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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    MKW:
    MKSGR:

     You could also say: as soon as you sit in the driver seat you can really enjoy it (performance...). No need to look at the exterior again Smiley

     

    But you would have to gaze at  this " pensioner who lost his dentures " face every drive  !

    Smiley

     


    Where you thinking of something like this? Smiley

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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    There won't be ANY comparison with SLS, 458, LP 570 etc. This car is 100-200kgs+ lighter than all the others with an effective power band of 6500rpm (2000-8500 rpm) which makes ferrari for example look very mediocre, and driving dynamics that won't really compare with this monoblock carbon chassis. Not to mention a super quick 7-speed gearbox with close ratios that combined with the excellent traction provided by this new suspension design will make this very quick on a straightline.. In terms of looks and design maybe people will object but driving dynamics forget it. I think this car will push the competition hard to try to catch up.

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    If only it looked good, like said above, very mid 90s body.


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    I am the only one who thinks it looks good in white?


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    SciFrog:

    If only it looked good, like said above, very mid 90s body.


    + 1 . Specially the side and the back.....  But all the rest is very impressive Smiley

     


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    In a interview with Car or Evo mag's last year Frank Stephenson said he arrived too late at Maclaren to make much of an impact on the styling of the MP4 12C but he did tweak elements of it. He must have known what the 458 was going to look like from his previous design position with Ferrari. It'll be interesting to see if the next cars to come out of Woking look very different to this design as he'll have greater input over them.


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    Are cars like this McLaren and the 458 Italia making the Million Dollar Hyper Cars (Zonda, CCX, Enzo Replacement, forthcoming top of line McLaren, Lambo Urus, etc.) irrelevant ??  The current performance of this class of car cannot be significantly improved, even at 4 or 5 time the price.


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    Actually the performance can be improved. The top level supercars will have significantly higher top speed and lower 0-300 time.  Driving feeling on the other hand is a more difficult matter...


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    As long as there are customers who are willing to pay millions for hyper cars, there will always be hyper cars.

    But the gap between those cars and "normal" sportscars like 458, McL, Gallardo and Porsche Turbo gets smaller and smaller.


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    REALZEUS:

    Actually the performance can be improved. The top level supercars will have significantly higher top speed and lower 0-300 time.  Driving feeling on the other hand is a more difficult matter...

     

    What is its 0-300 km/h time anyway? Also, is the 200-mph top speed official or just guesswork?


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    Good design is good design - which means timeless. Certain cars, certain objects, certain homes.

     

    This particular Mclaren like its SLR sibling is not a particularly good design. It looks like a Gallardo that someone used a belt sander on.

     

    This is a good looking Mclaren minus a couple fins

     

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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    And I was thinking yesterday that the intro would have been much better w/o the drivers at all and instead had 5 cars in different colors in a semi-circle behind the podium at a raised angle with their covers raised automatcially at the same time for the unveiling.

     

     


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    Crash:
    REALZEUS:

    Actually the performance can be improved. The top level supercars will have significantly higher top speed and lower 0-300 time.  Driving feeling on the other hand is a more difficult matter...

     

    What is its 0-300 km/h time anyway? Also, is the 200-mph top speed official or just guesswork?

     

    Nothing official yet. At any rate let's wait for the independent tests and not the official claims.


     


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    The McLaren MP4-12C performance stats look impressive from the initial indication...

    McLaren-MP4-12C_Performance-Stats_35m16s.jpg

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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    From EVO :

    0-200km/h actually in 9,0-9,5s. So under 9,5s.

    There will be no 0-100km/h time. This time would make the Mclaren look only as fast as 997 Turbo PDK.

     

    More tellingly, Sheriff stated that McLaren won't release a 0-60mph time. I can see why; the 0-124mph figure is arguably more telling, and for casual observers if the time is beaten by a £60K cheaper 911 turbo, McLaren could lose some of the sparkle they are achieving from today's event.


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    mv:

    From EVO :

    There will be no 0-100km/h time. This time would make the Mclaren look only as fast as 997 Turbo PDK.

     Rumored 0-60mph time is less than 3.0sec


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    Grant:
    mv:

    From EVO :

    There will be no 0-100km/h time. This time would make the Mclaren look only as fast as 997 Turbo PDK.

     Rumored 0-60mph time is less than 3.0sec

     

    I have heard of less than 1s and a top speed of Mach 5+...Smiley


     


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

     Glad I could entertain you.  Here's a link:

     McLaren MP4-12C can run 0-60 mph in under 3 seconds with launch-control

    And another: 

    http://blog.caranddriver.com/mclaren-gives-mp4-12c-acceleration-estimates-its-going-to-be-fast/

     


     


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    REALZEUS:

    Actually the performance can be improved. The top level supercars will have significantly higher top speed and lower 0-300 time.  Driving feeling on the other hand is a more difficult matter...


    Top speed boasting is laughable . Even for Veyron owners, they can only attempt it on private testing grounds such as VW's 20 mile long oval ( the random deer which equals instant oblivion to both will appear too late to react ) after meeting certain qualifications and then hit Vmax for a millisecond before they send you home with a certificate that you can hang on the wall of your den . And what shame you'll feel when brand X owners officially beat your speed by 1 mph . 0-300 never happens on a race track and if it did, you couldn't do a match race as there are turns way before 300 kmh , unless you are a NASCAR aficionado and want to take your McLaren or 458 around and around at Talledega until the tires explode at 200 mph. OTOH, driving feel - whatever the pace , what a concept !

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    There is life beyond America mate! In Europe top speed and 0-300 are still relevant.  Not for bragging rights only. I have seen F50s topping out on the M25.


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    REALZEUS:

    There is life beyond America mate! In Europe top speed and 0-300 are still relevant.  Not for bragging rights only. I have seen F50s topping out on the M25.

     What is the penalty for that if you're caught?


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    I 'll tell you when that happens.


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    It won't be long before we see the McLaren MP4-12C in a range of other colours...








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    OMG Smiley i love it in white so much! This car looks so sweet, its just not overdone


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    What's the difference between their brake steer and a normal yaw control system? 


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

     Whoever said that it looked like it came straight out of the 90s, nailed it.

    I think it looks good, but somehow dated already.

    However, it's clean looks may be a plus for those who want to go in stealth mode. No one in the general public really knows what a McLaren is, so this might become the X5 of the Supercars! 


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    MKW:
    REALZEUS:

    Actually the performance can be improved. The top level supercars will have significantly higher top speed and lower 0-300 time.  Driving feeling on the other hand is a more difficult matter...

     

    Top speed boasting is laughable . Even for Veyron owners, they can only attempt it on private testing grounds such as VW's 20 mile long oval ( the random deer which equals instant oblivion to both will appear too late to react ) after meeting certain qualifications and then hit Vmax for a millisecond before they send you home with a certificate that you can hang on the wall of your den . And what shame you'll feel when brand X owners officially beat your speed by 1 mph . 0-300 never happens on a race track and if it did, you couldn't do a match race as there are turns way before 300 kmh , unless you are a NASCAR aficionado and want to take your McLaren or 458 around and around at Talledega until the tires explode at 200 mph. OTOH, driving feel - whatever the pace , what a concept !

     

    That holds true not just for the Mclaren but for all cars over say 125. It's pointless. There is no discernable difference between 130 and 160 for example. And absolutely no need to go faster. There is also very little need for any differences on the 0-60 times either. I could not tell the difference between a 4.0 and a 5.3 or some in between.

    Enjoyment is looks, sound, and feel.


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    william:

    What's the difference between their brake steer and a normal yaw control system? 

     

    Read up about the weissach axle and passive rear steering.


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    The difference between 4.0 and 5.3s is huge!


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar: official press release...

    WAY:

    The difference between 4.0 and 5.3s is huge!

     Not behind the wheel it isn't, 5.3 felt much faster.


     
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