honest" sound, interior and exterior: In Corsa mode, hell brakes loose, the Performante is basically straight piped then (with a cat of course).


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    No sound symposer on GT cars broken heart


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    the-missile:

    No sound symposer on GT cars broken heart

    Do they produce 134db? Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    RC:
    the-missile:

    No sound symposer on GT cars broken heart

    Do they produce 134db? Smiley

    yes, just before they blow up Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    the-missile:
    RC:
    the-missile:

    No sound symposer on GT cars broken heart

    Do they produce 134db? Smiley

    yes, just before they blow up Smiley

    The current 5.2 l V10 is much more reliable than the 991 GT3 engines, 3.8 and 4.0 l. Smiley

    Also, unlike the GT3 engines, it is actually used 1:1 in professional racing. Only difference is the injection system. Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    RC:
    the-missile:
    RC:
    the-missile:

    No sound symposer on GT cars broken heart

    Do they produce 134db? Smiley

    yes, just before they blow up Smiley

    The current 5.2 l V10 is much more reliable than the 991 GT3 engines, 3.8 and 4.0 l. Smiley

    Also, unlike the GT3 engines, it is actually used 1:1 in professional racing. Only difference is the injection system. Smiley

    You have the best, here's a crown! 

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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    RC:

    The current 5.2 l V10 is much more reliable than the 991 GT3 engines, 3.8 and 4.0 l. Smiley

    Also, unlike the GT3 engines, it is actually used 1:1 in professional racing. Only difference is the injection system. Smiley

    You know, entering the 9000rpm territory needs some extra risks Smiley the .2 version is for now pretty good.

    GT3 engine is quiet close to GT3 cup engine...but I still don't see the Huracan GT3 with AWD Smiley

    Oh, the crankshaft bearing are reinforced, secondary fuel injectors removed and different ECU. yes, 1:1 almost Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    Porker:
    RC:
    the-missile:
    RC:
    the-missile:

    No sound symposer on GT cars broken heart

    Do they produce 134db? Smiley

    yes, just before they blow up Smiley

    The current 5.2 l V10 is much more reliable than the 991 GT3 engines, 3.8 and 4.0 l. Smiley

    Also, unlike the GT3 engines, it is actually used 1:1 in professional racing. Only difference is the injection system. Smiley

    You have the best, here's a crown! 

    220px-Crown_of_George_XII_of_Georgia.jpeg

    I know, thank you. I know how to choose them (age, eternal wisdom and all... Smiley). You should start trying too. Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    the-missile:
    RC:

    The current 5.2 l V10 is much more reliable than the 991 GT3 engines, 3.8 and 4.0 l. Smiley

    Also, unlike the GT3 engines, it is actually used 1:1 in professional racing. Only difference is the injection system. Smiley

    You know, entering the 9000rpm territory needs some extra risks Smiley the .2 version is for now pretty good.

    GT3 engine is quiet close to GT3 cup engine...but I still don't see the Huracan GT3 with AWD Smiley

    Oh, the crankshaft bearing are reinforced, secondary fuel injectors removed and different ECU. yes, 1:1 almost Smiley

    Actually, the Performante uses the same crankshaft bearings... Smiley

    I told you about the fuel injection mods and the different ECU really matters how exactly? Smiley

    Or let me put it this way: How many parts has a comparable Porsche GT3 race car in common with the road version in comparison with the Huracan Performante and the Huracan GT3 Trofeo for example? I bet you that much more. Engine? Basically the same. 

    Or take the GT2 RS: Basically a mix of a tuned 991.2 Turbo S and GT3 RS. Wow...I'm impressed. Smiley Yes, Porsche did a good job in the performance department but how reliable is this thing when you max out the power? We'll see... Smiley

    Try to make fun of it as long as you want but I am right. Smiley

    You don't see a Huracan GT3 with AWD? Well, I don't see a Porsche GT3 with AWD. Smiley You know very well that a Huracan GT3 with AWD or a Porsche GT3 with AWD would destroy the competition. There is a reason why AWD systems aren't permitted in pro racing series. Not because they make the cars slower obviously. Smiley

    Btw: My Audi dealership has the Audi and Lamborghini workshops basically under one roof. My mechanic told me that he's never seen a broken V10 engine in any new R8 (4S) or late model years Huracan. 

    Now go to a Porsche workshop and tell me how many engines you see there and/or cars without an engine in them? Just saying... Smiley (yes, I am often walking through the Audi/Lambo workshop and never saw a V10 engine there).

    It is actually a well known fact in the sportscar community that those V10 5.2 l engines are bulletproof.

    Or ask Vehicle Virgins (Parker) or others who tuned their V10 engines with VF Engineering superchargers: I don't know of any broken engine and some of these cars already put over 30-50k miles(!) on them. Only the bi-turbo setups have serious issues. 

    The 5.2 l V10 is Lambo's/Audi's Mezger engine. Smiley 


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    RC:
    the-missile:
    RC:

    The current 5.2 l V10 is much more reliable than the 991 GT3 engines, 3.8 and 4.0 l. Smiley

    Also, unlike the GT3 engines, it is actually used 1:1 in professional racing. Only difference is the injection system. Smiley

    You know, entering the 9000rpm territory needs some extra risks Smiley the .2 version is for now pretty good.

    GT3 engine is quiet close to GT3 cup engine...but I still don't see the Huracan GT3 with AWD Smiley

    Oh, the crankshaft bearing are reinforced, secondary fuel injectors removed and different ECU. yes, 1:1 almost Smiley

    Now go to a Porsche workshop and tell me how many engines you see there and/or cars without an engine in them? Just saying... Smiley (yes, I am often walking through the Audi/Lambo workshop and never saw a V10 engine there).

    It is actually a well known fact in the sportscar community that those V10 5.2 l engines are bulletproof.

     


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    I'm sure they enjoy your constant presence walking through the Audi/Lambo workshops! Smiley

    I don't think anyone is debating whether the 5.2 V10 is a good engine, why would they... No need to prove anything.


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    I am more often in Audi/Lambo workshops than you are in Porsche ones...but not for the reason you think. Smiley

    Some people, like me, enjoy wandering around in those workshops, talking to mechanics, watching them work, exchanging information, for me a great experience and I learn a lot from it. Sometimes the mechanics are not too fond of this but usually, after they get used to me, we're good "buddies" (I usually also bring some coffee or sandwiches, so... Smiley). This is always a condition when I get a car: Full access to the dealer's workshop. Since I always have a very good relationship to the dealer (sales persons, owner, manager, whoever), it is not a problem. You should try it, it widens your horizon and they take better care of your car(s). Unless you already do it. 


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    RC:

    Now go to a Porsche workshop and tell me how many engines you see there and/or cars without an engine in them? Just saying... Smiley (yes, I am often walking through the Audi/Lambo workshop and never saw a V10 engine there).

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    The reason could be, that Porsche GT-cars get a lot more track time, than other exotics.

    For one Lamborghini or Ferrari on the track, you will see 30 Porsches.

    At the end of a Track day - you will see of them in the workshop, one broken down exotic and about 2 Porsches...Smiley

    Blueflame


    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    blueflame:
    RC:

    Now go to a Porsche workshop and tell me how many engines you see there and/or cars without an engine in them? Just saying... Smiley (yes, I am often walking through the Audi/Lambo workshop and never saw a V10 engine there).

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)

     

    The reason could be, that Porsche GT-cars get a lot more track time, than other exotics.

    For one Lamborghini or Ferrari on the track, you will see 30 Porsches.

    At the end of a Track day - you will see of them in the workshop, one broken down exotic and about 2 Porsches...Smiley

    Blueflame

    We all have our theories... Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    RC - if the Performante has only different injectors and ECU it would be the perfect replacement for your R8!  Fantastic sound from that v10 as well.  With the EVO coming out the ‘older car’ may even be discounted. ๐Ÿ˜Ž๐Ÿ‘


    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    blueflame:
     

    The reason could be, that Porsche GT-cars get a lot more track time, than other exotics.

    For one Lamborghini or Ferrari on the track, you will see 30 Porsches.

    At the end of a Track day - you will see of them in the workshop, one broken down exotic and about 2 Porsches...Smiley

    Blueflame

    Never saw audi R8 on track day...and saw one Huracan for 30 minutes. GT Porsche are just there at every single event... yes, bullet proof never pushed engine SmileySmiley compared to abused cars...Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    blueflame:
    RC:

    Now go to a Porsche workshop and tell me how many engines you see there and/or cars without an engine in them? Just saying... Smiley (yes, I am often walking through the Audi/Lambo workshop and never saw a V10 engine there).

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mercedes C63 S AMG Cab (2019), Range Rover Evoque Si4 Black Edition (2019)

     

    The reason could be, that Porsche GT-cars get a lot more track time, than other exotics.

    For one Lamborghini or Ferrari on the track, you will see 30 Porsches.

    At the end of a Track day - you will see of them in the workshop, one broken down exotic and about 2 Porsches...Smiley

    Blueflame

    @blueflame...

    could it be that there are pics missing of that new weapon / tracktoy of yours...? Smiley


    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    the-missile:
    blueflame:
     

    The reason could be, that Porsche GT-cars get a lot more track time, than other exotics.

    For one Lamborghini or Ferrari on the track, you will see 30 Porsches.

    At the end of a Track day - you will see of them in the workshop, one broken down exotic and about 2 Porsches...Smiley

    Blueflame

    Never saw audi R8 on track day...and saw one Huracan for 30 minutes. GT Porsche are just there at every single event... yes, bullet proof never pushed engine SmileySmiley compared to abused cars...Smiley

    Simple reason for that: Just look at the price tags. Smiley Smiley


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    Re: Ferrari 488 PISTA

    d997h:
     

    @blueflame...

    could it be that there are pics missing of that new weapon / tracktoy of yours...? Smiley

    Off-season - the new toy sleeps under it´s cover...Smiley

    But I posted some pics in the "Carrera T-thread" in before Christmas.

    Next mission will be in march at the Sachsenring with AMS.Smiley

    Blueflame


     
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