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    How long before 997 is replaced?

    How long generally is the life circle of porsche designs? when do you expect the replacement for the 997 to be introduced?

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

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    luko said:
    How long generally is the life circle of porsche designs? when do you expect the replacement for the 997 to be introduced?



    Are you kidding? The 997 just has been introduced last year.
    A few 911 variants have to follow, the 997 Turbo, etc. I'd expect a facelift (NOT a new model or replacement) by around 2007 (MY 2008) and a completely new 911 (998?) by 2009 maybe or even 2010 (MY 2011).

    The 997 has such a "clean" 911 design, it will be pretty difficult to replace it.

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

    I don't think Porsche will introduce a new 911 before 2011-2012..
    They got too many things to do before..
    The net Cayenne.. and the Brand-New Panamera..
    (and a conv. cayman? )

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

    Discover, your timing is off.

    RC is pretty close, although I don't see the 997 as the perfect design at this point. I'd look for the next iteration to show more CGT, less 993.

    Just a hunch.

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

    My best guess would be around 2010, definitely not before then.
    If you start thinking about the 998, or whatever it will, you'll probably never be able to fully enjoy the 997.

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

    I'd say it depends on the competition. If the 997 et al starts to fall way behind then you might see something sooner then mentioned above.

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

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    SrfCity said:
    I'd say it depends on the competition. If the 997 et al starts to fall way behind then you might see something sooner then mentioned above.



    You are correct and it will be sooner rather than later. If there is an advantage to the 911 models, it is Porsche needs to do very little to change it. They tweak here and there, give it a new number (998) and the lemmings (the diehards) will flock to buy it. However, the general public is on to Porsche and sport cars sales will continue to decline.

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

    More CGT, less 993?? I'm not betting on that. The CGT is a tour de force of technology and performance, but the styling is more function over form, and I've never seen or heard anybody waxing poetic over the CGT's styling... I believe they'll continue the "evolution" within the 911 envelope, rather than morph it toward styling cues on a car that only a mother (owner) could love in the Carrera GT.

    Totally off subject, but honestly, if I had close to a half-mil to blow on a for-fun car burning a hole in my pocket, I'd throw engineering prowess and execution to the wind, and buy one of those stunningly beautiful and earth-shakingly raw Saleen S7 twin turbos.

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

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    luko said:
    How long generally is the life circle of porsche designs? when do you expect the replacement for the 997 to be introduced?



    I OWN the three volume 1500 page Karl Ludvigsen definitive history of Porsche and read less than 5 percent of it so I think I'm highly qualified to answer this question.

    Isn't the Cayman and CGT considered some sort of clue that Porsche might finally discontinue/phase out/deemphasize the rear engine 911 before long?

    Remember the guys who were kids oogling the first 911s are almost ready to start dying off.

    My bet is the Cayman ( or a mid-engined 911 Who needs the back seats?) will become the flagship Porsche model in the not too distant future.


    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

    MMD - I hope you are wrong..
    the 911 is the heart and soul of Porsche..
    all other models are just for the profit and express all the knowledge that Porsche have gained all over the years..
    for example -
    the CGT is an answer for Ferrari's ENZO and Merc's SLR..
    the Cayenne is the answer for BMW's X5 and Merc's M class..
    the Boxster & Cayman are the answers for Merc's SLK, BMW's Z4 (Starting against the Z3..), and more..
    And always - Porsche beats the hell out of it's rivals (at least for some's opinions )..

    Only the 911 is has the true spirit of Porsche..
    The specialty of a REAR-WHEEL-DRIVE READ-ENGINE CAR.

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

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    MMD said:
    Quote:
    luko said:
    How long generally is the life circle of porsche designs? when do you expect the replacement for the 997 to be introduced?



    I OWN the three volume 1500 page Karl Ludvigsen definitive history of Porsche and read less than 5 percent of it so I think I'm highly qualified to answer this question.

    Isn't the Cayman and CGT considered some sort of clue that Porsche might finally discontinue/phase out/deemphasize the rear engine 911 before long?

    Remember the guys who were kids oogling the first 911s are almost ready to start dying off.

    My bet is the Cayman ( or a mid-engined 911 Who needs the back seats?) will become the flagship Porsche model in the not too distant future.






    MMD,

    Interesting theory you have there and while I wish for it NOT to be true it seems to be consistent with this little article/rumour in Auto Spies:

    http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=5673&categoryId=21

    "This is one wicked rumor!

    There is a ton of speculation about what will happen to sales of the 911 once the Cayman is available.

    Porsche swears less than three percent of 911 buyers will be swayed and purchase a Cayman instead.

    But dealers we have been surveying aren't as confident.

    Our sources tell us that they believe sales of the plain jane 911 will fall dramatically.

    Experts say that the buyer who wants the 911 will step up and buy the Carerra S, putting the regular 911 out to pasture.

    And who could blame them.

    The 'S' is amazing.

    And if you have enough to buy a 911, what's another 8k to get the best 911 in history?

    Or a Carerra 4 or 4S?

    So will the 911 be discontinued?

    Not officially by Porsche.

    But we predict sales will weaken substantially and Porsche will scale down building regular 911's accordingly.

    In fact, dealers are telling us it is already beginning.

    The bottom line is people who want the 911, want the 'S'.

    And we have absolutely NO problem with that.

    In fact, 001's 2006 'S' is just about ready for delivery."

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

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    MMD said:
    My bet is the Cayman ( or a mid-engined 911 Who needs the back seats?) will become the flagship Porsche model in the not too distant future.




    How much do you want to bet? Just a little hint: Porsche's model planning has already reached beyond 2010.

    To Nick: so the current 997 is just a tweaked 996, do I get you right? So I wonder why almost 80% of the parts of the 997 CS are different compared to the 996 Carrera 2. Even the engine, which is based on the M96 design, has almost no part in common with the "old" M96 engine.

    But if you know better...enlighten us.

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

    Sorry folks, but the Cayman taking the helm from the 911 is about as likely as the Solstice taking over for the Corvette... I'm sure GM could build one mamba jamba of a 400 h.p. Solstice..... but it wouldn't put hardly a dent in the Corvette's armor. Same goes for the even MORE iconic 911.

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

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    RC said:


    But if you know better...enlighten us.



    Yeah right LOL I've decided to not renew my subscription to Excellence. Not enough time and way too much to absorb and figure out. There's no way I'll ever catch up to you guys here.

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

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    MMD said:
    Isn't the Cayman and CGT considered some sort of clue that Porsche might finally discontinue/phase out/deemphasize the rear engine 911 before long?

    Remember the guys who were kids oogling the first 911s are almost ready to start dying off.

    My bet is the Cayman ( or a mid-engined 911 Who needs the back seats?) will become the flagship Porsche model in the not too distant future.





    I better stop driving my 997S - as it will soon be a collector's item - the final 911 design.


    Preposterous

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

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    MMD said:
    Remember the guys who were kids oogling the first 911s are almost ready to start dying off.




    This is true, BUT those same kids are now the fathers of the kids (us) oogling the current generation of 911's. And when you and I drive our 911's around, we see (at least I do) kids too young to drive oogling at our cars. So long as Porsche continues to re-engineer the 911 to compete with other modern sports cars (and this seems to be the case), it will be around for alot longer, much to the chagrin of the Porschephobes out there. One area of technological advance I can foresee is not only the mere accumulation of horsepower, but also the use of less dense materials to minimize weight at no expense of structural integrity.

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

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    Al Pettee said:
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    MMD said:
    Remember the guys who were kids oogling the first 911s are almost ready to start dying off.




    This is true, BUT those same kids are now the fathers of the kids (us) oogling the current generation of 911's. And when you and I drive our 911's around, we see (at least I do) kids too young to drive oogling at our cars. So long as Porsche continues to re-engineer the 911 to compete with other modern sports cars (and this seems to be the case), it will be around for alot longer, much to the chagrin of the Porschephobes out there. One area of technological advance I can foresee is not only the mere accumulation of horsepower, but also the use of less dense materials to minimize weight at no expense of structural integrity.



    Aaaah, life in places like Rochester, where tykes still ogle P's....

    Would think that in an era of internet info/cheap flts to LA, etc, interested rugrats (even from small towns) would be less impacted by mere sight of a P.....

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

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    VKSF said:

    Aaaah, life in places like Rochester, where tykes still ogle P's....

    Would think that in an era of internet info/cheap flts to LA, etc, interested rugrats (even from small towns) would be less impacted by mere sight of a P.....



    It turns out that in most parts of the world, most kids think 911's are cool, maybe not on the left coast of the USA, but elsewhere it's still the case.

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

    Over here in Germany, no matter if I pick up my kids in Kindergarten with the Boxster, 911 or Cayenne, they go wild whenever they see these cars and shout out loud PORSCHE, A PORSCHE... Never saw these kind of things regarding any other car and most parents are driving BMWs, VWs, Mercedes, Volvos, etc. My daughter always tells me that our cars are "cool" (she is 4) and my son is hardly to convince to drive in any other car than my 911. Whenever he enters the garage, he immediately points to the 911 in the back and runs to the door to open it. My son is 2, he doesn't speak much yet but he knows what he likes.

    Unfortunately this "coolness" of Porsche cars also creates a lot of envy over here. But NEVER at the same level as if I would own a Ferrari or Lamborghini. Owning italian beasts would probably close all doors for me and my family, no more friends and helpful neighbors. Sad but true. So I think a Porsche is a good "compromise" over here in Germany, people started to "accept" it socially. No wonder, over 70% of all Porsche cars over here are actually company cars, the german IRS already accepted the 911 as a "common" business car. Lucky me.

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

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    RC said:

    So I think a Porsche is a good "compromise" over here in Germany, people started to "accept" it socially.

    the german IRS already accepted the 911 as a "common" business car. Lucky me.



    Yes, RC,

    I feel the same way driving my 911 Turbo to my office-I don't think my patients view the car as too "over-indulgent," it's understated and respectable.

    Now if only the American IRS would give me a tax break for buying one, then I would be set.

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

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    Al Pettee said:
    Yes, RC, I feel the same way driving my 911 Turbo to my office-I don't think my patients view the car as too "over-indulgent," it's understated and respectable.

    Now if only the American IRS would give me a tax break for buying one, then I would be set.

    My friend is a dentist and he told me some patients made negative remarks about his driving an expensive Benz. I told him to ask those patients if they'd feel better going to a dentist who drove a jalopy.

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

    Dropped my almost 14 year old stepdaughter off at school a few days ago in my S. You would have thought we had pulled up in the space shuttle, every neck snapped to our direction, and her group of friends immediately started screaming and making a big elaborate episode about her arriving in such a cool car. In a positive way, that is..(they didn't razz or scorn her over it is what I'm saying). And it's a private school, where there's no shortage of Mercs, BMW's and mega-lux SUV's pulling through the drop-off.

    In my neck of the woods, I find that it's the kids that go ape-sh** over my car, and the adults that are fairly oblivious to it. In my book, THAT'S PERFECT. I don't like it when grown men and women are sitting there just staring at me like an accident scene, but the kiddies are hilarious to play with and interact with at stoplights and such.

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

    Good to hear that kids are still wowed by P's....
    Now the question is what happens in that some 10-15 yr period btwn childhood and post-college.....'cause it seems like sportscar nuts are a small and endangered species among any adults w/bucks....

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

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    Al Pettee said:

    Now if only the American IRS would give me a tax break for buying one, then I would be set.



    Man do I wish

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

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    69bossnine said:

    In my neck of the woods, I find that it's the kids that go ape-sh** over my car, and the adults that are fairly oblivious to it. In my book, THAT'S PERFECT. I don't like it when grown men and women are sitting there just staring at me like an accident scene, but the kiddies are hilarious to play with and interact with at stoplights and such.



    Same in my town and the feeling never gets old!

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

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    RC said:
    Quote:
    MMD said:
    My bet is the Cayman ( or a mid-engined 911 Who needs the back seats?) will become the flagship Porsche model in the not too distant future.





    To Nick: so the current 997 is just a tweaked 996, do I get you right? So I wonder why almost 80% of the parts of the 997 CS are different compared to the 996 Carrera 2. Even the engine, which is based on the M96 design, has almost no part in common with the "old" M96 engine.

    But if you know better...enlighten us.



    RC you recall when they told us 80% of the 2002 996 was different from the 2001? I thought you would be on that game.

    The base 997 has the same performance as the base 996, different headlights and minor cabin changes. They can claim once again 80% different parts but if it looks and walks like a duck, it is duck. Porsche is a master of disguise.

    For those of you that believe kids go crazy over Porsche's, drive one in S. CA. Kids here would not give it a second look. It is commonplace a ubiquitous commondity.

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

    Having owned a 2003 996 and now a 2006 997S-X51 I can say with certainty that the 997S is a dramatically improved automobile - better motor, much better gear box, better suspension, much improved interior, better lighting (and I don't mean aesthetics), less rattles creaks and groans, better stereo, better seats. I'm sure I left something out but you get the picture. The 996 had issues. It was not a car I could love. Those issues have been addressed and I absolutely adore this 997S.

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

    Is that a Club Coupe, Aerosmith?

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

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    AeroSmith said:
    Having owned a 2003 996 and now a 2006 997S-X51 I can say with certainty that the 997S is a dramatically improved automobile - better motor, much better gear box, better suspension, much improved interior, better lighting (and I don't mean aesthetics), less rattles creaks and groans, better stereo, better seats. I'm sure I left something out but you get the picture. The 996 had issues. It was not a car I could love. Those issues have been addressed and I absolutely adore this 997S.



    AWESOME!

    Re: How long before 997 is replaced?

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    VKSF said:
    ...'cause it seems like sportscar nuts are a small and endangered species among any adults w/bucks....



    So if you haven't yet, start making new ones right now until we're off World Wildlife Fund's list.

     
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