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    Re: Cayenne MY 2012 updates

    The headlights do look different but in this particular picture the sky´s reflection negates any discernable difference. The headlight bezel is darkened, the light components as well as the polycarbonate housing remain the same.


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    I like the new, darkened front lights of the Cayenne and the Panamera.

    In case of the Cayenne, the problem is still the rear lights, which are simply too big, no matter if darkened or not. 


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    I agree about the lights being too big.  I have tried to like them (get used to them) but they still bother me...


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     Haven't seen any pictures (other than the one in the configurator) of the optional Exlusive double exhaust tips. Any body that can help me with this? 


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    2012 Cayenne S White/Espresso delivery Sept. 2011


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    Mine will be here in 7/10 days...and have the twin exclusive tips

     

    i will make pics...


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    997TT RS Tuning stage II,2011 Cayenne Turbo


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    Super Darius:

     

    i will make pics...

     You better! Smiley

    Smiley


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    2012 Cayenne S White/Espresso delivery Sept. 2011


    Re: Cayenne MY 2012 updates

    Cayenne Turbo S should be available next year but whoever is interested in one, could also opt for the currently available Powerkit with 540 hp. The Turbo S is rumored to have 550 hp, not much more and standard options aren't that great either (look at Panamera Turbo S). You may save a buck or two but in the end, performance should be the same.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


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     @RC aren't you interested? 


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    2012 Cayenne S White/Espresso delivery Sept. 2011


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    993Targa:

     @RC aren't you interested? 

     

    Maybe, don't know yet. I have to make a decision end of 2012. Still some time to go... Smiley

    It is however very likely that our next family car could be the Cayenne Turbo S.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


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    RC:

    Cayenne Turbo S should be available next year but whoever is interested in one, could also opt for the currently available Powerkit with 540 hp. The Turbo S is rumored to have 550 hp, not much more and standard options aren't that great either (look at Panamera Turbo S). You may save a buck or two but in the end, performance should be the same.


    IMHO it would be better to wait for the TTS as it might have a better price on resale compared to the TT with power kit. And if there wasn't the bad public image it could be my next SUV!!
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    Kind regards, Conny 

    Porsche 997.2 Turbo S  *  BMW X5 M
     

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    This weekend, I went to our favorite Italian restaurant and there was a black Cayenne Turbo in the parking lot. I almost didn't recognize the car because at first, I saw it only from behind and all the badges were gone. When I looked at the front, there was no Porsche crest either but a Porsche crest shaped black cover. This car looked nothing like a Porsche, it was amazing. It looked more like a japanese SUV crossover.

    Which made me thinking...I would probably do the same. Most people wouldn't notice.

    As to resale prices: I don't care...anymore. Have you seen how the resale prices of the previous Cayenne generation tanked ? It can happen again. So if I get a Cayenne Turbo S, I will lease it, never buy it. Buying such cars bears a huge risk, a risk I don't want to take anymore. 

    For my 997 Turbo, I got even more than 3000 EUR back from my lease company. The car is maybe 75000 EUR worth on the free market. Ridiculous. They asked almost 100000 EUR if I wanted to buy it.

    On such expensive cars, leasing all the way. The risk of a tanking resale value is just too high.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


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    I will lease a Cayenne Diesel this fall. Fully agree with your lease vs buy point, RC. It doesn't make sense. And for Spain, a Turbo is useless, speed is so prosecuted!

    This is why I'm more keen of driving the old classics. Got rid of my GT3 RS fed up of being stopped by the police, even followed by their helicopter once... Insane!


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    RC:

    ... When I looked at the front, there was no Porsche crest either but a Porsche crest shaped black cover. This car looked nothing like a Porsche, it was amazing. It looked more like a japanese SUV crossover.

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     So what makes the cayenne a porsche in terms of design? Just the badges?


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    RC:

    As to resale prices: I don't care...anymore. Have you seen how the resale prices of the previous Cayenne generation tanked ? It can happen again. So if I get a Cayenne Turbo S, I will lease it, never buy it. Buying such cars bears a huge risk, a risk I don't want to take anymore. 


    Leasing is the way to go no doubt about it. But in the past I was used to get some money back from the leasing company after they sold the car on the free market. So I think it would be better to wait for the TTS beyond the fact that the TTS will be available when my X5M leasing runs out.


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    Kind regards, Conny 

    Porsche 997.2 Turbo S  *  BMW X5 M
     

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    Enmanuel:

     So what makes the cayenne a porsche in terms of design? Just the badges?

     

    In my opinion, Porsche never really was about design but about functional technology where the design followed the technical needs.

    Of course I would not buy an ugly car but I never was a show-off, so removing the badges is just fine to me. Those who love cars, know what car this is and those who love to brag about cars in envy, usually don't have a clue. They see the Porsche badge and associate the brand name with cost. Smiley

    I care much more about the technical part but I have to admit that Porsche kind of disappoints a little bit with the new Cayenne Turbo. The throttle response is still not as good as on the X5 M and this really takes a lot away from the fun. I wonder why Porsche doesn't leave it to customers to decide how they like the throttle response, especially from standstill. Or is it really a technical design problem Porsche can't get ahold of ? I doubt it, since the Panamera Turbo has an excellent acceleration/throttle response from standstill.

    Maybe Porsche is afraid of giving a 2.3 ton car too much inertia with a too sensible throttle response from standstill but I would leave it to the driver to decide if he/she likes it or not.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


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    If we were talking about the 911 then the function over form argument would be stronger but on an suv and even on the panamera looks are important. Porsche has carried over design cues given by the performance focus of the 911 into these bigger cars, not all of them are sucessful but imo the new cayene does a pretty good job of looking like a porsche. But if as you say the cayenne still isn't as good as the X5M then porsche need evaluate where the function over form argument is taking them, If it doesn't look as good as it could and it doesn't perform as good as it could, then something is not right.

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    I think that Porsche doesn't take the Cayenne too seriously...from a sports car lover point of view. I know this sounds strange but even sports car lovers can actually enjoy driving a high powered SUV but to do so, it has to be as sporty as possible. Unfortunately I don't get the feeling that Porsche did everything possible to make the Cayenne Turbo as sporty as possible, especially compared to the BMW X5 M.

    I hope they will change a couple of things with the Turbo S but I'm not sure. Apparently Porsche thinks that a SUV doesn't need to be like a sports car but I beg to differ. 


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4


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    I think it may have something to do with the focus of each company. Porsche is a company that makes sports cars that decided to make a family car based on the sport heritage of the 911, while still maintaining the 911 line to be all that a sports car should be. BMW otoh are a company that makes family car as sporty as they can be from the get go, they don't have a solid sports car line to fall back on. So maybe porsche mentality is that they will always have a backup while BMW doesn't so they try to make across the boad.

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    My CTT got it's first annual maintenace this week and a software update was part of the maintenance, gear shifts are now much smoother, I've also noticed the car now shifts at around 2,4xx~ rpm instead of 1,xxx rpm in automatic (boring) mode and doesn't feel boring, the steering wheel seems to steer to the right sometimes which also got updated ?

    I'm driving this car a lot more than my 911, what's going on ? turning into a grumpy old man already  ?


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