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    New M6 CSL??? news ZSG gearbox?

    New BMW M6 CSL?
    At this years Frankfurt IAA. BMW are planning to show a BMW M6 CSL Concept Car . This will give a very good indication of how BMW are planning their M (CSL) cars to stand out from the road going versions.

    Think of it as a modern interpretation of such as the BMW 3.5 CSL especially as it evolutionised over the years in which the BMW E9 coupe is in fact a precursor to today's current 6er Coupe range.

    Although the M6 uses as standard a Carbon Fibre roof. The plans for CSL cars are to use more weight reducing Carbon Fibre internally and externally. Lightweight glass and more enhanced aerodynamics with sufficient increased power the V10 is expected to go up to 550 PS. This will make the BMW M6 CSL become more hardcore and raw with earth shattering enhancements in speed, handling and will sound louder than the standard road cars - Think direct competition with the M6 CSL against the Porsche 997 GT3/RS and Aston Martin DBS.

    The M6 CSL Concept car will also showcase the introduction of the ZSG Gearbox.

    Visually the M6 will differ from it's standard car by offering new M cues as seen on the recent BMW M3 Concept Car.

    Causing much mystery is the appearance of a bulge on the bonnet of some M6 photographs, this will be supplemented with a pair of vents on each side . The front bumper changes to a unupturned shape similar to todays car and the upcoming BMW M3 with a curved bottom ledge - carbon Fibre aerodynamic spoilers sit below the brake cooling vents .

    On the side of the wings the M6 CSL will receive air vents similar to the M3 , The wheel design will be the same design as today's standard car but the spokes will be of Multi-Spoke design. at the rear there is a slightly larger vent underneath the licence plate and the standard mirrors are replaced by the same design as the new M3's aerodynamic mirrors.

    Whilst the BMW M3 and BMW M6 will more than definetely be greenlighted to get a CSL model. BMW are deciding on offering a CSL model of the Z4M Coupe and the upcoming BMW 1er Coupe.

    Whilst seen as a Concept Car. BMW will use the M6 CSL as a test bed for new lightweight technologies and will use reaction to determine production reality.
    With all this requiring serious legislation for the North American market. Currently as of now BMW do not intend to offer these models in the USA.

    Re: New M6 CSL???

    I've found other news about this new gearbox

    ZSG stands for Zentral-Syncron-Getriebe

    "..this SMG 4 has a dual clutch system like VW and AUDI for D 1-5 and S 1-5 shift programs.. so its jus like a more advanced SMGIII with faster shifting and super smooth shifts..

    BUT when you press S6.. with DSC off and all that goes with it something BRAND NEW is going to happen for a road car.. the clutches will be disengaged all together just like an F1 car and the changes will happen more quickly than any SMG or DSG.. when you pull the change up lever the ECU will cut the revs just enough in an instant and slot in the next ratio in a wildly fast time and in brutal fashion..

    This will be the fastest shifting system around.. but only in S6.. S1-5 and D1-5 will use the dual clutch system..

    Its how formula 1 do it.. they only use a clutch to pull off.. the computer does the rest.."

    "..this has been confirmed by friends who work in the factory here ( 3 series production ). they have already recieved maintenance training on it.."

    Re: New M6 CSL???

    Kreso,do you have any info about????

    Re: New M6 CSL???

    m6csl vs gtr3s

    is this a joke?

    Re: New M6 CSL???

    Quote:
    andrea said:
    I've found other news about this new gearbox

    ZSG stands for Zentral-Syncron-Getriebe

    "..this SMG 4 has a dual clutch system like VW and AUDI for D 1-5 and S 1-5 shift programs.. so its jus like a more advanced SMGIII with faster shifting and super smooth shifts..

    BUT when you press S6.. with DSC off and all that goes with it something BRAND NEW is going to happen for a road car.. the clutches will be disengaged all together just like an F1 car and the changes will happen more quickly than any SMG or DSG.. when you pull the change up lever the ECU will cut the revs just enough in an instant and slot in the next ratio in a wildly fast time and in brutal fashion..

    This will be the fastest shifting system around.. but only in S6.. S1-5 and D1-5 will use the dual clutch system..

    Its how formula 1 do it.. they only use a clutch to pull off.. the computer does the rest.."

    "..this has been confirmed by friends who work in the factory here ( 3 series production ). they have already recieved maintenance training on it.."



    sounds fantastic to me! let's hope for a Z4M CSL with 420hp and ZSG !

    Porsche beware...

    Re: New M6 CSL???

    New things that M6 will get (Zsg, more power, less weight and I hope better brakes) can put m6 in gt3 range..I'm not telling it will be a better car, but it will be in gt3 range..

    Re: New M6 CSL???

    Quote:
    andrea said:
    Kreso,do you have any info about????



    Andrea,

    Your info is pretty accurate...

    BUT, my question how reliable will new SMG4(ZSG) be???
    As you can see this new S6 programm will be a true torture for drive train and gearbox! How many LC starts will be allowed without any problems? What about heat issue(this new ZSG will be very hot during LC starts in S6 programm!)?

    AND the FACT that BMW will launch new M3 as manual only first speak for itself IMHO...

    I WOULD NOT buy ZSG(SMG4) car in first production year(but also NOT PDK as well!). Too many potential problems...

    Re: New M6 CSL???

    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    Quote:
    andrea said:
    Kreso,do you have any info about????



    Andrea,

    Your info is pretty accurate...

    BUT, my question how reliable will new SMG4(ZSG) be???
    As you can see this new S6 programm will be a true torture for drive train and gearbox! How many LC starts will be allowed without any problems? What about heat issue(this new ZSG will be very hot during LC starts in S6 programm!)?

    AND the FACT that BMW will launch new M3 as manual only first speak for itself IMHO...

    I WOULD NOT buy ZSG(SMG4) car in first production year(but also NOT PDK as well!). Too many potential problems...



    Yes, I think about the same.a big big risk this new zsg.however very interesting problem

    Re: New M6 CSL???

    I dont see why PDK should be a problem as it is a DSG gearshift which now has beenin production for quite some time. I agree that different forces apply on a Porsche than on a Golf, but I'm pretty confident it will work brilliantly.
    With regards to the ZSG4 I'm sure it will come with some 'limitations of use' kind of warning for that race mode. Similiar to launch control use restrictions..
    but hey, we should applaude BMW for bringing something new and not just a me too product!

    Re: New M6 CSL???

    I don't see why the new S6 function would be harsh on the gearbox. Haven't any of you ever driven a car when the clutch is gone? Besides the challenge of slotting into first, the rest of the gear changes are pretty easy if you know how to match the engine speed to the gear. That's the whole concept behind heel and toe as well. So I don't see how it would be mechanically harmful. Very interesting concept by BMW indeed.

    Re: New M6 CSL???

    Every new gear is little bit problematic IMHO.
    Just look at number of replaced SMGIII gearboxes on M5/M6...

    New ZSG will be complicated as hell. You will be able to achive the best possible acceleration ONLY in S6 programm-which mean NOT in everyday driving situation(but the same thing is with start procedure for 997 turbo TIP!) IMHO.

    PDK will feature 7speed and is pretty different then S-Tronic(DSG) is current low power Audi's and VW's...

    Also if BMW is pretty sure in ZSG why will they introduce new M3 just as manual for first production year? ZSG will be ready in late spring 2008 for M3...

    And Porsche will introduce PDK just for 997 facelifted models(as TIP replacement). At first NOT for 997 turbo... New 997 GT2 will be manual ONLY as is 997 GT3/GT3RS. Porsche plan for PDK is to replace TIP, NOT manual.

    Re: New M6 CSL???

    Here in CA BMW dealers are selling M5's with 6 speed, they are hot

    Re: New M6 CSL???

    Quote:
    KresoF1 said:
    Also if BMW is pretty sure in ZSG why will they introduce new M3 just as manual for first production year? ZSG will be ready in late spring 2008 for M3...




    Maybe the reason for that is that they want to do testing of new gearbox and to solve all problems before production starts..not like SMG3, when problems were fixing after production..
    For me, that is better way of dealing with new technology in cars..

    Re: New M6 CSL??? news ZSG gearbox?

    BMW are deciding on offering a CSL model of the Z4M Coupe.....


    Very interesting

     
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