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    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    180.000€ in Germany...

    Euro-spec Honda NSX more expensive than Porsche 911 Turbo


    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    Who the heck is going to buy this at this price?? 


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    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    I spec'd a nice one at $175K. It could sell I guess. Bit pricey, but everything is these days. What can you really get under $175K in the exotic world nowadays?


    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    R8, 911 Turbo, AMG GT S, McLaren 570S (184k), Jaguar F-Type R.


    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    After options and equal performance, the Turbo S, V10 Plus, and 570S are all probably more than the NSX.

    V10 Plus spec'd out with modest options is $198K
    570S will easily be over $200K with a few options
    Turbo S starts at $188K
    AMG and Jag don't count IMO because they are not exotic at all.

    NSX is really not that overpriced when you look at what else you can get with similar performance and exoticness.


    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    It's a Honda.....


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    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    EnglishManInNY:

    It's a Honda.....

    +1


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    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    Exactly!! Looks like a civic.. honestly, I can think of tons of nice cars for that money. 175K, I would get several cool cars, GT4 + Lotus Exige S and still plenty left for a nice used SL500. All those are a glorified civic, it's a no brainer. 


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    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    I'll bet $10 the NSX is faster on a track than any Porsche except a 918. Would be pretty embarrassing to show up at a track day in a GT3 or RS and get smoked by a supposedly glorified Civic. Giant wing, big tires, tons of downforce, stripped interior... and can't keep up with a 3800 Civic.

    Remember when the R8 was "just an Audi?" Now it's one of the most successful exotics and among the top performing. Ask the general public if they're rather have any Porsche below a 918 or an R8, and you'll find the vast majority wouldn't even think twice about a 911.


    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    ^ have you been on track with a V8 R8?  My regular C2S will be faster than it.  The only thing exotic about a R8 is its look (maybe).  I'll take a Porsche 911 any day over an R8.

    A lot of Corvette is faster than Porsche at half the price.  With your logic, then nobody should be buying Porsches.


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    2010 997.2 GT3RS;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe;  2016 911 GTS Club Coupe;  2015 Macan S
     


    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    noone1:

    I'll bet $10 the NSX is faster on a track than any Porsche except a 918. Would be pretty embarrassing to show up at a track day in a GT3 or RS and get smoked by a supposedly glorified Civic. Giant wing, big tires, tons of downforce, stripped interior... and can't keep up with a 3800 Civic.

    Remember when the R8 was "just an Audi?" Now it's one of the most successful exotics and among the top performing. Ask the general public if they're rather have any Porsche below a 918 or an R8, and you'll find the vast majority wouldn't even think twice about a 911.

    Are you smoking some kind of weed?

    New NSX faster then 991 GT3 RS or 991.2 Turbo S? Really?

    With same Cup2 tires?

    Never ever. I'll buy you a nice big portion of "Cevapi sa lukom i somunom"(thise who understand Croatian will LOL) in best Cevabcinica in Zagreb if NSX is faster in the track then 991 GT3 RS. Nice bottle of local Teran wine is also on me.Smiley


    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    noone1:

    I'll bet $10 the NSX is faster on a track than any Porsche except a 918. Would be pretty embarrassing to show up at a track day in a GT3 or RS and get smoked by a supposedly glorified Civic. Giant wing, big tires, tons of downforce, stripped interior... and can't keep up with a 3800 Civic.

    Remember when the R8 was "just an Audi?" Now it's one of the most successful exotics and among the top performing. Ask the general public if they're rather have any Porsche below a 918 or an R8, and you'll find the vast majority wouldn't even think twice about a 911.

    The new 991 Turbo S on cup tires is hard to beat on the track...just wait for the first reviews... Smiley


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    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    Targa Tim:

    ^ have you been on track with a V8 R8?  My regular C2S will be faster than it.  The only thing exotic about a R8 is its look (maybe).  I'll take a Porsche 911 any day over an R8.

    A lot of Corvette is faster than Porsche at half the price.  With your logic, then nobody should be buying Porsches.

    I honestly would never buy any normal 911 C2S compared to what else is available for $150K. It's a very poor value car.


    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    Why would the new Turbo S be much better than the NSX?

    It's going to be very similar power/torque and it's going to offer true torque vectoring with instantaneous torque from the electric motors. 991 Turbo S is super heavy too.


    The future of performance is hybrid, if not full-blown electric. The NSX is going to be a mini 918, and we all know the 918 is able to do a lot more than it looks like it should do on paper. GTR put the hurt on the 997 Turbo for a long time and I predict the new NSX will also, and I'm assuming the NSX R or whatever it will be called is already in development,


    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    noone1:

    I'll bet $10 the NSX is faster on a track than any Porsche except a 918. Would be pretty embarrassing to show up at a track day in a GT3 or RS and get smoked by a supposedly glorified Civic. Giant wing, big tires, tons of downforce, stripped interior... and can't keep up with a 3800 Civic.

    Remember when the R8 was "just an Audi?" Now it's one of the most successful exotics and among the top performing. Ask the general public if they're rather have any Porsche below a 918 or an R8, and you'll find the vast majority wouldn't even think twice about a 911.

    No way it is faster than a GT3 or Turbo. Smiley

    Just check Motortrend video, the car is a mess.


    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    It's not a mess, it's disconnected from the driver because it's highly computerized.


    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    noone1:

    It's not a mess, it's disconnected from the driver because it's highly computerized.

    The two parts of that sentence directly contradict each other. 


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    fritz:
    noone1:

    It's not a mess, it's disconnected from the driver because it's highly computerized.

    The two parts of that sentence directly contradict each other. 

    Never said it would be a great car to drive, but connected to the driver isn't a prerequisite for high performance. The 911 has never been more disconnected from the driver than it is today. PDK? Rear wheel steering? Torque vectoring? 


    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    EnglishManInNY:

    It's a Honda.....

    That's like saying a Ferrari is a Fiat.......


    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    964C2:
    EnglishManInNY:

    It's a Honda.....

    That's like saying a Ferrari is a Fiat.......

    No it is not Smiley


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    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    noone1:
    fritz:
    noone1:

    It's not a mess, it's disconnected from the driver because it's highly computerized.

    The two parts of that sentence directly contradict each other. 

    Never said it would be a great car to drive, but connected to the driver isn't a prerequisite for high performance. The 911 has never been more disconnected from the driver than it is today. PDK? Rear wheel steering? Torque vectoring? 

    The degree of connection between the driver and the car, regardless of the electronic aids used, is a question of the skill of the chassis tuners. It sounded like you were saying that you knew that the NSX had not been well tuned in this respect. 
    No matter how high the performance a car is capable of, drivers do not feel happy about using it to the full if the quality of the feedback from the car to their senses is poor. 


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    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    Had a look around it today and it definitely looks better in real life than in the pics.. Some nice details. I think the front is a bit busy but it's just because it has the current Honda identity. I liked it, but for that money? No. I'd want a more prestigious brand.


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    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    fritz:
    noone1:
    fritz:
    noone1:

    It's not a mess, it's disconnected from the driver because it's highly computerized.

    The two parts of that sentence directly contradict each other. 

    Never said it would be a great car to drive, but connected to the driver isn't a prerequisite for high performance. The 911 has never been more disconnected from the driver than it is today. PDK? Rear wheel steering? Torque vectoring? 

    The degree of connection between the driver and the car, regardless of the electronic aids used, is a question of the skill of the chassis tuners. It sounded like you were saying that you knew that the NSX had not been well tuned in this respect. 
    No matter how high the performance a car is capable of, drivers do not feel happy about using it to the full if the quality of the feedback from the car to their senses is poor. 

    I'm sure the good drivers and professionals will be fine. It's not like there will be no feedback at all. You're still physically driving a car and feeling the direction of forces.


    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    noone1:

     You're still physically driving a car and feeling the direction of forces.

    you mean there is no self drive option? Smiley


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    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    If Porsche would have brought such a new and technology packed car people would queue up to buy it. They would pay overprice and bang their heads in order to buy one. 

    The technology is superb and actually leaves the competition behind. 

    If it wouldn't be a Honda it might pleasure a lot of people.


    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    I have taken a deeper look at this car. The technology is really superb. A poor mans 918. 

    The car is miles away from their competitor and could be the first super car you can use as a daily driver. The price of 180.000 € for such technology isn´t to much. 


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    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    ALDO:

    I have taken a deeper look at this car. The technology is really superb. A poor mans 918. 

    The car is miles away from their competitor and could be the first super car you can use as a daily driver. The price of 180.000 € for such technology isn´t to much. 

    Autocar have this pictorial summary of the NSX assembly process - always interesting how low production cars are handled these days.  The many QA-QC steps bode well for quality in the owners hands at least. 

    http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/how-build-honda-nsx-picture-special


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    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    Until someone here actually drives one, it might make sense to be open minded. Compared to a R8 it may seem worthy, for bored serial turbo owners it could be a good break, it's not a GT3 kind of car, so it's no draw for those buyers. I can't see 488 owners trading down for one except if they want something quieter and less frenetic.


    Re: 2017 Acura NSX

    The NSX is more for 911 turbo AND R8 drivers. A GT or 488 driver wouldn't easy switch to NSX.

    It is more a daily driver then a weekend queen. I'm fascinated with the technology. How the electrical power works with the combustion engine. I would like to give this car a chance. 

    I'm thinking of a new sports car and somehow the 911 turbo would be logical but I don't like this car. For me the new 570 GT or the NSX is more attractive. Both offers lot of new technology. 


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