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    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    nberry:

    Carrara T is a poor mans GT3 or R.

    I wonder where that puts the GT3 in comparison to the RS SmileySmiley


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    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    Porsche is diluting its specials names with not so special cars. The T could have been something really nice. It is not quite getting there with low hp and high weight for the price.


    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    acky:

    Back to topic:
    A vague rumour that the T will be build only for 4 months because afterwards the TS will come.
    Not sure about this, a lot T owners would be upset, when after a so short period of time a more strong version will be available.

    I see the T more as a Cayman alternative for the people who can not live with 4 cylinders.


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    I've heard something about "Carrera C" instead of "TS" Smiley


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    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    bluelines:
    ISUK:

    Following criticism here and on other forums about the lack of a power boost in the T over the standard Carrera a T S fits in perfectly. If you look at the pure business case the T model lets Porsche's marketing team and production planners get a real gauge on the level of overall demand by looking at the number of depositors on  this model versus their planned production capacity for it.

    A follow up T S model would slot into the end of the 991.2 production run and may well be given more standard spec to attract any buyers who fail to get a production slot for the T model. It is simply a re-run of the successful split production run of the GT3 being copied by the regular car business and would keep the line busy right up until the 992 switch over.

    Put back the PCM, paint the car black and call it... Black Edition indecision

     

    Or Carrera TT T Black 

    The engine of course is a twin turbo TT Smiley


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    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    SciFrog:

    Porsche is diluting its specials names with not so special cars. The T could have been something really nice. It is not quite getting there with low hp and high weight for the price.

    That is the traditional positioning of the 911T.  The only thing they forgot was that the T is traditionally the cheapest 911.


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    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    Isn't the T cheaper than the base Carrera if both have the same options ? I know it's a bit deceptive, but still.


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    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    Smileybluelines:
    nberry:

    Carrara T is a poor mans GT3 or R.

    I wonder where that puts the GT3 in comparison to the RS SmileySmiley


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    Or the 918.  There is always someone with more money. Better be clear about what you are standing under before you start a pissing contest. 

    Doubt anyone who has a computer and time on their hands to take part in this ritual mental masturbation is poor.  


    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    Gauss:

    Isn't the T cheaper than the base Carrera if both have the same options ? I know it's a bit deceptive, but still.

    If my quick calculation didn’t leave out any options, the car is a tad more expensive than a C2, assuming that all options would be available for that car.

    The GTS, on the other hand, is cheaper than a similarly equipped C2S and even gets more power. What I fail to understand is, that the price difference between a Carrera T and a GTS is roughly 10 to 12k Euros. That’s a difference of about 10%. 


    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    crayphile:
    noone1:

    So why would you complain about pccb in the cold wet if it's a known inherent nature that they need to get up to temps? That has nothing to do with the brakes being poor. They work exactly as expected and advertised.

    Because we are all human and sometimes forget. I know I have, and at it can be a scary split second.

    I wonder why you guys keep answering him. Smiley


    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    reginos:

    I would imagine it  is due to the "parts bin economies of scale" strategy that also afflicts fast BMWs sometimes.

    No really bespoke brakes for the performance models of mainstream brands. enlightened

    I believe that the RS models have specific brakes but the setup, compound and I assume even the brake cooling are not up to standard for such a performance car. What I don’t understand is that this has happened repeatedly, with the TT-RS‘ brakes failing to such an extend. The issue is repuducible and should not occur on any vehicle, let alone a car of that calibre. 


    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    Nothing wrong with the Black Edition (parts bin special!) For the UK it's the bargain of the run-out range. Having had an early 991.1 C2 and the last 991.1 C2 Black Edition - the PDK was much improved as is power delivery in general (although SportPlus change ups need a bit of getting used to). The NA 3.4 I've always felt to be a better engine for the UK roads (and 70mph speed limit) - much more fun than the Turbo or S models (although I do still like the GTS).


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    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    Ferdie:
    reginos:

    I would imagine it  is due to the "parts bin economies of scale" strategy that also afflicts fast BMWs sometimes.

    No really bespoke brakes for the performance models of mainstream brands. enlightened

    I believe that the RS models have specific brakes but the setup, compound and I assume even the brake cooling are not up to standard for such a performance car. What I don’t understand is that this has happened repeatedly, with the TT-RS‘ brakes failing to such an extend. The issue is repuducible and should not occur on any vehicle, let alone a car of that calibre. 

    If so, it means that Audi have been very stingy in their design to evolve a basically lifestyle car like the TT, into a serious performance coupe,  in order to maintain their profit margins.

    I cannot think that Audi don't have the engineering ability to build adequate brakes. But often these things are decided by accountants Smiley


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    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    crayphile:
    noone1:

    So why would you complain about pccb in the cold wet if it's a known inherent nature that they need to get up to temps? That has nothing to do with the brakes being poor. They work exactly as expected and advertised.

    Because we are all human and sometimes forget. I know I have, and at it can be a scary split second.

    So that means the brakes are bad? 


    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    Smileynoone1:
    crayphile:
    noone1:

    So why would you complain about pccb in the cold wet if it's a known inherent nature that they need to get up to temps? That has nothing to do with the brakes being poor. They work exactly as expected and advertised.

    Because we are all human and sometimes forget. I know I have, and at it can be a scary split second.

    So that means the brakes are bad? 

    Why go on and on?  


    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    Leawood911:
    Smileynoone1:
    crayphile:
    noone1:

    So why would you complain about pccb in the cold wet if it's a known inherent nature that they need to get up to temps? That has nothing to do with the brakes being poor. They work exactly as expected and advertised.

    Because we are all human and sometimes forget. I know I have, and at it can be a scary split second.

    So that means the brakes are bad? 

    Why go on and on?  

    Why post anything at all? Nothing said in this thread matters. No one's opinion matters or changes anything, yet people give them and continue discussing.


    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    noone1:

    Why post anything at all? Nothing said in this thread matters. No one's opinion matters or changes anything, yet people give them and continue discussing.

    Actually, my opinion on you has changed a bit.

    I learned that you like to argue way more than I expect, and you have way more free time than any of us.

    How about applying for law school?Smiley


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    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    Can't argue with that!


    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    I like the idea and effort from Porsche to create the 911T...but for this price they could have done something more 'special'

    I would be the perfect customer for this but when I configure it here, I compare with something like : 997.2 GT3 and then I don't think there is much debate. Residual and future value...meh.


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    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    Hmmm, what could be more "special" then ? It is a base carrera and notwithstanding the PASM Sport and the other potential "goodies", it remains to be a base carrera and will not be any faster than an "S". However, having had a base 997 for nearly 10 years, I think that the "T" may be special for folks who had already opted to get the base carrera anyway. At least, the "T package" is different and IMO more appealing than all these "black editions" in the past.


    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    crayphile:
    noone1:

    So why would you complain about pccb in the cold wet if it's a known inherent nature that they need to get up to temps? That has nothing to do with the brakes being poor. They work exactly as expected and advertised.

    Because we are all human and sometimes forget. I know I have, and at it can be a scary split second.

    Smiley Well said. I consider myself a pro amateur driver but from time to time, I have my surprises as well and wet/cold ceramic brakes can be nasty...or if you just exited a car wash. Smiley


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    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    Hmmm, what could be more "special" then ? It is a base carrera and notwithstanding the PASM Sport and the other potential "goodies", it remains to be a base carrera and will not be any faster than an "S". However, having had a base 997 for nearly 10 years, I think that the "T" may be special for folks who had already opted to get the base carrera anyway. At least, the "T package" is different and IMO more appealing than all these "black editions" in the past.

     

    Well it should be more special than a carrera 'special' edition Smiley but if it is the intent, indeed, I think it is a good special edition.


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    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    RC:
    crayphile:
    noone1:

    So why would you complain about pccb in the cold wet if it's a known inherent nature that they need to get up to temps? That has nothing to do with the brakes being poor. They work exactly as expected and advertised.

    Because we are all human and sometimes forget. I know I have, and at it can be a scary split second.

    Smiley Well said. I consider myself a pro amateur driver but from time to time, I have my surprises as well and wet/cold ceramic brakes can be nasty...or if you just exited a car wash. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet (2015), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

     

    PCCB is worst after a car wash. It is so bad you only make that mistake once.  It feels like 10% brakes and one can get in real trouble if you don't expect it. 

    Other than that they are incredible brakes. On the street you will never wear out the pads. Mine had 180k miles and half the pads remained. Rotors were like new. I drove the car hard. Especially the brakes. Ultimate stopping power for the street. No brake dust. 


    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    So the T is only more special than the Carrera which is a really fine sports car. Should've at least copied some of the R features that make the drive more involved,  fun, and raw


    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    I’m curious, anyone from RT buy one? Or will I be treated like a Cayman/Boxster owner if I bought one? smiley


    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    WAY:

    I’m curious, anyone from RT buy one? Or will I be treated like a Cayman/Boxster owner if I bought one? smiley

    Smiley


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    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    I haven't seen much activity/interest here - US on the T.


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    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    I would be interested if I could spec regular PASM. Sport PASM a bit unpleasant as a DD, given local road conditions, especially in winter. So I'll stick to my Cayman GTS for now and remain ostracized...

     


    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    Of course, yes, at least here (RT), buy one and you will be treated like a miserable cayman / boxster owner - you know, the one with "the little sports car"... Smiley

    Regards from a miserable cayman GTS owner


    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    I have both a Cayman GTS and a Boxster RS60. Does that make me double ostracized or does quantity make up for lack of 911-type quality?

     


    Re: Official: New Porsche Carrera T

    Oh, well, besides the GTS we have a Design Edition Boxster too, so I would say we are very very much on the dark side of the force....Smiley Smiley


     
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