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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    That, and why does the rear light "sabre" need to be interrupted in the middle? Same goes on current Panamera's, is it technically too difficult to have a longer unit?


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Fixed it for you :-)

     

     


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Looks weird


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Porker:

    That, and why does the rear light "sabre" need to be interrupted in the middle? Same goes on current Panamera's, is it technically too difficult to have a longer unit?

    You're right, looks really weird. No clue why they did that... 


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Latest rumor: 992 Turbo S gets 670 hp, apparently this was spotted in a preliminary specs document.

    Unfortunately this high output figure also seems to indicate that there won't be 960, it wouldn't make sense anymore.

    Sorry, this is all I got...


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Joost:
    Porker:

    That, and why does the rear light "sabre" need to be interrupted in the middle? Same goes on current Panamera's, is it technically too difficult to have a longer unit?

    You're right, looks really weird. No clue why they did that... 

    These light „sabres“ are illuminated by LEDs located at one or both ends, to achieve a homogenous illumination you need this separation as otherwise you would have a light peak at entry point or not enough light for the entire width.


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Ferdie:
    Joost:
    Porker:

    That, and why does the rear light "sabre" need to be interrupted in the middle? Same goes on current Panamera's, is it technically too difficult to have a longer unit?

    You're right, looks really weird. No clue why they did that... 

    These light „sabres“ are illuminated by LEDs located at one or both ends, to achieve a homogenous illumination you need this separation as otherwise you would have a light peak at entry point or not enough light for the entire width.

    Ah, ok, I thought they were illuminated along the entire side of it.
    So, in order to get a higher quality (homogenous lihting vs the cheaper dotted look), the trade-off is to have the cut, due to the maximum lenght.. ok, I could live with that :-)


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    The 991.2 does not have the interruption in the center:

    2018-Porsche-911-Future.jpg


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Joost:
    Ferdie:
    Joost:
    Porker:

    That, and why does the rear light "sabre" need to be interrupted in the middle? Same goes on current Panamera's, is it technically too difficult to have a longer unit?

    You're right, looks really weird. No clue why they did that... 

    These light „sabres“ are illuminated by LEDs located at one or both ends, to achieve a homogenous illumination you need this separation as otherwise you would have a light peak at entry point or not enough light for the entire width.

    Ah, ok, I thought they were illuminated along the entire side of it.
    So, in order to get a higher quality (homogenous lihting vs the cheaper dotted look), the trade-off is to have the cut, due to the maximum lenght.. ok, I could live with that :-)

    The main reason is cost... it is cheaper to have a few LEDs at the end of the strip than an entire circuitboard with LEDs plus optical lens. Due to different packaging it might also be easier to incorporate.


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    bluelines:

    The 991.2 does not have the interruption in the center:

    2018-Porsche-911-Future.jpg

    Yeah, that’s interesting. I assume they changed that due to cost/packaging/source of supplier. Let’s see if I find some details.


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    3 segments in the 991 indicate it's the 3rd generation of the Turbo with the ugly wing. 4 segments in the 992 for 4th gen.

    The only pretty wing on the Turbo is the whale tail of 930, 964 and 993. 


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Whoopsy:

    3 segments in the 991 indicate it's the 3rd generation of the Turbo with the ugly wing. 4 segments in the 992 for 4th gen.

    The only pretty wing on the Turbo is the whale tail of 930, 964 and 993

    +1

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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Maybe not "pretty", but I still love the original 911 wing best blush  And although the first wing, it is unusual in that it reduced lift as well as reduced aerodynamic drag Smiley  Going ~250kph with only 210hp was unusual at the time...

    91B6B92D-211E-404D-B5CD-21F583457136.jpeg

     


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    RC:

    Latest rumor: 992 Turbo S gets 670 hp, apparently this was spotted in a preliminary specs document.

    Unfortunately this high output figure also seems to indicate that there won't be 960, it wouldn't make sense anymore.

    Sorry, this is all I got...

    670hp would be quite good Smiley


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Do you think 670hp includes some form of electrical assistance?


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Grant:

    Do you think 670hp includes some form of electrical assistance?

    Panamera Turbo S hybrid. smiley


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Grant:

    Do you think 670hp includes some form of electrical assistance?

    From what I heard no - pure turbo engine Smiley


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    MKSGR:
    Grant:

    Do you think 670hp includes some form of electrical assistance?

    From what I heard no - pure turbo engine Smiley

    OK, so GT2 RS less 30hp.  I really hope that if the new 992 GT3 goes turbocharged that they apply turbocharging to the race-spec motors, rather than keep using the wet sump motors...


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Grant:

    Do you think 670hp includes some form of electrical assistance?

    I'd say yes...


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Grant:
    MKSGR:
    Grant:

    Do you think 670hp includes some form of electrical assistance?

    From what I heard no - pure turbo engine Smiley

    OK, so GT2 RS less 30hp.  I really hope that if the new 992 GT3 goes turbocharged that they apply turbocharging to the race-spec motors, rather than keep using the wet sump motors...

     

    Take the water jet system out and that should be the 30HP difference.

     


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    RC:
    Whoopsy:
    RC:

    Turbo could come earlier than in previous new generation model introductions. Not at the same time with the first models, the Carrera and Carrera S though.

     

    They did that already with the 991.  Turbo/Turbo S models for sale along side base models from launch.

    Facelift maybe?

    I got basically the first 991.1 Turbo S in Germany (on launch day, a Saturday), delivered through a private transport from the factory (they couldn't get it in time with the normal truck) but this was sometimes in autumn 2013 (I think), while the 991 Carrera models were presented in 2012

     

     

    Love the LX and the 993Smiley


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Whoopsy:
    Grant:
    MKSGR:
    Grant:

    Do you think 670hp includes some form of electrical assistance?

    From what I heard no - pure turbo engine Smiley

    OK, so GT2 RS less 30hp.  I really hope that if the new 992 GT3 goes turbocharged that they apply turbocharging to the race-spec motors, rather than keep using the wet sump motors...

     

    Take the water jet system out and that should be the 30HP difference.

     

    Smiley It is my understanding that a new (not completely new though) engine will be used, incl. a "mild hybridization" and particulate filter.


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Porsche Turbo S prices are already high vs the comps (eg McLaren 540???). Not much scope to increase pricing further IMHO . Seems like Porsche may be forgetting what happened at the end of the 80’s and that can happen again if they lose their base and only go for the quick buck (like Schremp did with Mercedes and it took them 15 years to recover) 


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    996FourEss:

    Porsche Turbo S prices are already high vs the comps (eg McLaren 540???). Not much scope to increase pricing further IMHO . Seems like Porsche may be forgetting what happened at the end of the 80’s and that can happen again if they lose their base and only go for the quick buck (like Schremp did with Mercedes and it took them 15 years to recover) 

    Since I suspect that they want to raise 992 Turbo S performance to a different level, I think they can ask more money as well too. If they do not offer a 960, Porsche could get away with it. The 991.2 Turbo S seems to be a success for Porsche and it isn't cheap. With a 960 however, this wouldn't make sense. Unless they offer the 960 as a two seater only (which would be logical anyway).


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    For the affluent buyer, and there are plenty of them, the price of a turbo S does not matter a bit.


    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Wonderbar:

    For the affluent buyer, and there are plenty of them, the price of a turbo S does not matter a bit.

    If Porsche doesn't put a 960 on the market and the 992 Turbo S remains their top performer, they can ask the same money Ferrari and McLaren is asking for their top models in the same performance class. True.

    Also, the mild hybridization could provide owners with some sort of "green conscience" justification to get this car over others on the market (not that I believe that other manufacturers won't go the same hybridization way...).


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Wonderbar:

    For the affluent buyer, and there are plenty of them, the price of a turbo S does not matter a bit.

     

    That is correct. The price they paid for a car is like a status symbol for some people.

    True story, I just heard this exchange today in person.

    There is this 20 year old mainland Chinese kid walked into my Porsche dealership, he sat down with the sales manager and said, "my mom gave me 200k to buy a car, I want a new Cayenne Turbo"

    Manager: "The new Cayenne has arrived yet, but we still have some 2018 Cayenne GTSs at around 135k"

    Kid: "That's too cheap. I would look bad"

    Manager: "What about Panamera 4S? We have a loaded one of the new generation in stock"

    Kid: "No, I want a Turbo badge"

    Manager: "What about a 911 Turbo S?, we have a few certified pre-owned ones that's right in your spending ballpark"

    Kid: "Can't. Mom said it needs to have 4 doors"

    Manager: "I am sorry, that's all we have right now if you don't want to wait."

    Kid: "Let me go home and ask my mom again."

     


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    Whoopsy:
    Wonderbar:

    For the affluent buyer, and there are plenty of them, the price of a turbo S does not matter a bit.

     

    That is correct. The price they paid for a car is like a status symbol for some people.

    True story, I just heard this exchange today in person.

    There is this 20 year old mainland Chinese kid walked into my Porsche dealership, he sat down with the sales manager and said, "my mom gave me 200k to buy a car, I want a new Cayenne Turbo"

    Manager: "The new Cayenne has arrived yet, but we still have some 2018 Cayenne GTSs at around 135k"

    Kid: "That's too cheap. I would look bad"

    Manager: "What about Panamera 4S? We have a loaded one of the new generation in stock"

    Kid: "No, I want a Turbo badge"

    Manager: "What about a 911 Turbo S?, we have a few certified pre-owned ones that's right in your spending ballpark"

    Kid: "Can't. Mom said it needs to have 4 doors"

    Manager: "I am sorry, that's all we have right now if you don't want to wait."

    Kid: "Let me go home and ask my mom again."

     

    Where do I apply for adoption?  Smiley


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    Re: 992 (Next 911 generation 2018/2019) Thread Closed

    RC:
    Whoopsy:
    Wonderbar:

    For the affluent buyer, and there are plenty of them, the price of a turbo S does not matter a bit.

     

    That is correct. The price they paid for a car is like a status symbol for some people.

    True story, I just heard this exchange today in person.

    There is this 20 year old mainland Chinese kid walked into my Porsche dealership, he sat down with the sales manager and said, "my mom gave me 200k to buy a car, I want a new Cayenne Turbo"

    Manager: "The new Cayenne has arrived yet, but we still have some 2018 Cayenne GTSs at around 135k"

    Kid: "That's too cheap. I would look bad"

    Manager: "What about Panamera 4S? We have a loaded one of the new generation in stock"

    Kid: "No, I want a Turbo badge"

    Manager: "What about a 911 Turbo S?, we have a few certified pre-owned ones that's right in your spending ballpark"

    Kid: "Can't. Mom said it needs to have 4 doors"

    Manager: "I am sorry, that's all we have right now if you don't want to wait."

    Kid: "Let me go home and ask my mom again."

     

    Where do I apply for adoption?  Smiley

     

    The nickname for these mainland Chinese kids are embryos. They are like dime a dozen here in town. The most hated social segment of the whole city. They are the ones that buy up expensive cars and drive recklessly and crash them, endangering everyone and also jacking up insurance rates. 

    They have no skills what so ever, all they ever known was to ask mom and dad for money that's it. If the tap got turned off, they will die. just like embryos getting the umbilical cord severed. 


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