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    Gordon Murray on power-to-weight ratio

    "Weight saving should be by design and not a post process. Weight is the car designer's biggest enemy. It works against you in every single aspect of vehicle dynamics. Power-to-weight ratio is one of the most misunderstood figures in the automotive world. Achieving a good power-to-weight figure by applying a huge horsepower to a heavy car is in no way the same thing as achieving the same ratio with a very light car."

    --Gordon Murray
    Chief designer of the McLaren F1
    and numerous Formula One cars

    Re: Gordon Murray on power-to-weight ratio

    Then I'm guessing Gordon isn't a big fan of the 4600lbs Bugatti Veyron, even with 1,000HP.

    Re: Gordon Murray on power-to-weight ratio

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    U Boat Commander said:
    Then I'm guessing Gordon isn't a big fan of the 4600lbs Bugatti Veyron, even with 1,000HP.



    True but I still would like to have one even with 4600 lbs.

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    Genius. That's why the F1 will never be trumped by the Veyron

    Re: Gordon Murray on power-to-weight ratio

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    U Boat Commander said:
    Then I'm guessing Gordon isn't a big fan of the 4600lbs Bugatti Veyron, even with 1,000HP.



    That quote came from Murray's analysis on the Veyron, in the new ROAD & TRACK. It's worth reading his entire analysis.

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    Yea but I like the creature comforts my 997 has.

    Re: Gordon Murray on power-to-weight ratio

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    U Boat Commander said:
    Then I'm guessing Gordon isn't a big fan of the 4600lbs Bugatti Veyron, even with 1,000HP.




    Re: Gordon Murray on power-to-weight ratio

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    U Boat Commander said:
    Then I'm guessing Gordon isn't a big fan of the 4600lbs Bugatti Veyron, even with 1,000HP.



    Yeah, the Veyron is better designed for Saturday evening, dressed up, out to dinner and the symphony, the P-CGT, Enzo, or McL for the track. After all, the Veyron at the Indy500 would make about 20 laps before needing to refuel-that's alot of pitstops. But still, the BV is one heck of a GTcar.

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    If I'm misquoting, I'm sure I'll be corrected. Jay Leno compared his McLaren to the Veyron. He said, "The McLaren is an olympic gymnast while the Veyron is just a girl with big boobs."

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    LowPolarMoment said:
    If I'm misquoting, I'm sure I'll be corrected. Jay Leno compared his McLaren to the Veyron. He said, "The McLaren is an olympic gymnast while the Veyron is just a girl with big boobs."



    Yeah, and both have their attractions.

    Re: Gordon Murray on power-to-weight ratio

    Gordon maybe just spitting up some British sour grapes.

    Read any high speed tests of his Mc and after 200mph all say it gets very edgy. His car is WAY slower to 200mph than a Veyron is. So slow that in a race, if the Veyron was to start AFTER the Mc hit 150, the Veyron would soon pass it by. Peich did say said he was going to build the worlds quickest and fastest production car, and he has.

    Gordon has been dethroned and banished to wandering down Colorado boulevard in LA. Maybe he can straighten out the Saleen S7.

    Re: Gordon Murray on power-to-weight ratio

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    Jim_in_Iowa said:
    That quote came from Murray's analysis on the Veyron, in the new ROAD & TRACK. It's worth reading his entire analysis.



    I'm guess he was TALKING about the Bugatti Veyron but THINKING about the McLaren Mercedes SLR.

    His involvement in the development of the SLR was more limited than in the F1, which is why the former car qualified for the supertanker league.

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    fritz said:
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    Jim_in_Iowa said:
    That quote came from Murray's analysis on the Veyron, in the new ROAD & TRACK. It's worth reading his entire analysis.



    I'm guess he was TALKING about the Bugatti Veyron but THINKING about the McLaren Mercedes SLR.

    His involvement in the development of the SLR was more limited than in the F1, which is why the former car qualified for the supertanker league.



    Fritz, Gordon Murray doesnt hesitate to say that it was Mercedes Benz's wierd ideas that turned the SLR into a halloween car.

    Think about this for a moment. If you were making a devil movie and the devil or the devils sister needed a car, the Benz SLR would be a perfect choice.

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    JimFlat6 said:
    Fritz, Gordon Murray doesnt hesitate to say that it was Mercedes Benz's wierd ideas that turned the SLR into a halloween car.




    I know. Going thru the motions of being involved in a project he didn't really believe in must have been very frustrating for him.

    Does your mention of LA mean that he now lives there?

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    fritz said:
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    JimFlat6 said:
    Fritz, Gordon Murray doesnt hesitate to say that it was Mercedes Benz's wierd ideas that turned the SLR into a halloween car.




    I know. Going thru the motions of being involved in a project he didn't really believe in must have been very frustrating for him.

    Yes. He moved to LA and has started up his own engineering/design consulting company.

    Does your mention of LA mean that he now lives there?



    He and Benz really went at it over the SLR.

    The many Benz executives on the project had their own styling ideas. They could not comprehend how much Gordon knew about designing a sports car and they were stubbornly
    fixated on exaggerated styling elements.

    His major contribution to the SLR was making their dreadful creature safe enough to actually drive.

    Google it, I m sure you will find some articles online about the SLR relationship gone sour.

     
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