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    Re: First Panamera personal impressions

    What RC and Super Darius says is very true about Europe it is why my company buys us just Hyundai as company cars. And we have to use them, not a personal car that can give the idea of a company that gains too much money from our business. Before I have dealed with some clients from China, it was the time I had the Mercedes 320 E with the AMG kit and when needed a Lancia Phedra. For them if you don´t appear in a car like that is like you have no money to do business with them. Also a friend of mine that does business with the chinese had to change his Alfa Romeo for a Chrysler 300 ... really bling stuff.. couse the chinese didn´t find the Alfa posh enough, As soon as I have finished dealing with them I changed from the Mercedes back to a Smart and now to a Hyundai as a company car.


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    RC:
    WAY:

    It's been mentioned many times before, but Panamera's 2 individual back seats will cost it many sales.  Take myself, I would happily buy a Panamera Turbo in the next year or two if it was a 5 seater.  But instead, I find myself looking at the new E63, RS6 and even the Rolls Royce Ghost.  Wasted opportunity Porsche.

    This is definetely true. The first thing my wife asked: "does it have five seats?". When I told her "no", she shook her head and said that I can forget about it. We have two kids only but whenever her parents are in town, she needs to have room for one additional person to be able to drive with the kids and her parents in the same car. No way to do that in the Panamera I'm afraid. Smiley Of course there is also that ugly rear... SmileySmiley

    Exactly the question my wife asked too.  She actually likes the car Smiley which make it questionable but having only 2 seats in the was a deal breaker.
     


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     I do not agree with you! If I look around my customers and suppliers I see a lot of good cars: Mercedes, BMW, Audi, .... - all models - maybe not Ferraris or Astons

    If I look in my street I see a lot of Porsche cars.

    If I look at the parking place of our golf course, I see a lot of very expensive cars. 

    If I look at the sold Mercedes S-class, BMW 7-class, ... in Germany .....

    All this cars are driven and not hidden. I don´t have a unique business and I didn't have until today any problems with my cars. The only car with some problems with my surrounding was the Cayenne turbo. Not because this car is expensive but because this car was consuming too much gasoline.

    I doubt I will have any problems with a possible Panamera turbo. 

    Maybe also I am lucky with my wife and childrens who all like to have two individual seats at the rear - Yes I am a lucky man!


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    Your locals are probably hiding their Veyrons and driving about in their 'lesser' cars!! I have to hide my 911 from both my and my wifes business associates. To do otherwise would result in a drastic drop in our incomes!
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    Alex_997TT:
    Your locals are probably hiding their Veyrons and driving about in their 'lesser' cars!! I have to hide my 911 from both my and my wifes business associates. To do otherwise would result in a drastic drop in our incomes!

    Unless you hide and drive your Turbo at a vacation home, how in the world do you "hide it "  ? Demographically , yours and your wife's associates probably " hang out " at the same shops/stores,restaurants ,etc . Do you don a Micheal Jackson mask ?

     

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    Isn't it ridiculous to buy a car and then to hide it?

    For me this like having to faces. Stand to your decision and that's it.

    Did you stolen the money for the car? No!

    Did you cheat somebody? No!

    Did you worked hard for it? 


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    ALDO:

    Isn't it ridiculous to buy a car and then to hide it?

    For me this like having to faces. Stand to your decision and that's it.

    Did you stolen the money for the car? No!

    Did you cheat somebody? No!

    Did you worked hard for it? 

     

    The problem is jelousy.

    Your 997TT is parked outside your office.

    You say: I am successful and have made it.

    Your clients say: You're greedy and charging way too much, go off and make out with AIG executives.

    Public perception of a Porsche is excess, especially when bystanders might be driving car that's one 10th the price. They'll cheer and snap pictures of your German sledge as long as they are not the ones paying for it as customers.

    It's a sad reality of dissrespect for hardwork and what other people choose to spend their money on.


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    ALDO:

     I do not agree with you! If I look around my customers and suppliers I see a lot of good cars: Mercedes, BMW, Audi, .... - all models - maybe not Ferraris or Astons

    If I look in my street I see a lot of Porsche cars.

    If I look at the parking place of our golf course, I see a lot of very expensive cars. 

    If I look at the sold Mercedes S-class, BMW 7-class, ... in Germany .....

    All this cars are driven and not hidden. I don´t have a unique business and I didn't have until today any problems with my cars. The only car with some problems with my surrounding was the Cayenne turbo. Not because this car is expensive but because this car was consuming too much gasoline.

    I doubt I will have any problems with a possible Panamera turbo. 

    Maybe also I am lucky with my wife and childrens who all like to have two individual seats at the rear - Yes I am a lucky man!

     

    Aldo, I do see this cars also being driven. But I think it depends very much the business you are in. Close to our office are the offices of some lawyers and they all come with theyr Porsche and BMW and some Ferrari. But for our company it is not good to show those cars! Not that we all have them... and also between our staff we are not very open talking to the car from home or the super sports bike that some of my coleagues have them. When you deal like we deal with clients and on a market where you are not the only one and the profit margins are soo small... you have to be more careful. The others are in a better position than we are...


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    OK if your business doesn´t allow you to drive a Porsche - why do you then buy one and hide it like a child? Don't be sure that your interested customer doesn't know what you are driving.

    One of my old customers said to his employee: "look at him he is driving a Porsche cayenne turbo, but not with my money, he had this car before we met". I never visited this customer with my Cayenne!


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    ALDO:

    OK if your business doesn´t allow you to drive a Porsche - why do you then buy one and hide it like a child?

    The same work can made with different gain,becouse also depends in which way you made it...(all in legal way)so i can assure that from outside my work can't give "big" gains..but in real there is a way to gain much than someone can think..Smiley

    And i don't whant to go to my customer to explain how much i gain or i not gain,or why and becouse..,and hide my cars is a way to let made less answer in my customer..,sure some can know all,but the less the better..IMHOSmiley

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    Re: First Panamera personal impressions

    ALDO:

    Isn't it ridiculous to buy a car and then to hide it?

    For me this like having to faces. Stand to your decision and that's it.


     

     

    I fully agree, ALDO Smiley

     

    Worst thing you can do is to to show a defensive attitude regarding your car choice. My business partners and neighbours know that I don't drive the GT3 to make a statement - they know that it's not a mean of transportation for me, but that it's my hobby. They just accept that I'm a little bit Gaga when it comes to cars Smiley

    I don't think that the generalisation about "envious Germans" is correct. How come that in comparison to the less envious US society Porsche sells as many cars in Germany as in the US (in relation to the population number) Smiley Are all these cars hidden somewhere ? No, I watch them driving on the streets each day. Of course there is a difference between metropolitan areas and small Swabian villages...but I guess this is true all over the world.

    When I attended the Performance Training in Leipzig a couple of weeks ago it turned out that one of the guys in our GT3 Group is a supplier of our company (I didn't know him in person before). Do you really believe that I advised the procurement department to re-negotiate prices with the guy because he drives a GT3 ? Smiley

    Looking forward to your driving report Smiley I like the Panamera (had the opportunity to "inspect" a Panamera Turbo in Leipzig).


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    ALDO:

     I do not agree with you! If I look around my customers and suppliers I see a lot of good cars: Mercedes, BMW, Audi, .... - all models - maybe not Ferraris or Astons

    If I look in my street I see a lot of Porsche cars.

    If I look at the parking place of our golf course, I see a lot of very expensive cars. 

    If I look at the sold Mercedes S-class, BMW 7-class, ... in Germany .....

    All this cars are driven and not hidden. I don´t have a unique business and I didn't have until today any problems with my cars. The only car with some problems with my surrounding was the Cayenne turbo. Not because this car is expensive but because this car was consuming too much gasoline.

    I doubt I will have any problems with a possible Panamera turbo. 

    Maybe also I am lucky with my wife and childrens who all like to have two individual seats at the rear - Yes I am a lucky man!

     

    YOUR business is completely different from mine, I usually have to deal with younger people, families or very old people. Most of these people don't have a BMW, Audi or Mercedes, they usually have a small car under 20000 EUR or ride a bicycle. Smiley Most of my customers are longtime customers and I know them very well, including their views of almost everything. If people talk to you the whole day only about corrupt politicians, managers, etc., you can imagine what kind of customers I have. Of course I have more "classy" customers too but these are actually the worst. They accept the Cayenne (somehow) and my wife's BMW M3 Cab but a 997 Turbo would put me in trouble, I know it from the discussions I have with them. Another problem is: the car(s) are parked right outside my business, so they see them all the time.

    Most of my business collegues are driving in a VW Golf or old Audi to their business, their Porsches and other fancy cars are at home in a garage. Doctors aren't much different over here: we met with one of them for TWO years and only after he invited us to his house, we found out he owned a 996 Cabriolet. Can you believe that? They saw our Porsches all the time and didn't say a word or met with us driving their Porsche.

    My hometown is a worker's town, it isn't like the town/region you live in. We have a very high percentage of russian immigrants, it is not Munich or Stuttgart, different rules there.

    That said, I think that not the people are to blame for this situation but the german media. Our politicians and reporters do a very good job to make wealthy people look like gangsters. The sad part is that most people over here don't understand the difference between a bank manager, CEO and somebody who runs a small family business. For people, they're all the same "thieves" and the media over here does a great job NOT to tell them the difference. 


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    A non-violent version of Baader-Meinhof/RAF anti-capitalist ideology Smiley


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    mmmmmmmmmmmm pharmeceutical distributor with a penchant for flashy wheels, hot blondes, and known to enjoy a vacation or 2 in south florida

     

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    Bwahahaha!  Classic.  But which one is Christian?  Oh wait, can't be him.  He wouldn't be caught dead driving a Ferrari Daytono or Testarossa.


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    I don't have a car pic with me next to it at hand but all I can tell you is that I ALWAYS love such a view (pic taken myself), my family and some nice fast wheels. I wouldn't even mind driving a Daytona or Testarossa, especially on a sunny day. 1241715695064beach.jpgSmiley

    Btw: when I was young(er), Miami Vice was my favorite TV show.


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    I think Porsche-Jeck hit the nail on the head - across Europe, I'm of the view that the jealousy is a big city vs small/medium town kind of phenomenon.

    In my experience, in major cities, people don't look twice if you drive a Porsche (unless it's a CGT!!).


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     Call me ignorant, but I will buy one Panamera turbo. The only thing that could stop me is the economic situation 


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     That´s the spirit Aldo!!! 


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     funny thing I've forget to write. Yesterday evening I have met a potential new customer (could be a large project) and he told me that he will buy one Panamera. I have told him that this is also my intention. He said, that's the best car right now. He said, if I get mine before him, he would like to have a drive :)


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     I´m on for a ride also... 


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    ALDO:

     funny thing I've forget to write. Yesterday evening I have met a potential new customer (could be a large project) and he told me that he will buy one Panamera. I have told him that this is also my intention. He said, that's the best car right now. He said, if I get mine before him, he would like to have a drive :)

     

    You're lucky you have these kind of customers. I had stupid comments even with our "city car", the Mini Cooper S. Smiley


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    ALDO:

     Call me ignorant, but I will buy one Panamera turbo. The only thing that could stop me is the economic situation 

     

    Maybe you misunderstood me: IF the financial situation allows it, I would surely continue to drive expensive and fast cars, no doubt about it. I just have to make sure that my customers don't know about it. SmileySmiley


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    RC:
    ALDO:

     funny thing I've forget to write. Yesterday evening I have met a potential new customer (could be a large project) and he told me that he will buy one Panamera. I have told him that this is also my intention. He said, that's the best car right now. He said, if I get mine before him, he would like to have a drive :)

     

    You're lucky you have these kind of customers. I had stupid comments even with our "city car", the Mini Cooper S. Smiley

    Potential customer ! Smiley But I hope in a few weeks a good customer Smiley


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    I think it depends on the person as well.

     

    some people like to show off their bling.

    others are more conservative.

     

    I know a specialist doctor, always go around in trainers and jeans.  drives a 10 yr old Japanese wreck.

    then one day I went into his gargae......   Ferrari 599.

     

    I reckon at least for doctors, your patients would wanna know u are doing well cos they expect doctors to earn good dough.

    If I go to my doc and he drives an old bomb, I would think he is either a cheapskate or not a very good doc...

     

    but then again, not a lot of Drs I know can afford a 599.


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    A doctor in my neighbourhood used to drive a beat-up Fiat Uno as a daily driver but an original 300 SL Gullwing at the weekend. At least he upgraded his dd to a MB 190, still not very flashy...

     


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    I know for example a doctor in my town who owns 7(!) mostly vintage Porsche cars. On the other hand, he could be very well from Scotland, especially when it comes to maintaining his cars.  Most doctors who drive a Porsche also have something much cheaper and/or a pretty ordinary family car in their garage. My neighbor who is a doctor and usually drives a 996 Targa, has a VW Minivan for his family.  Another doctor I know has a Cayenne Turbo for him and the family but his wife drives around town (she is a doctor too with her own private practice) in an old Audi A4. There is always a little "toy" hidden in a doctor's garage but it is very unfortunate that a lot of patients don't seem to accept it. 

    Btw: yesterday I spent the whole day with my 5 year old son, driving around in my 997 Turbo, visiting an open air restaurant, an open air ice cream cafe, etc. We had so much fun, the typical son and father day. So many people were admiring the 997 Turbo, taking pictures, showing thumbs up, I never had this experience before. Maybe because it was very sunny and warm over here, maybe because I had a little kid with me, I don't know but this was the first time I actually felt good driving the car in public. 


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