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    Re: Couple more facelift

    yep!

    Re: Couple more facelift

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    Italo said:
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    reginos said:
    The tiptronic type of paddles will be more ergonomic than collumn mounted ones. You will not need to extend your fingers from the wheel.



    the beauty of paddles isto be able to extend your hands beyond the steerong wheel F1 style and pull back, not press on a cheap plastic button. The blades (ferrari) or flaps on other cars gives the driver a sense of involement and urge to test the limit of the car, I could assure you that the flimsy plastic sticks don't


    Maybe the buttons in the Panamera picture are longer than tiptronic because you can use both to change up or down by pressing or pulling respectively. You press either button (left or right) to change up, you pull either button to change down.

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    Enzo911 said:
    You could draw it








    Something like this?



    if thats it, i would just stick with manual.

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    The paddles work great in every other car (F, Lambo, AM), why bother with something so different...

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    SciFrog said:
    The paddles work great in every other car (F, Lambo, AM), why bother with something so different...


    I am sure there must be good reason! We cannot judge the functionality of something by merely looking at pictures and without trying it, can we? I also realise from reading the posts above that for many of you paddles are not components for changing gears but some kind of automotive fetish. Let Porsche try something different, if the info we get is accurate.

    Re: Couple more facelift

    The paddles should not be tied with the wheel, but with the dash. Try it, you will see, it is pretty obvious.

    No fetish here, just a great technological advance...

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    F1,WRC cars and Porsche - all have paddles on the steering wheels not dash. Pretty obvious decision, you can steer and chage gear at the same time !!

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    Ferrari road cars have them on the dash, go figure.

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    WOW... yes - they looked like those on the Panamera!

    Indeed this looks a bit cheap! doesn't it?

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    Lars997 said:
    WOW... yes - they looked like those on the Panamera!

    Indeed this looks a bit cheap! doesn't it?



    cheap is an understatement, it's total crap ! They shouls check what other people are doing..Ferrari, Lamb, AM and stop trying to invent crap by cutting cost. Look at the tip buttons, a complete eyesore

    New pics of 911 Facelift...

    Thanks to Car...

    Car-magazine_911-spyshots_Link



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    Porsche 911 - Car Magazine

    (04 April 2008)

    "Porsche will upgrade the 911 this summer, in the latest of a long line of improvements to the 40-year-old sports car. It will be on sale in UK showrooms in autumn 2008 and those evolution-not-revolution looks hide a raft of technical changes including (finally!) a new twin-clutch gearbox.

    The 997's engines will get direction injection - as the Cayenne did - to lower emissions, improve fuel consumption and increase power. And that double-clutch gearbox, called PDK in Porsche speak, will allow electric-fast gearchanges and improved economy.

    Porsche 911: the engine

    The 3.6- and 3.8-litre flat six boxer engines will gain the same direct injection system that the Cayenne received early in 2007. In the controversial SUV that brought a little extra gruffness, but 10-15 percent more power and torque, and a similar reduction in fuel consumption.

    PDK transmission

    After much delay, Porsche will finally announce its Porsche Doppel Kupplungen gearbox. Its new partners at the VW Group stole a march on the Stuttgart manufacturer with DSG, and only now is Porsche getting its own system. Let's hope it's been worth the wait.

    Our spies have grabbed the first shots inside the 911. The main cabin architecture appears to be the same as today's car, but Porsche has tweaked the fiddly centre console and sat-nav system. Gone is the spray-on silver finish, replaced by a darker console with chrome highlights.

    A full family of 911s

    We've snapped the Targa, Cabriolet and Coupe versions, giving us a clear indication of the 'new' 911 look. Unsurprisingly, it's very close to today's car. At the front there are new indicators and a reprofiled, curvier front bumper. You'll need a degree in Porsche anorakdom to spot the changes if we're being honest.

    The rear is pepped up by curvier light clusters and the third brake lights are now illuminated by LEDs. Engineers at most car companies love light emitting diodes - they're smaller allow designers more flexibility, they last longer than bulbs and they are quicker to react than conventional filaments, warning drivers behind faster. Oh, and they look quite cool, too.

    It's all well and good, but when's the next proper new 911?

    We hear the next step-change in the 911 saga comes in 2011. Details are shaky at this stage, but it will be codenamed 991 and keep the world's best-known sports car ticking over until 2018. And, yes, it will still be rear-engined..."

    Car-Magazine_911-Facelift_Link


    Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...

    Few remarks:

    -all test mules are wide body Carrera 4/Targa 4 cars. Makes me wonder NO narrow body 997 any more?
    -new exterior rear view mirrors looks like LKW(in German!) POS(in English). I know-EU regulations.
    -new Navi is the same as in VW Passat. Good or bad thing?
    -steering wheel on Targa 4S mule is the same as before

    All in all not bad. BUT, the question about few other thing remains:
    -will Porsche introduce 997 Turbo facelift at the same time as normal 997 range? If not-who will order 997 Turbo until facelift is introduced?

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    Boxster Coupe GTS said:
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    New navigation and air condition unit.

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    KresoF1 said:
    Few remarks:

    -all test mules are wide body Carrera 4/Targa 4 cars. Makes me wonder NO narrow body 997 any more?
    -new exterior rear view mirrors looks like LKW(in German!) POS(in English). I know-EU regulations.
    -new Navi is the same as in VW Passat. Good or bad thing?
    -steering wheel on Targa 4S mule is the same as before

    All in all not bad. BUT, the question about few other thing remains:
    -will Porsche introduce 997 Turbo facelift at the same time as normal 997 range? If not-who will order 997 Turbo until facelift is introduced?



    the question now is do you think the facelift is worth getting ?

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    Boxster Coupe GTS said:
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    It seems they got rid of this ugly "vulkan grey" PCM unit. It appears black or at least much darker.

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    Italo said:
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    KresoF1 said:
    Few remarks:

    -all test mules are wide body Carrera 4/Targa 4 cars. Makes me wonder NO narrow body 997 any more?
    -new exterior rear view mirrors looks like LKW(in German!) POS(in English). I know-EU regulations.
    -new Navi is the same as in VW Passat. Good or bad thing?
    -steering wheel on Targa 4S mule is the same as before

    All in all not bad. BUT, the question about few other thing remains:
    -will Porsche introduce 997 Turbo facelift at the same time as normal 997 range? If not-who will order 997 Turbo until facelift is introduced?



    the question now is do you think the facelift is worth getting ?



    I think this is what porsche wants us to think RIGHT NOW, but in about one month or so, the FL will introduce new options, new "minor" exterior changes, that will eventually think about getting the mk2, apart of this, we dont know at all, what bhp will the engine come with....IT has to be about a 10% - 15% increase, for the carrera S it will be a minimum of 390bhp and a maximum of 408bhp (15% increase)

    I say, we should just wait about 2more weeks, before we underate the FL minor exterior changes

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    yeah .. keep dreaming

    408 bhp would be 53 more BHP. it will be more or less 375/380 BHP

    As for the new center console do you know if it is possible to upgrade it in the 997 MK1 ?

    Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...

    The answer is NO.

    Turbo won't be introduced during 08.

    Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...

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    reginos said:
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    Boxster Coupe GTS said:
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    It seems they got rid of this ugly "vulkan grey" PCM unit. It appears black or at least much darker.



    Finally!
    The PCM color was probably the most sore point in the 997 interior...

    They are moving in the right direction, slowly but surely... But the competition is running in the right direction...

    Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...

    Rear tailights in those photos are still taped up? Is the lower black streak tape?

    Re: New pics of 911 Facelift...

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    KresoF1 said:
    Few remarks:

    -all test mules are wide body Carrera 4/Targa 4 cars. Makes me wonder NO narrow body 997 any more?
    -new exterior rear view mirrors looks like LKW(in German!) POS(in English). I know-EU regulations.
    -new Navi is the same as in VW Passat. Good or bad thing?
    -steering wheel on Targa 4S mule is the same as before

    All in all not bad. BUT, the question about few other thing remains:
    -will Porsche introduce 997 Turbo facelift at the same time as normal 997 range? If not-who will order 997 Turbo until facelift is introduced?


    Also some cars (e.g. Targa and Coupe) have a strip between the rear lights and others (e.g. Cabrio) do not. It could a reflector strip (like 993/996 C4S) to differentiate 4wd models?

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    Probably not. They usually tape up the model designation. You also can see tape over the porsche crest in the centre of the steering wheel and often on the bonnet too...
    -Joost-

    Edit: Sorry, took another look and see what you meant. There s a difference between the lines in the body panels between the wing and the bumper too... surprisingly.

     
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