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    Re: 2016 Best Driver's Car - Motortrend

    J.Seven:
    RC:
    J.Seven:
    RC:

    Well...what can I say...I think I like the result... smiley

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

     

    It has 40hp more, what would you expect, the V10 is sublime Smiley 

    Isn't the McLaren 200 kg lighter? Smiley

    4WD magic Smiley , but one more mile to race and the MC would catch up the R8. Amazing result for the underpowered 911, Porsche really knows how to do it. 

    My point is: At the quarter mile, the Audi R8 was already doing 130 mph (over 200 kph), right? So in all situations below that speed, the R8 would be faster, right? Now I think you understand what I mean.

    I am not arguing here about which car is the better sportscar or better track tool, this is about pure straight line performance under the usual road driving conditions only. Add the sound of the (goosebumps producing) V10 to the mix and the fact that you get the comfort of an Audi A8 if you want/need to, well... Smiley Also, great in rain and even on snow. Smiley Actually, in rain, I destroy any other car on the road (and I'm not talking about crashing something Smiley). The R8 (and maybe the 911 Turbo S to some point) are fun in rain as well (as long as you keep physics/tire grip as an integral part of the equation).

    Yes, I miss the 991.2 Turbo S here...what a shame. 


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

     


    Re: 2016 Best Driver's Car - Motortrend

    RC:
    J.Seven:
    RC:
    J.Seven:
    RC:

    Well...what can I say...I think I like the result... smiley

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

     

    It has 40hp more, what would you expect, the V10 is sublime Smiley 

    Isn't the McLaren 200 kg lighter? Smiley

    4WD magic Smiley , but one more mile to race and the MC would catch up the R8. Amazing result for the underpowered 911, Porsche really knows how to do it. 

    My point is: At the quarter mile, the Audi R8 was already doing 130 mph (over 200 kph), right? So in all situations below that speed, the R8 would be faster, right? Now I think you understand what I mean.

    I am not arguing here about which car is the better sportscar or better track tool, this is about pure straight line performance under the usual road driving conditions only. Add the sound of the (goosebumps producing) V10 to the mix and the fact that you get the comfort of an Audi A8 if you want/need to, well... Smiley

    Yes, I miss the 991.2 Turbo S here...what a shame. 

    It works both ways. The R8 was able to get up to speed quicker because it was from a launch. From a roll, the R8 would be slower the entire time and an even bigger difference in trap speed because they would both have perfect traction from the very beginning.


    Re: 2016 Best Driver's Car - Motortrend

    RC:
    J.Seven:
    RC:
    J.Seven:
    RC:

    Well...what can I say...I think I like the result... smiley

    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

     

    It has 40hp more, what would you expect, the V10 is sublime Smiley 

    Isn't the McLaren 200 kg lighter? Smiley

    4WD magic Smiley , but one more mile to race and the MC would catch up the R8. Amazing result for the underpowered 911, Porsche really knows how to do it. 

    My point is: At the quarter mile, the Audi R8 was already doing 130 mph (over 200 kph), right? So in all situations below that speed, the R8 would be faster, right? Now I think you understand what I mean.

    I am not arguing here about which car is the better sportscar or better track tool, this is about pure straight line performance under the usual road driving conditions only. Add the sound of the (goosebumps producing) V10 to the mix and the fact that you get the comfort of an Audi A8 if you want/need to, well... Smiley Also, great in rain and even on snow. Smiley Actually, in rain, I destroy any other car on the road (and I'm not talking about crashing something Smiley). The R8 (and maybe the 911 Turbo S to some point) are fun in rain as well (as long as you keep physics/tire grip as an integral part of the equation).

    Yes, I miss the 991.2 Turbo S here...what a shame. 


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

     

    You´re so funny Christian Smiley but still I didn´t get you, maybe a draw will help Smiley

    We all know the R8 pros , 570S is a different car which is choosen by a dif kind of client in my view. Both are great sports cars.


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    Re: 2016 Best Driver's Car - Motortrend

    Who races 0-300? If you can reach high speeds you are already moving. For 0-100 AWD will always beat RWD.

    Re: 2016 Best Driver's Car - Motortrend

    SciFrog:
    Who races 0-300? If you can reach high speeds you are already moving. For 0-100 AWD will always beat RWD.

    Exactly. Also, the R8 doesn't need launch control to be fast from standstill. Actually, I only used launch control once and it doesn't make much of a difference (vs. the 991 Turbo S for example).

    Then, people seem to forget traction. I know that many here love RWD and hate AWD but there are roads (and tracks) with many twists and turns and nasty curves and AWD is a huge advantage here. I won't even start with traction in daily driving life, for example when it rains or snows.

    So in the end, it comes down to driving fun and emotions. Some people prefer unstable cars for fun, others a sound inferno. I guess I am part of the latter. Smiley

    Talked to my 12C Spider neighbor again this weekend. No, no more McLaren for him. The main reason is his disappointment with the value of the car but after talking to him a bit longer about this, it came down to two things which he didn't like: Service/reliability (too many little things and the fact that he needed to drive too far for them to get them fixed) and...traction. He was always Autobahn king but on twisty country roads, he almost crashed the car twice. He is used to AWD cars (his first one was a R8, then he drove a 997 Turbo S for a couple of years before he got his 12C Spider) and his next one will be AWD again. Not a McLaren though.

    Make no mistake: I really like the 675LT and would probably get one (if I could afford it) but at the end of the day, I would always get an AWD car. Just a personal preference. Always loved the 911 Turbo S, until Porsche decided to make it too perfect. I know how stupid this sounds but I think we discussed it often enough, no need for another round. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

     


    Re: 2016 Best Driver's Car - Motortrend

    Very good time for R8. Even better and a fantastic time for 991.2 Carrera S.


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    458 italia smiley

     


    Re: 2016 Best Driver's Car - Motortrend

    There is no real advantage to AWD on a dry road unless you're just going insanely fast. I've never even bothered to change the Pzeros on my 12C and I've never had an issue with traction. Can't imagine how fast I'd need to be going to have traction issues. There is a 25mph turn near me that I can take at like 60, and most of the time I can't even do it because there is a car going 30 in front of me.

    In the wet I just don't drive fast anyway since it's just not safe. Even an R8 will lose traction in rain if you mash the throttle.


    Re: 2016 Best Driver's Car - Motortrend

    noone1:

    There is no real advantage to AWD on a dry road unless you're just going insanely fast. I've never even bothered to change the Pzeros on my 12C and I've never had an issue with traction. Can't imagine how fast I'd need to be going to have traction issues. There is a 25mph turn near me that I can take at like 60, and most of the time I can't even do it because there is a car going 30 in front of me.

    In the wet I just don't drive fast anyway since it's just not safe. Even an R8 will lose traction in rain if you mash the throttle.

    Straight line? No. Twisty roads? Oh boy, where should I start? Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: 2016 Best Driver's Car - Motortrend

    You'd have to be going way quicker than is safe, and at most you see a few mph difference, which is completely negligible. Without a speedometer in each car, you wouldn't even be able to notice the difference.


    Re: 2016 Best Driver's Car - Motortrend

    noone1:

    You'd have to be going way quicker than is safe, and at most you see a few mph difference, which is completely negligible. Without a speedometer in each car, you wouldn't even be able to notice the difference.

    Well, I can tell you from our group drives that AWD matters, especially on public roads which are often not really that good and/or clean. Most people drive with ESP turned on or in various sport modes (still keeping the ESP on but less sensitive) on public roads and AWD cars usually "use" their AWD system to it's full potential first before they encounter traction issues and the ESP starts working. Meaning: While my ESP doesn't say a peep, especially in Performance mode (in Dynamic mode, it comes on from time to time but not intrusive at all), the other cars with RWD have serious issues with oversteer, understeer or both and the ESP coming on at some point. Smiley 

    We may not be always that slow when it happens but definitely not triple Smiley the legal speed.

    This is why I always go in the back (I prefer last one, so I don't have anyone kick me in the rear Smiley, I'm one of those crazy last possible moment braking guys) of the group, I can always fall back and close in again (if I'm lucky enough not to drive with real pros in the group) or I can try to keep up with the masters, which even with AWD isn't always easy (but I do pretty well for myself). Of course nothing beats skills and there is a guy in his CGT I cannot really keep up with, not even with AWD. Yes...CGT...the car Nick (nberry) claims is dangerous as hell. Not if you're skilled enough to know how to drive it. Sometimes we're joking that this guy has secretly installed AWD in the CGT because he safely(!) drives this car at (stable) speeds which are just insane.Smiley Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

     


    Re: 2016 Best Driver's Car - Motortrend

    I remember ESP kicking in regularly and quite often in a BMW M5 (V-10 version) even on straight dry highways. And rear tire wear rates confirmed the problem.


    Re: 2016 Best Driver's Car - Motortrend

    KMM:

    I remember ESP kicking in regularly and quite often in a BMW M5 (V-10 version) even on straight dry highways. And rear tire wear rates confirmed the problem.

    We had a guy in a (latest or pre-latest SL63, I cannot really tell the difference anymoreSmiley) driving with us once and he is a former racing license instructor and a pretty good driver. It was impossible for him to keep up with any of us, so he quit joining (which was pretty sad because he was funny as hell, our own private entertainer Smiley Smiley). Yes, it was definitely the car (huge traction issues, even with ESP turned off...well almost). Power isn't everything...


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


     
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