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    X51 for 991S ready...

    Today I Was in my dealer workshop to order PSE and I saw PET pages on the pc screen....

    a lot of spare parts were signed with X51 - 250 Kw .... I saw with my eyes ..dealer told me 230 cv option very soonSmiley


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    997 S .2 cabriolet Pdk ,997 Gt3 cup 07 


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    Hi Sergini,

    The option was introduced in the new Club Coupe:

    http://pistonheads.co.uk/news/default.asp?storyId=25758


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    sergini:

    Today I Was in my dealer workshop to order PSE and I saw PET pages on the pc screen....

    a lot of spare parts were signed with X51 - 250 Kw .... I saw with my eyes ..dealer told me 230 cv option very soonSmiley


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    997 S .2 cabriolet Pdk ,997 Gt3 cup 07 

    430 hp and not before autumn, sorry.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S (at Porsche right now), BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    RC:
    sergini:

    Today I Was in my dealer workshop to order PSE and I saw PET pages on the pc screen....

    a lot of spare parts were signed with X51 - 250 Kw .... I saw with my eyes ..dealer told me 230 cv option very soonSmiley


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    997 S .2 cabriolet Pdk ,997 Gt3 cup 07 

    430 hp and not before autumn, sorry.

    And the price of the additional 30hp is....?


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    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    Almost 15k EUR (Germany) as far as I heard...as an option. Retrofit, if possible, would be more expensive...I guess.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S (at Porsche right now), BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    RC:

    Almost 15k EUR (Germany) as far as I heard...as an option. Retrofit, if possible, would be more expensive...I guess.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S (at Porsche right now), BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4

    Yikes - For 15k one could buy and build a pretty good G series track car! 


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    X51 for 991 is in German configurator(as well as in Austrian). Price: 13804€ with Mwst. Avaliable from September 2012.

    "Leistungssteigerung auf 316 kW (430 PS). Enthält modifizierte Zylinderköpfe und Nockenwellen, neu entwickelte variable Resonanzsauganlage mit 6 plus 1 schaltbaren Klappen, Mittenkühler, Sportabgasanlage mit 2 Doppelendrohren in eigenständigem Design (Bestell-Nr. 176), Sport Chrono Paket inkl. dynamischer Motorlager (Bestell-Nr. 639/640), optimierte Motorsteuerung sowie ein neues Motorraumstyling mit titanfarbener Abdeckung und Einlegern in Carbon. "

     


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    KresoF1:

    X51 for 991 is in German configurator(as well as in Austrian). Price: 13804€ with Mwst. Avaliable from September 2012.

    "Leistungssteigerung auf 316 kW (430 PS). Enthält modifizierte Zylinderköpfe und Nockenwellen, neu entwickelte variable Resonanzsauganlage mit 6 plus 1 schaltbaren Klappen, Mittenkühler, Sportabgasanlage mit 2 Doppelendrohren in eigenständigem Design (Bestell-Nr. 176), Sport Chrono Paket inkl. dynamischer Motorlager (Bestell-Nr. 639/640), optimierte Motorsteuerung sowie ein neues Motorraumstyling mit titanfarbener Abdeckung und Einlegern in Carbon. "

    Sounds great! Smiley


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    997.2 Carrera S in Carrara White. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.

    987.1 Boxster S in Arctic Silver. OZ Racing Ultraleggera Wheels, H&R Monotube Coil-Over Suspension, H&R Anti-Roll Bars, Sachs Racing Clutch, Single-Mass Flywheel, IPD Plenum, GT3 Throttle Body, Recaro Pole Position Seats, PSE, Alpine Head Unit and Amplifier, Focal Speakers


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    KresoF1:

    X51 for 991 is in German configurator(as well as in Austrian). Price: 13804€ with Mwst. Avaliable from September 2012.

    "Leistungssteigerung auf 316 kW (430 PS). Enthält modifizierte Zylinderköpfe und Nockenwellen, neu entwickelte variable Resonanzsauganlage mit 6 plus 1 schaltbaren Klappen, Mittenkühler, Sportabgasanlage mit 2 Doppelendrohren in eigenständigem Design (Bestell-Nr. 176), Sport Chrono Paket inkl. dynamischer Motorlager (Bestell-Nr. 639/640), optimierte Motorsteuerung sowie ein neues Motorraumstyling mit titanfarbener Abdeckung und Einlegern in Carbon. "

    The fact that Porsche also change the cylinder heads and the camshafts for just 30 PS shows how rough and ready some tuner modifications are which advertize this level of power increase with just a software and intake "upgrade".

    The net cost of the power increase is really 9600 EUR because the X51 kit incorporates the PSE and SC Paket which if optioned individually would have cost some 4200 EUR.


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    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    reginos:

    The net cost of the power increase is really 9600 EUR because the X51 kit incorporates the PSE and SC Paket which if optioned individually would have cost some 4200 EUR.


    If you take that into account, the cost for the new X51 seems to be fair.


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    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    That is quite a sweet upgrade and i imagine many customers jumping on it. That they go for the troubles of changing the cylinder heads and camshafts sounds really professional.


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    Getting closer to a 991 GTS all the time... 2015 is just around the corner!  devil

     

     


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    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    It will be interesting to see the torque curve and the performance figures. The S needs 4.1 seconds to 100 km/h and with X51 it might be sub 4 seconds applying a favorable rounding smiley

    Not that the 0 - 100 km/h time matters much in real life, but still an important figure. Would put it on par with the 997.1 Turbo, sans turbo lag.

     


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    997.2 Carrera S in Carrara White. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.

    987.1 Boxster S in Arctic Silver. OZ Racing Ultraleggera Wheels, H&R Monotube Coil-Over Suspension, H&R Anti-Roll Bars, Sachs Racing Clutch, Single-Mass Flywheel, IPD Plenum, GT3 Throttle Body, Recaro Pole Position Seats, PSE, Alpine Head Unit and Amplifier, Focal Speakers


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    Makes me wonder how fast the new Turbo will be...


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    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    X51 0-100km/h is 4.0s(with SC Plus on). So, X51 is only 0.1s faster in 0-100km/h. BUT, 0-200km/h is different story-difference is almost 2s. Even bigger is the difference on 0-250km/h. X51 car is also 2.5s faster on the Ring then standard car.


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    KresoF1:

    X51 0-100km/h is 4.0s(with SC Plus on). So, X51 is only 0.1s faster in 0-100km/h. BUT, 0-200km/h is different story-difference is almost 2s. Even bigger is the difference on 0-250km/h. X51 car is also 2.5s faster on the Ring then standard car.

    Thanks! Impressive figures.


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    997.2 Carrera S in Carrara White. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.

    987.1 Boxster S in Arctic Silver. OZ Racing Ultraleggera Wheels, H&R Monotube Coil-Over Suspension, H&R Anti-Roll Bars, Sachs Racing Clutch, Single-Mass Flywheel, IPD Plenum, GT3 Throttle Body, Recaro Pole Position Seats, PSE, Alpine Head Unit and Amplifier, Focal Speakers


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    KresoF1:

    X51 for 991 is in German configurator(as well as in Austrian). Price: 13804€ with Mwst. Avaliable from September 2012.

    "Leistungssteigerung auf 316 kW (430 PS). Enthält modifizierte Zylinderköpfe und Nockenwellen, neu entwickelte variable Resonanzsauganlage mit 6 plus 1 schaltbaren Klappen, Mittenkühler, Sportabgasanlage mit 2 Doppelendrohren in eigenständigem Design (Bestell-Nr. 176), Sport Chrono Paket inkl. dynamischer Motorlager (Bestell-Nr. 639/640), optimierte Motorsteuerung sowie ein neues Motorraumstyling mit titanfarbener Abdeckung und Einlegern in Carbon. "

     

    can some one translate this please?


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    "Power increase to 316 kW (430 hp). Contains modified cylinder heads and camshafts, newly developed variable resonance intake tract with 6 plus 1 switchable valves, center cooler, sports exhaust with two dual tailpipes in unique design (Order No. 176), sport chrono package with dynamic motor mounts (Order No. 639/640), optimized engine management and engine bay styling with a new titanium-colored cover and inserts in carbon fiber. "


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    997.2 Carrera S in Carrara White. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.

    987.1 Boxster S in Arctic Silver. OZ Racing Ultraleggera Wheels, H&R Monotube Coil-Over Suspension, H&R Anti-Roll Bars, Sachs Racing Clutch, Single-Mass Flywheel, IPD Plenum, GT3 Throttle Body, Recaro Pole Position Seats, PSE, Alpine Head Unit and Amplifier, Focal Speakers


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    Similar to the previous X51 packages with new air intake, radiator and ECU remapping including the sports exhaust system. As bonus this year you also get sport chrono package with dynamic engine mounts. Makes the price a bit more reasonable (I guess they had to get the price down since they will give this kit away almost for free in the upcoming GTS).

    The modified cylinder heads and camshafts are intriguing. I don't think the 997.2 X51 kit did include modified cylinder heads and camshafts, even though the description on Tequipment said it did. My source could be wrong of course.

    The 997.1 X51 kit did include modified cylinder heads and camshafts. It did also included new exhaust manifolds with increased diameter (from 42mm to 48mm).


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    997.2 Carrera S in Carrara White. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.

    987.1 Boxster S in Arctic Silver. OZ Racing Ultraleggera Wheels, H&R Monotube Coil-Over Suspension, H&R Anti-Roll Bars, Sachs Racing Clutch, Single-Mass Flywheel, IPD Plenum, GT3 Throttle Body, Recaro Pole Position Seats, PSE, Alpine Head Unit and Amplifier, Focal Speakers


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    bluelines:

    "Power increase to 316 kW (430 hp). Contains modified cylinder heads and camshafts, newly developed variable resonance intake tract with 6 plus 1 switchable valves, center cooler, sports exhaust with two dual tailpipes in unique design (Order No. 176), sport chrono package with dynamic motor mounts (Order No. 639/640), optimized engine management and engine bay styling with a new titanium-colored cover and inserts in carbon fiber. "

    thanks Smiley

    makes the price seem vaguely justifiable!


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    X51-Powerkit for 911 Carrera S models

    • Optimized engine management
    • Power-up from 400 to 430hp / 7,500rpm (440 Nm / 5,750rpm).
    • Engine bay styling with titanium-colored cover and carbon inserts
    • Sports exhaust-system
    • Sport Chrono Package with dynamic engine-mount
    • 0-100 km/h: 4.0 s with PDK (C2S: 4.1 s)
    • Vmax: 303 km/h with PDK (C2S: 302 km/h)
     
    "The Carrera S Powerkit contains modified cylinder heads and camshafts, a newly developed variable resonance-type intake system with switchable flaps, centre radiator, a sports exhaust system with two dual tailpipes in a unique design with a concise sound, the Sport Chrono Package with dynamic engine mounts, an optimized engine management plus a new engine bay styling with a titanium-colored cover and inserts in carbon fibre."
     
    The price for this package is €13,804 (€14,230 with PDK-gearbox)
     
    Smiley SmileySmiley

     


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    Boxster Coupe GTS:

    Power-up from 400 to 430hp / 7,500rpm (440 Nm / 5,750rpm).

    Thanks for the details! Smiley

    So same 440 Nm maximum torque, but at 5'750 rpm instead of 5'600 rpm for the Carrera S. Now we just need the torque curve which should be high, wide and flat Smiley The new intake system with the switchable flaps is hopefully handling this nicely for low vs high rpm (just like the 997.2 X51 package).


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    997.2 Carrera S in Carrara White. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.

    987.1 Boxster S in Arctic Silver. OZ Racing Ultraleggera Wheels, H&R Monotube Coil-Over Suspension, H&R Anti-Roll Bars, Sachs Racing Clutch, Single-Mass Flywheel, IPD Plenum, GT3 Throttle Body, Recaro Pole Position Seats, PSE, Alpine Head Unit and Amplifier, Focal Speakers


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    Pentium:

    Makes me wonder how fast the new Turbo will be...

    997 Turbo S territory. Smiley 

    I agree X51 is a must have option and considering the inclusion of Sport Chrono and PSE, it is quite a good deal.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S (at Porsche right now), BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    bluelines:
    Now we just need the torque curve which should be high, wide and flat Smiley The new intake system with the switchable flaps is hopefully handling this nicely for low vs high rpm (just like the 997.2 X51 package).

    Don't expect better low-end torque.  The Carrera S already has a variable intake tract to make max torque across the rev range (started 17 years ago in the 993 Varioram).

    The listed modifications are required to make the extra 30hp at the top of the rev range (7,500rpm).  To make any noticeable difference to torque in the lower revs, you need to add discplacement or forced induction (turbo or supercharging).

    Actually, if the X51 makes the same torque as the Carrera S but 150rpm higher, then it has slightly worse low-end torque by definition (less torque than the Carrera S' at 5,600rpm, but more torque (HP) at 7,500rpm).  So, the shape of the X51 torque curve is necessarily peakier...


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    Grant:

    Don't expect better low-end torque.  The Carrera S already has a variable intake tract to make max torque across the rev range (started 17 years ago in the 993 Varioram).

    I expect better low end torque and better high end power from the X51 package. The whole point of the X51 intake system with the 6 switchable valves is to better handle the transition between different power and torque-optimised geometries. As you point out, VarioRam was once introduced to solve this transition, but had a different design using a second throttle body and a second plenum. Since then it has evolved into the more efficient X51 intake system with 6 valves. By the way, VarioRam was introduced 20 years ago on the 964 RS Smiley

    Below is the torque and power curves for the 997.2 X51 package (solid lines) compared to the Carrera S (dotted lines). More low end torque and more high end power. Voila!

    Screen Shot 2012-06-05 at 1.03.06 AM.png


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    997.2 Carrera S in Carrara White. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.

    987.1 Boxster S in Arctic Silver. OZ Racing Ultraleggera Wheels, H&R Monotube Coil-Over Suspension, H&R Anti-Roll Bars, Sachs Racing Clutch, Single-Mass Flywheel, IPD Plenum, GT3 Throttle Body, Recaro Pole Position Seats, PSE, Alpine Head Unit and Amplifier, Focal Speakers


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    bluelines:
    Grant:

    Don't expect better low-end torque.  The Carrera S already has a variable intake tract to make max torque across the rev range (started 17 years ago in the 993 Varioram).

    I expect better low end torque and better high end power from the X51 package. The whole point of the X51 intake system with the 6 switchable valves is to better handle the transition between different power and torque-optimised geometries. As you point out, VarioRam was once introduced to solve this transition, but had a different design using a second throttle body and a second plenum. Since then it has evolved into the more efficient X51 intake system with 6 valves. By the way, VarioRam was introduced 20 years ago on the 964 RS Smiley

    Below is the torque and power curves for the 997.2 X51 package (solid lines) compared to the Carrera S (dotted lines). More low end torque and more high end power. Voila!

    Screen Shot 2012-06-05 at 1.03.06 AM.png

    Thanks for the good info.  This chart does not seem to be similar to the one on the 991S, otherwise the same peak torque amount wouldn't have come 150 rpm later (it would come earlier if it followed the trend of the chart above).


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    Yeah, which is why I am so keen on seeing the torque curve jumping-smiley-014.gif


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    997.2 Carrera S in Carrara White. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.

    987.1 Boxster S in Arctic Silver. OZ Racing Ultraleggera Wheels, H&R Monotube Coil-Over Suspension, H&R Anti-Roll Bars, Sachs Racing Clutch, Single-Mass Flywheel, IPD Plenum, GT3 Throttle Body, Recaro Pole Position Seats, PSE, Alpine Head Unit and Amplifier, Focal Speakers


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    I cannot see it in the US configurator...cheeky


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    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    ag23:

    I cannot see it in the US configurator...cheeky

    It is not in the Swiss configuration either. Patience Smiley


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    997.2 Carrera S in Carrara White. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.

    987.1 Boxster S in Arctic Silver. OZ Racing Ultraleggera Wheels, H&R Monotube Coil-Over Suspension, H&R Anti-Roll Bars, Sachs Racing Clutch, Single-Mass Flywheel, IPD Plenum, GT3 Throttle Body, Recaro Pole Position Seats, PSE, Alpine Head Unit and Amplifier, Focal Speakers


    Re: X51 for 991S ready...

    Still no torque curve?


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