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    Re: Cayman GT4

    Here is the car . Street legal Clubsport 

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    That would not be a fun ride on the street. 

    It will be impossible for my car to be made street legal here, the VIN is already in the wrong format, it carries a ZZZ in it noting it's not a North American car


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    Why would someone want to do that other than making it easier to get to the track?

    It has a full cage too, doesn't it? Wouldn't that require wearing a helmet when driving it on the street?


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    the ride is so hard, We once drove in " night ", to the paint shop not very far from our shop in 997 Cupcar, and it was worst drive I've ever had


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    In terms of street legal, get a GT3RS, much better on the road than a Cayman CS could ever be.


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    The license plates don't really indicate this car is street legal... Smiley

    Actually, the current law (it has been made much tougher lately) indicates that he isn't supposed to use those license plates (these are not really temporary plates but so called "Kurzkennzeichen" for driving a non street legal car to the repair shop or similar stuff...) to drive to the race track. Many race tracks in Germany don't even allow these types of license plates anymore.


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    You always know how to kill the fun indecision


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    bluelines:

    You always know how to kill the fun indecision

    With age,,, comes wisdom, son. Smiley..Smiley..


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    throt:
    bluelines:

    You always know how to kill the fun indecision

    With age,,, comes wisdom, son. Smiley..Smiley..

    Smiley Smiley


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    throt:
    bluelines:

    You always know how to kill the fun indecision

    With age,,, comes wisdom, son. Smiley..Smiley..

    Smiley Sorry that I have to be a fun killer but I know a couple of guys who would love to get a street certification for the GT4 Clubsport in Germany, so I am really interested in this (and many others probably too).

    It seems that Porsche made this harder (same goes to the rear seat option certification for the GT3)... Smiley


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    I saw what looked like a GT4 CS with plates in Sarasota, FL at Suncoast Porsche. I was passing their workshop and noticed a GT4 with BIG wing, licens plate and the GT4CS color scheme.
    Didn't check it out properly so it might as well been a "ordinary" GT4 - if such a thing as an ordinary GT4 exists. 


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    Kobalt:

    I saw what looked like a GT4 CS with plates in Sarasota, FL at Suncoast Porsche. I was passing their workshop and noticed a GT4 with BIG wing, licens plate and the GT4CS color scheme.
    Didn't check it out properly so it might as well been a "ordinary" GT4 - if such a thing as an ordinary GT4 exists. 

    Maybe it is easier to get a street legal certification in the US? Smiley


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    RC:
    Kobalt:

    I saw what looked like a GT4 CS with plates in Sarasota, FL at Suncoast Porsche. I was passing their workshop and noticed a GT4 with BIG wing, licens plate and the GT4CS color scheme.
    Didn't check it out properly so it might as well been a "ordinary" GT4 - if such a thing as an ordinary GT4 exists. 

    Maybe it is easier to get a street legal certification in the US? Smiley

    Far from it.  It goes back to the days well before Google, but if you are sufficiently interested you might still find something if you try doing a search on importing Porsche 959s to the USA.
    Some did eventually get in and (I believe) were registered for street use, but their importers were made to jump through hoops for years beforehand. 


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    Yeah, I remember the 959 certification issues, also Bill Gates' 959 in Zuffenhausen after he apparently crashed it during a ride (rumor has it that they had some guys close down some roads, so they could have fun with their non-street legal cars) with some fellow billionaires and their cars... angry


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    RC:

    The license plates don't really indicate this car is street legal... Smiley

    Actually, the current law (it has been made much tougher lately) indicates that he isn't supposed to use those license plates (these are not really temporary plates but so called "Kurzkennzeichen" for driving a non street legal car to the repair shop or similar stuff...) to drive to the race track. Many race tracks in Germany don't even allow these types of license plates anymore.


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    The guy explained to me that he is in the process of having it 100% approved . He said he will need to go through a control ( TUV  ? ) every 2 years . Main problem was brakes and something else, I can't remember . He said , it was tough, but he is getting there .


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    Gnil:
    RC:

    The license plates don't really indicate this car is street legal... Smiley

    Actually, the current law (it has been made much tougher lately) indicates that he isn't supposed to use those license plates (these are not really temporary plates but so called "Kurzkennzeichen" for driving a non street legal car to the repair shop or similar stuff...) to drive to the race track. Many race tracks in Germany don't even allow these types of license plates anymore.


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    The guy explained to me that he is in the process of having it 100% approved . He said he will need to go through a control ( TUV  ? ) every 2 years . Main problem was brakes and something else, I can't remember . He said , it was tough, but he is getting there .

    Every car registered in Germany has to go through TÜV inspection every two years once it gets past 3 years old anyway.
    I suspect the other main problem exhaust gas emissions, or maybe street-legal seat belts?  


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    Seat belts, roll cage...not that easy since Porsche (according to people) doesn't really assist owners in achieving street legal certification. I cannot exclude it can be done through something called "Einzelabnahme" but this process is difficult,  expensive and still could require a few documents only Porsche could provide (and they won't).

    Like I said before, it would be very interesting to learn if this guy really achieved the street legal status, it would help many out there.


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    fritz:

    Maybe it is easier to get a street legal certification in the US? Smiley

    Far from it.  It goes back to the days well before Google, but if you are sufficiently interested you might still find something if you try doing a search on importing Porsche 959s to the USA.
    Some did eventually get in and (I believe) were registered for street use, but their importers were made to jump through hoops for years beforehand. 

    Once a car is 25 years old (959 qualifies now), you can import anything to US and from there it depends on the state as far as unlimited road registration (some states are very lax).  The 964 RS and Cup are the next models to qualify...


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    RC:

    Smiley Sorry that I have to be a fun killer but I know a couple of guys who would love to get a street certification for the GT4 Clubsport in Germany, so I am really interested in this (and many others probably too).

    It seems that Porsche made this harder (same goes to the rear seat option certification for the GT3)... Smiley

    I think people these days are very hard to please.

    GT4 CS is made as a track car only, and yet people would like street certificate of it.  For street use, there are GT4, Cayman, Cayman S, Cayman GTS, etc...

    Then there is asking for rear seat options, wing delete, maybe convertible version of a GT3.

    And then people complained why there are > 20+ versions of various 911.

    And then they complained of too many different models of Porsche which will dilute its brand, but yet they keep asking for more variants that are not being offered currently.

    If I am Porsche, I don't know if I should be happy or sad with all these requests.Smiley


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    Targa Tim:
    RC:

    Smiley Sorry that I have to be a fun killer but I know a couple of guys who would love to get a street certification for the GT4 Clubsport in Germany, so I am really interested in this (and many others probably too).

    It seems that Porsche made this harder (same goes to the rear seat option certification for the GT3)... Smiley

    I think people these days are very hard to please.

    GT4 CS is made as a track car only, and yet people would like street certificate of it.  For street use, there are GT4, Cayman, Cayman S, Cayman GTS, etc...

    Then there is asking for rear seat options, wing delete, maybe convertible version of a GT3.

    And then people complained why there are > 20+ versions of various 911.

    And then they complained of too many different models of Porsche which will dilute its brand, but yet they keep asking for more variants that are not being offered currently.

    If I am Porsche, I don't know if I should be happy or sad with all these requests.Smiley

    Smiley
    Bemused, maybe.


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    Targa Tim:
    RC:

    Smiley Sorry that I have to be a fun killer but I know a couple of guys who would love to get a street certification for the GT4 Clubsport in Germany, so I am really interested in this (and many others probably too).

    It seems that Porsche made this harder (same goes to the rear seat option certification for the GT3)... Smiley

    I think people these days are very hard to please.

    GT4 CS is made as a track car only, and yet people would like street certificate of it.  For street use, there are GT4, Cayman, Cayman S, Cayman GTS, etc...

     

    ++1, I was in a process of building cayman s for track, and its almost the same if not more harder than CS, but ride is so hard in streets, its track focus car not DD car


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    Targa Tim:
     

    I think people these days are very hard to please.

    GT4 CS is made as a track car only, and yet people would like street certificate of it.  For street use, there are GT4, Cayman, Cayman S, Cayman GTS, etc...

    Then there is asking for rear seat options, wing delete, maybe convertible version of a GT3.

    And then people complained why there are > 20+ versions of various 911.

    And then they complained of too many different models of Porsche which will dilute its brand, but yet they keep asking for more variants that are not being offered currently.

    If I am Porsche, I don't know if I should be happy or sad with all these requests.Smiley

     

    Cause people really want the GT4 in PDK? Just a thought. Smiley

    Porsche has a motorsport philosophy, so only go-fast items are on their highest performance cars.

    But customers actually want the motorsport engine but with normal creature comfort, so say a GT3 convertible with rear seats and no wing.

    Mercedes-AMG got this right, that's why they are putting the AMG badge on everything. But that also water down their hardcore motorsport products. 

    Porsche's situation is a bit different, they don't have the capacity for mass production of a lot of cars, they are basically running full for their sports cars, not to mentioned the Motorsport division. That's why they had to choose how they do their 'motorsport' products. 


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    Everyone thinks they want a race car for the street, but in reality they don't because it would be a POS. A race car for the street that is tolerable would mean just converting a race car into a shitty under-powered road car.

    What will get from A to B quicker, a GT4 CS converted to tolerable usability, or an 675 LT? I imagine it's the 675 LT.


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    RS badge is Porsche answer for people that want a race car that is street legal. More power, lighter, Roll cage (in Europe) and harness for a race look are must have for that category.  Better margin, and keep eveyone happy. Porsche please make a GT4 RS!

    AMG (AMG GT, not the rest of the range with AMG badge on anything) got it wrong, too comfy, too heavy, and dont sell that well even witht an R badge and exterior look.

    McLaren got it wrong  as well, the 570 GT4/sprint serie is interesting but not street legal. The 570s that I tested was configured with leather seats and basically no exhaust sound. Nowhere near a  street legal race car like my GT3RS.

     

     


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    Track day at L'Anneau du Rhin in south of France close to Basel. The great white GT4 killed everything on the track indecision Thanks to Porsche for PSM, I completely lost it in one high speed corner, but managed to save it. Puh! angry

    Anyway, here are some impressions:

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    Thanks for the nice photos. Smiley

    Let me guess: Asphalt temperature was pretty cold?


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