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    Break in miles? First oil change?

    When is a 997 broken in? My North American owner's manual says wait 2,000 miles before exceeding 4,200 rpm. One Porsche friend told me 500 miles. My service guy said privately "Drive the sh**t out of it. Break it in fast and it will drive fast. Break it in slow and it will drive slow."

    Also, when should I change oil the first time?


    Thanks, Chipper


    Re: Break in miles? First oil change?

    Chipper, try doing a search on these 2 topics.
    Lots of good (pro/con) info already discussed here on these.

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    The oil you don't need to worry about until 10K. This is synthetic oil and it does not lose it's vicosity as fast as conventional motoroil. Porsche would advise you otherwise and would have loved to take your money if oil change prior to 10K was even necessary. If you drive in traffic everyday and under dusty conditons then perhaps!! As for breaking the car in. You can rev it over 4200 rpm but for a few short second and quick drop to lower RPM's. Do not redline and do not let the car labor. Try to drive in different gears and different RPM's. Do not push it to the limit until 2000 miles.

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    I understand the owner manual says perfer to take "
    long trip". Any one has any ideal what is consider as long trip and short trip???

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    My dealer said drive it normally. What ever that means. The service guy said 1000 miles should be fine but you can punch it once in awhile.

    Then the other guy said don't take it on long trips. I listened to the service guy.

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    When I had my 997S at the dealership for the System Fault repair, they suggested I have the oil changed at the same time. I think it had about 600 miles on it. Seemed like cheap insurance so I had them do it.

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    Brian E said:
    When I had my 997S at the dealership for the System Fault repair, they suggested I have the oil changed at the same time. I think it had about 600 miles on it. Seemed like cheap insurance so I had them do it.



    Very interesting......

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    My sales guy said first @ 5000 miles then every 20K. Didn't question him... been there 14 years.

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    I believe Porsche suggests at 20,000 miles.
    My sales guy added "OR, if less than 20,000 driven yearly, then once a year".

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    The guy who did my car handover at the factory collection said to change the oil every 30000 km or every 2 years whatever comes first. That would also be valid for the first oil change. Exactly the same figures are written in the manual and the 997 brochure (German version).
    However, I had the car in after 3000 km (end of break in, again German version) to fix some problems and let them change the oil and the oil filter. Two service guys I questioned about the first oil change said that the first oil change can have the same interval than all others. Nevertheless, one would do a change after 5000 km if it would be his car and the other said he wouldn't stop me if I insisted on a change

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    Quote:
    Brian E said:
    When I had my 997S at the dealership for the System Fault repair, they suggested I have the oil changed at the same time. I think it had about 600 miles on it. Seemed like cheap insurance so I had them do it.


    When I got my tire replaced I asked the same thing to the service manager. After servicing numerous 997s, they now say follow Porsche's recommendation and change it at 20,000 miles.

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    chipper said:
    When is a 997 broken in? My North American owner's manual says wait 2,000 miles before exceeding 4,200 rpm. One Porsche friend told me 500 miles. My service guy said privately "Drive the sh**t out of it. Break it in fast and it will drive fast. Break it in slow and it will drive slow."




    Chipper,
    It has indeed been discussed several times on the forum, perform a search and you'll find plenty of usefly info.
    There is not really a right way, 2000 miles at 4200 rpm is certainly over the top and I do not know where this anal value of 4200 rpm from, why not 4132 rpm while we're at it.
    The general rule is first 1000 miles, vary the load of the engine, don't red line it, or of you do, don't stay high but do a burst of engine, condition the brakes (couple of hard stops and then start again to ventilate them).
    But engine wise, yeah, load variation is most important, then gradually go from gentle to hard driving. Past 1000 rpm, I'd consider yourself free to go for it but that's up to you, 2000 is definitely more than enough.
    In any case, NEVER load the engine when cold, NEVER!
    And the first 1000 miles or so, avoid short trips and mostly city traffic.
    Good luck.

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    We went round and round on this over 6 months ago. This new thread, I think, gives you a pretty good "real life" direction to go. Drive normal, you won't hurt anything if you zip it up here or there, just don't make it a habit. DRIVE NORMAL, and you'll be fine. And in my opinion, 2,000 miles isn't some "magical moment", right after which you can do whatever you want, but right before you would be doomed if you exceeded 4,200... Just think about it, with common sense. As you pass 1,000 miles and approach 2,000 miles, you can slowly enjoy your car more and more.

    Myself and others received all sorts of s*** from break-in religious fanatics ("if the manual says this, you MUST FOLLOW PORSCHE'S EDICT TO THE LETTER, HEIL PORSCHE....." as they goose-step back and forth in front of their computers, you get the picture...) because I was so laid back in my approach with my own car.

    Ironically, in 6,000 miles, I've still yet to have the need to add any oil to my 997S. It's only gone down one notch on the scale since new. Now, that's admittedly not a conclusive test for future engine longevity and performance, but it tells you something...

    I think Fanch is on the money, and his point about the rather arbitrary 4200 rpms illuminates the fact that this is a SUGGESTED GUIDELINE, not an absolute warranty-risking requirement, and it's designed in such a way to keep it simple for the real mechanical dummies amongst us that own Porsches. If Porsche wrote a 2 page thesis on break-in, that covered varying loads, metallurgy, tolerances, and being o.k. to blip up to redline, but don't keep it there, etc.etc.etc..., 1. Most bone-head non-car-guys wouldn't bother reading it because it was too long-winded and technical, and 2. If they did, it would go right over their heads.

    So Porsche comes up with a simple bozo-proof suggestion for mass consumption. It protects their interests as best it can, as not all Porsche buyers are ex-F1-engine builders. If Jessica Simpson buys a 2006 997S, she just needs to know "keep it under the numbers 4200 on this gauge, sweetie, until the numbers 2000.00 come up over here...". That, essentially, is why the break-in suggestion exists in such basic and overkill terms. It's the "KISS" principle, Keep It Simple Stupid.

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    I had 375 miles on my P-car and the other day I inadvertently took the tac to 4202.
    Did I ruin my new engine and will I go to Hell?
    (o.k., sorry, just kidding.)

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    Poseur (dweiser) said:
    I had 375 miles on my P-car and the other day I inadvertently took the tac to 4202.
    Did I ruin my new engine and will I go to Hell?
    (o.k., sorry, just kidding.)




    If I remember right, Porsche prints "4500 rpm" in the UK manual, so when you accidentally go over 4200 in the U.S., stop the car, hop in the RH seat, pop a Guinness, set your clock ahead 5 hours, and in your best cockney accent, say "ahh, it's no big deal...". Then get back in the LH seat, and continue on your way....

    Re: Break in miles? First oil change?

    I talked with a friend of mine (engineer working at Porsche in Zuffenhausen) and he told me "push the pedal to the metal" right from the beginning. Every single engine is tested on an engine test stand before it is put into the car. During this tests the motor runs several minutes at maximum power. So no need to worry; just have fun.

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    except for N.America regions, there's no recommendation of any RPM to stay below during breakin period.

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    I intend to change my oil at least once a year. For less then $75 (DIY) I don't see the point of waiting two years.

    AFAIK PCNA manuals are the only ones that have a specific RPM recommendation. Would someone in the UK and other markets please verify this.

    From one of the 997 Euro Porsche manuals.


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    P997C2S said:
    AFAIK PCNA manuals are the only ones that have a specific RPM recommendation. Would someone in the UK and other markets please verify this.




    According to Rennteamers from Hong Kong they have 4500rpm. Here is a translation of the break-in recommendations in the German manual I posted in another break-in thread a while ago: Link to Rennteam break-in thread

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    I changed the oil in my 997 after 500 miles. I believe that there are metal particles in a new motor that end up in your oil pan with in the first 500 miles or so. After that it will be every 3000 like all my other cars. I realize that the oil is synthetic but these cars are known to burn oil. As far as breaking the car in, don't labor or lug it, don't red line it and let it stay there, don't push it to its limit but you can drive this car aggressively. It will break in knowing that you will be asking it to perform at its best once it's broken in which is about 500 miles. You can use the factory number of 2000 miles but don't only rev it to 4200 RPM's for that period. I have consulted many prosche specialists and professional drivers. I have also built many chevy motors. After I spend the money to build them we take them to the dyno and you know what they do there. They run the hell out of that brand new motor. Just my opions and personal experiences. Good luck and congrats on you new 997, I love mine...

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    tommy997S said:
    I changed the oil in my 997 after 500 miles. I believe that there are metal particles in a new motor that end up in your oil pan with in the first 500 miles or so. After that it will be every 3000 like all my other cars. I realize that the oil is synthetic but these cars are known to burn oil. As far as breaking the car in, don't labor or lug it, don't red line it and let it stay there, don't push it to its limit but you can drive this car aggressively. It will break in knowing that you will be asking it to perform at its best once it's broken in which is about 500 miles. You can use the factory number of 2000 miles but don't only rev it to 4200 RPM's for that period. I have consulted many prosche specialists and professional drivers. I have also built many chevy motors. After I spend the money to build them we take them to the dyno and you know what they do there. They run the hell out of that brand new motor. Just my opions and personal experiences. Good luck and congrats on you new 997, I love mine...



    A couple of points I'll make:

    1. Porsche already runs the motor in at the factory, and then drains the run-in oil, and fills back up with fresh. That takes care of 99.9% of any metallic dust or particals, as it's the initial run-in where most of that wear and rub-off will happen. Anything else after that, during a 2,000 mile break-in, is nominal and will stay inside the filter

    2. Your Porsche 3.8L holds 12 QUARTS (I think), almost 3 times as much oil as a small block 5.7L chevy, and is a fraction of the displacement. When you think of oil "use", you don't measure it in miles, you measure it in CYCLES. Because of the huge capacity (just ballparking it) the oil in your 997 will actually see about the exact same amount of wear/work/use/cycles in 10,000-12,000 miles (by following the amount of times it will cycle from the reservoir, to the engine, and back to the reservoir) as a 5.7L chevy's oil would in 3,000 miles. Add to that:

    * The fact that we're talking about Mobile 1 synthetic....

    * That 5,000 miles (not 3,000) is the change interval Chevrolet recommends for it's modern-day 5.7L for years now....

    * That the 3,000 mile oil-change interval is a dinosaur from back in the days of poorer machine and assembly precision, less use of hardened alloys, and is only kept around today by "Jiffy Lube" because they make more money by scaring you into changing oil more often....

    When you consider and extrapolate all of those above facts into a logical schematic, you come straight to the conclusion that given the capacity, the precision, the displacement, the synthetic oil's endurance and properties, and the big oil coolers on the 997 that also extend oil life.... Porsche's 20,000 mile recommended interval is NOT excessive or out of the question or risky.

    Applying home-built Chevy small block logic to a new Porsche flat-six is mechanically false and misguided, and I've got more than a few small block Chevy's in the building myself.

    It's like trying to cram an Elephant's diet down the throat of a monkey.

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    During the factory tour I did last month we were shown the Engine production line (1 guy builds 1 engine) and also shown where they dyno test every engine to be sure it makes AT LEAST 100% of its quoted torque and power rating. Every engine is run for 30 minutes. 10 minutes to warm it up, ten minutes at maximum power and 10 at maximum torque. (Not sure if continuous but you get the idea). If it does not reach 100% it is rejected and taken to pieces. German law says that manufacturers quotes should be at least 95%. Porsche insists on 100% or more.I suggest that short of a track day or prolonged autobahn running there's not much that you or I are going to do which is going to be harder than this other than labouring the engine at low speed or thrashing from cold which none of us would do I hope. I think for oil chages if you do lots of short trips its best to change the oil more frequently becuase of the build up of condensation as with any engine but if you do mostly long trips I see no reason why Porsche would recommend 20,000 miles between changes if it were not safe.In any case it does no harm to change oil more frequesntly if you trust your dealer(!) and you can afford it I suppose.

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    Quote:
    Hooch said:
    I talked with a friend of mine (engineer working at Porsche in Zuffenhausen) and he told me "push the pedal to the metal" right from the beginning. Every single engine is tested on an engine test stand before it is put into the car. During this tests the motor runs several minutes at maximum power. So no need to worry; just have fun.



    My dealer basically said the same thing. Engine is already tested in the factory so just go and have fun.........

    Re: Break in miles? First oil change?

    69bossnine is correct, Porsche actually runs the engines to equivalent of 500 miles before they put them in the car. With 12 quarts of oil, the car is pretty safe no needing the 1st oil change until 10K. Keep in mind the car is under warranty and Porsche would be crazy recommending something that will hurt the car under warranty and cost them more money.

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    I have read many posts on this site reciting oil consumption. My car has about 2600 miles and I have added TWO QUARTS of oil and my gauge is presently down one notch. Based upon what I have read this appears to be well on the HIGH side of consumption. I do not have any visible leak on my garage floor. I don't know whether I should be concerned with the oil consumption or just continue to monitor it since I have been informed that oil consumption is higher during break-in and slows as the engine accumulates more miles.

    What is the feeling of other members concerning my oil consumption and how does it compare to yours?

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    I don't know I have now 500 miles on mine and so far so good. I had a 996C4S with 2500 miles and it did not lose any oil. If there is no leak and no smoke then it's just a tight engine and consumption and you should be okay.

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    red911 said:
    I have read many posts on this site reciting oil consumption. My car has about 2600 miles and I have added TWO QUARTS of oil and my gauge is presently down one notch. Based upon what I have read this appears to be well on the HIGH side of consumption. I do not have any visible leak on my garage floor. I don't know whether I should be concerned with the oil consumption or just continue to monitor it since I have been informed that oil consumption is higher during break-in and slows as the engine accumulates more miles.

    What is the feeling of other members concerning my oil consumption and how does it compare to yours?




    Red911:

    Just curious, of those 2600 miles, how would you describe your driving style, or "break-in" procedure? Have you been driving the car hard, shifting at or near red-line frequently, or have you been taking it easy, keeping it under the "recommended 4200 rpm"?

    I'd be interested to see if there's a relationship with higher (or lower) oil consumption to those who break-in their cars "according to the book" vs. "pedal to the medal" right off the lot

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    I have about 5500 miles in 4 months for my 987 S - and I recently had to add half a liter more of oil ... I'm assuming driving aggresively contributes to the increased oil consumption?

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    Sorry , but that comment about there being a limit on rpm only in NA is quite wrong. The UK has an even tougher statement than ours, from the EVO guys who had a 997S for a year (and they did run-in on a long European trip ----motorways (likely rather constant rpm), and then floored the engine etc, which is also mildy ridiculous). The suggestion in the Manual to take LONG drives (likely at quite limited and constant revs), is a very bad way of running this engine in. I agree with all of the above substantial suggestions. KiwiCanuck 997 PASM

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    MHakkinen,

    I did touch redline in the first few gears with under 100 miles but I would characterize my driving style as moderate. I certainly did not stay under the 4200 rpm range but also did not red line the car except for a very few times. Generally, a would say that I shifted at around 5000 rpm's. My trips were generally in the 30-100 miles range. I don't think I have ever driven the car more than 100 miles on a trip. So, I would say that my driving style is moderately aggressive. I guess I should check for smoke under heavy acceleration but there is definitely no smoke or even a faint smell of smoke on start up. I have been driving 911's since the 70's and remember my first 911, a 1972 911T used a quart of oil every 600 miles and under heavy acceleration reminded me of the mosquito sprayers that ran the streets of my home town during the summers.

     
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