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    Hmmm, “rumors” says that a lot of the Porsche instructors have a big rehearsal in November in order to be ready to show off the 992 in a driving show somewhere in the world in January..... Doesent mean the reale won’t come earlier, but.....angry


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    Nice color.

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    Somebody's going to get fired in Germany--they taped over the hood badge and rear stripe but forgot all the wheel center caps...  Good thing too, otherwise nobody would have recognized this as a Porsche.


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    several of the latest spy cars (the ones with minimal camouflage) have hood crest, wheel caps crest and others dont. and sometimes a combination of both. No suprise here.


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    looks like Miami Blue.


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    And yet again no interior photos..... 


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    Gauss:

    looks like Miami Blue.

    Looks like the same blue Audi is using for its latest SUVs including e-tron.  Evidently, paint is part of the new Volkswagen Group sharing component plan. 


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    Agree! A brilliant shade of Red


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    In any case, colours suit the 992 very well.


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    No more front light washers . Are they hidden in a new way ? Have they been dropped as considered useless ? 


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    Gnil:

    No more front light washers . Are they hidden in a new way ? Have they been dropped as considered useless ? 

    Maybe it means all lights are LED's now?  I thought the reason they had them before was that UN regulation 48 (really the UN?) required any low beam light higher than 2000 lumens have washers.  Xenons are 3000, LED are 2000 or below.  The US doesn't use this regulation (shocking I know Smiley) so they actually didn't need them anyway. 


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    i just read a Sept 3 autocar article from greg kable where there is a statement about the positioning of the battery pack (in the hybrid version) allowing them to achieve a near ideal 50/50 weight distribution in the 992. Does anyone else have a problem with this? The whole point of the 911 is that it DOES NOT have an ideal weight distribution....


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    No. Finally, that ill-conceived rear-engine location is being put to some good use.


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    lexs4:
     

    Maybe it means all lights are LED's now?  I thought the reason they had them before was that UN regulation 48 (really the UN?) required any low beam light higher than 2000 lumens have washers.  Xenons are 3000, LED are 2000 or below.  The US doesn't use this regulation (shocking I know Smiley) so they actually didn't need them anyway. 

    Did not know that . Always just taught people wanted them but I find them useless . 

    I have full LED on my Q7 , but I have the washers .


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    996FourEss:

    The whole point of the 911 is that it DOES NOT have an ideal weight distribution....

    I agree.  And in my book, 50/50 weight distribution is far from ideal.


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    +1000


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    The farmer:

    Hmmm, “rumors” says that a lot of the Porsche instructors have a big rehearsal in November in order to be ready to show off the 992 in a driving show somewhere in the world in January..... Doesent mean the reale won’t come earlier, but.....angry

    These rumos (if true) are probably about a presentation to press/dealers with test drives.

    Porsche did a big show (which involved some "stunts") in South Africa in December 2011 for the 991. The facelift was showed to the press in my homecountry of Portugal but not so fancy in the show department (It was the facelift).

    Here´s the link for the 2011 show.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ2svUGnrg4


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    Grant and Carlos, could you explain why a 50-50 distribution is not preferable to you?  Is it not as much fun to drive? It does seem that Porsche has been trying to reach that 50-50 distribution figure for decades for the 911. I believe the new racing RSR moves that way. I’m not trying to be argumentative, I’m just asking.


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    a rear engined 911 is not a 50/50car, and the only way you get there is if you have both “weights“ outside the wheel base and how does that make sense. 


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    Wonderbar:

    Grant and Carlos, could you explain why a 50-50 distribution is not preferable to you?  Is it not as much fun to drive? It does seem that Porsche has been trying to reach that 50-50 distribution figure for decades for the 911. I believe the new racing RSR moves that way. I’m not trying to be argumentative, I’m just asking.

    Wonderbar, I believe they are not looking for a 50-50 weight distribution in the RSR by moving the engine more forward, they are looking for a lower polar moment of inertia which is not the same thing.

    A 50-50 weight distribution on a 911 would indeed make it less fun to drive than a rear weight bias of say 40-60 for example, it would give you more understeer, less traction off the corners (less weight on the rear after weight transfer), and worse braking (too much weight on the front when decelerating), and overall less sporty... that is why even mid-engine cars (lowest polar moment of inertia) generally have a rear weight bias.

    It would be specially bad on a rear engined car since to achieve a 50-50 it would mean the mass of the vehicle split at the two ends of the car increasing the polar moment of inertia and also loosiing  that pendulum effect of the rear engine we love so much from the 911. 50-50 weight distribution is a marketing ploy for front engined cars like bimmer commentials.


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    Wonderbar:

    Grant and Carlos, could you explain why a 50-50 distribution is not preferable to you?  Is it not as much fun to drive? It does seem that Porsche has been trying to reach that 50-50 distribution figure for decades for the 911. I believe the new racing RSR moves that way. I’m not trying to be argumentative, I’m just asking.

    In a 50/50 car (like BMW), you have around 80% or more on the front axle during braking (dynamic weight shift) which is not as effective as a 911 (where you still have more than 50% weight on front axle under braking) where you can use all 4 wheels to slow the car more effectively.

    On corner exit on a RWD car, you have more drive traction with a rear weight bias.

    For handling on a track, the one thing that kills the fun for than anything is understeer. With rear weight bias, understeer is less of a problem.  With oversteer, you can counter-steer and slide the car a little and still be fast and have fun.  With understeer, you have to wait for the car to slow down for the front tires to gain traction (not fun at all).

    Just a few examples...


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    Thanks guys--very helpful!


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    The lower the polar moment of inertia of a car, the eager it will want to turn. 


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    These were posted on another forum.  From the rear angle the rear fender flares look ridiculously wide, is it just the angle?  Maybe it's the camo on the rear brake lights, but looks crazy wide to me.

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    Whatever it is, it looks really cool that way!


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    carne asada:
    RC:
    Gauss:

    I was planning on going. However, only if the 992 will be there.

    Very likely...but things can still change (WLTP is a bitch...).

    Just curious, why can't the car be announced before WLTP approval?

    Of course it can be announced before WLTP approval but why should they? 


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    hmmm, I thought that any media coverage on a new car needs to include tables on emissions (-/standards) ? Smiley


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    The pronounced hips are really the coolest design feature of the new 911 (imho). 


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    d997h:

    hmmm, I thought that any media coverage on a new car needs to include tables on emissions (-/standards) ? Smiley

    They can announce it, they don't have to present it. Smiley

    Also, with cars not on the market yet, they can add some sort of disclaimer that emissions values aren't established yet or whatever.


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    Grant:
    [...]

    In a 50/50 car (like BMW), you have around 80% or more on the front axle during braking (dynamic weight shift) which is not as effective as a 911 (where you still have more than 50% weight on front axle under braking) where you can use all 4 wheels to slow the car more effectively.

    On corner exit on a RWD car, you have more drive traction with a rear weight bias.

    For handling on a track, the one thing that kills the fun for than anything is understeer. With rear weight bias, understeer is less of a problem.  With oversteer, you can counter-steer and slide the car a little and still be fast and have fun.  With understeer, you have to wait for the car to slow down for the front tires to gain traction (not fun at all).

    Just a few examples...

    [...]

    Someone should inform Porsche about all this, so they can fix their recent mistake with the RSR.

     


     
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