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    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    I'm just not so sure that there will be many differentiating elements. Remember that Porsche said it would be evolutionary and not revolutionary. In Porsche speak that means: "Our designers are having an extended tea break and refuse to design any other elements besides the rear-lights and if we ask them really nicely , they will concede to drilling a few holes in the rear. In order to differentiate this car from a ordinary face lift , they have also conceded to making this car flatter and wider".


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    Wild-Sped this is fantastic work  Smiley   LED bars are my favorite .   I think that front lip should go a bit more down  (closer to the ground) and line on left corner (from LED to lip)  to be strait .


    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    Wild speed,stunning works!!!!

    love it!


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    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    Wild-Speed:

    Thanks guys, Switched off the headlights 

    Porsche 911_991_WS_Lo.jpg

    Rossi,
    sure we'll see changes all over the car! But I meant most revolutionary changes will most likely be found on the rear end. 

    FFaust,
    I agree the rendering still looks too much like the 997, Maybe I took the wrong angle for the picture?

    Anyone have suggestions for more differentiating "elements" ??

     

    Excellent job Smiley


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    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    Awsome PShop


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    Rossi:
    Atzporsche:

    I wish it would be though.... it needs to shed 300kg ASAP! back to 993 size and engines ranging from 3.4L to 4.0L flat 6. no playing with other things, leave that for the cayman, panamera coupe.


    300 kg? How on earth should that be possible? Smiley
     

              Sell to lighter drivers....
     


    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    That's awesome Wild Speed! Smiley SmileySmiley

    Let's hope the official Porsche designers working on the new 991 are as talented as you are!!! Smiley

    Here's another spy video of the 991 mule during winter testing...

    Porsche-991-testing_Autocar-video

    Smiley SmileySmiley


    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    That's a great PS wild-speed! Well done, i quite like it already. Hopefully we won't see point hyundai elemetns.. FROM FOLLOWS FUNCTION


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    1986 BMW 325e 5spd 2.7L 121 hp (172 lb·ft) Le Mans Blau on Tan leather.
    1986 BMW 325is 5spd 2.5L 168 hp (164 lb-ft) White on Tan leather (parted out) 
    2005 Ford Focus S, 5spd 2.0L 136 hp (120lb-ft) CD silver on grey (sold)
    1986 Porsche 944, 5spd 2.5L 150 hp (168lb-ft) champagne gold on grown leather. (sold)


    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    Rossi:
    reginos:
    Rossi:
    Joost:

    Uhm... maybe just like they did id back in the nineties :P
    It would be really interesting to find out how the weight is distributed over various features: chassis, interior, luxury options, etc.
    I think that a lot of weight is introduced by all those luxury items we as so used to nowadays: heated seats, bluetooth, iPod integration. But also by all the added safety enforced by EU and USA; airbags, bigger mirrors, etc.


    luxury + safety = lots of weight Smiley
     

    People often consider the safety aspect and the corresponding additional weight as something unnecessary and contrary to automotive purity. But if you see how even smaller cars stand up to severe accidents then you can see that it's all worth it.

    Where do you prefer to have your high speed accident? In the "heavy" 997 Carrera or in the lightweight  1100kg "pure"  '80s Carrera?


    Well said. Smiley
     

     

    car - luxury + safety + high-tech = still way less weight.

    Im not against safety, and i would rather be in a 997 when crashing. However, when having fun i'd rather by in a 80s 911.

    I consider all the luxory options to be a unnecessary waste. Navs? A/C? power steering? power windows? sunroof? Make it ALL optional. But leave a base version completely bare. There's enough guys out there for such a car. I have been wanting a sort of stripped base carrera s (maybe GT4) without any options. No leather seats, little trim, just a wheel, 6speed and sports exhaust.


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 
    _____________________________________________________________________
    1984 BMW 323i 5spd 2.3L 141 hp (105 kW) More door. Black on black (parting out) 
    1986 BMW 325e 5spd 2.7L 121 hp (172 lb·ft) Le Mans Blau on Tan leather.
    1986 BMW 325is 5spd 2.5L 168 hp (164 lb-ft) White on Tan leather (parted out) 
    2005 Ford Focus S, 5spd 2.0L 136 hp (120lb-ft) CD silver on grey (sold)
    1986 Porsche 944, 5spd 2.5L 150 hp (168lb-ft) champagne gold on grown leather. (sold)


    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    Atzporsche:
    Rossi:
    reginos:
    Rossi:
    Joost:

    Uhm... maybe just like they did id back in the nineties :P
    It would be really interesting to find out how the weight is distributed over various features: chassis, interior, luxury options, etc.
    I think that a lot of weight is introduced by all those luxury items we as so used to nowadays: heated seats, bluetooth, iPod integration. But also by all the added safety enforced by EU and USA; airbags, bigger mirrors, etc.


    luxury + safety = lots of weight Smiley
     

    People often consider the safety aspect and the corresponding additional weight as something unnecessary and contrary to automotive purity. But if you see how even smaller cars stand up to severe accidents then you can see that it's all worth it.

    Where do you prefer to have your high speed accident? In the "heavy" 997 Carrera or in the lightweight  1100kg "pure"  '80s Carrera?


    Well said. Smiley
     

     

    car - luxury + safety + high-tech = still way less weight.

    Im not against safety, and i would rather be in a 997 when crashing. However, when having fun i'd rather by in a 80s 911.

    I consider all the luxory options to be a unnecessary waste. Navs? A/C? power steering? power windows? sunroof? Make it ALL optional. But leave a base version completely bare. There's enough guys out there for such a car. I have been wanting a sort of stripped base carrera s (maybe GT4) without any options. No leather seats, little trim, just a wheel, 6speed and sports exhaust.

    The only solution in your case is to get the car and strip it off yourself, because these things are demanded by consumers nowadays. If I 'm not mistaken even on models like GT3 that a/c, PCM, xenon etc can be deleted, the vast majority of buyers keep them on the cars and even demand more. Even minimalist Lotus has come up with most goodies in order to achieve their limited sales.


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    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    It's truly sad, i think the biggest thing is the daily driver phenomenon... But i can't blame people, it makes sense to be able to combine a sports/fun car with your DD.

    You're right though, could buy a 964 and strip it. Still hope the 991 will be more "sporty" 


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 
    _____________________________________________________________________
    1984 BMW 323i 5spd 2.3L 141 hp (105 kW) More door. Black on black (parting out) 
    1986 BMW 325e 5spd 2.7L 121 hp (172 lb·ft) Le Mans Blau on Tan leather.
    1986 BMW 325is 5spd 2.5L 168 hp (164 lb-ft) White on Tan leather (parted out) 
    2005 Ford Focus S, 5spd 2.0L 136 hp (120lb-ft) CD silver on grey (sold)
    1986 Porsche 944, 5spd 2.5L 150 hp (168lb-ft) champagne gold on grown leather. (sold)


    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    fab pshop Wild speed!


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    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

     Headlights aside... the worst change is a 100mm longer wheelbase.


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    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    Great Pshop Wild-speed! looks great!


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    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/247059/


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    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    Atzporsche:
    However, when having fun i'd rather by in a 80s 911.


    What makes you favor the 80's?  The 69-73 911S had much less weight and more power in many cases (higher redline and better gearing in all cases).


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    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    So Autocar is now saying that...

    "Sales will start in the Summer of 2012."  

    Wow.  So it'll be a 2013 model?!!!!  and it's still more than two years off?  So much for the predictions that it'll go on sale in a year or so....

    That would also make the 997 one of the longest running 911 models in recent history, correct?  

     


    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    mateoche:

    So Autocar is now saying that...

    "Sales will start in the Summer of 2012."   


    autocar is also talking about a 998... Smiley


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    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    Wild-speed,

    Can you give us some yellow, red and white please.


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    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    Latest Video.


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    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    Thanks Ron! SmileySmiley Smiley

    That's a great video - in reasonably high definition - of the 2011 Porsche 911 in winter testing...

    Smiley SmileySmiley


    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    Grant:
    Atzporsche:
    However, when having fun i'd rather by in a 80s 911.


    What makes you favor the 80's?  The 69-73 911S had much less weight and more power in many cases (higher redline and better gearing in all cases).

     

    well i should've been more careful when picking a number, but i meant the past with my 80s reference. Actually a late 70s 911s is so much fun as long as it's not the 2.7L, i hear they had some problems... All time fav of course being the '72 Carrera RS.

     


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 
    _____________________________________________________________________
    1984 BMW 323i 5spd 2.3L 141 hp (105 kW) More door. Black on black (parting out) 
    1986 BMW 325e 5spd 2.7L 121 hp (172 lb·ft) Le Mans Blau on Tan leather.
    1986 BMW 325is 5spd 2.5L 168 hp (164 lb-ft) White on Tan leather (parted out) 
    2005 Ford Focus S, 5spd 2.0L 136 hp (120lb-ft) CD silver on grey (sold)
    1986 Porsche 944, 5spd 2.5L 150 hp (168lb-ft) champagne gold on grown leather. (sold)


    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    If I didn't know any better - which I don't ;) - I would say that these videos are Porsche's effort at viral marketing. There just seems to be too much "cooperation" and not enough information (as in location) for these to be actual "spy" videos. I would also say this of most previously seen footage

    Interesting nonetheless


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    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    Spyderidol:

    I'm just not so sure that there will be many differentiating elements. Remember that Porsche said it would be evolutionary and not revolutionary. In Porsche speak that means: "Our designers are having an extended tea break and refuse to design any other elements besides the rear-lights and if we ask them really nicely , they will concede to drilling a few holes in the rear. In order to differentiate this car from a ordinary face lift , they have also conceded to making this car flatter and wider".

    Agreed Smiley

    So I guess that this could be a "face-lift" on the outside but a new model (991) on the inside Smiley


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    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    Ron (Houston):

    Wild-speed,

    Can you give us some yellow, red and white please.

     

    Smiley

    Porsche 911_991_WS_Rpccb.jpgPorsche 911_991_WS_Wr.jpg


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    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    FFaust:
    Spyderidol:

    I'm just not so sure that there will be many differentiating elements. Remember that Porsche said it would be evolutionary and not revolutionary. In Porsche speak that means: "Our designers are having an extended tea break and refuse to design any other elements besides the rear-lights and if we ask them really nicely , they will concede to drilling a few holes in the rear. In order to differentiate this car from a ordinary face lift , they have also conceded to making this car flatter and wider".

    Agreed Smiley

    So I guess that this could be a "face-lift" on the outside but a new model (991) on the inside Smiley

     

    I wouldn't say facelift, all the panels look new to me.  
    Looking at the pictures from the crash, the hoodlines are probably different...like this...

    Porsche 911_991_WS_Rhpccb.jpg


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    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    You are good my friend Smiley


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    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    THANK YOU VERY MUCH          WILD-SPEED

    You are the best!!!  amazing PS!!!


    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    great p-shop work wildspeed.

    thanks


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    Re: 2011 Porsche 991 spy pics... Thread Closed

    Wild-Speed:
    Ron (Houston):

    Wild-speed,

    Can you give us some yellow, red and white please.

     

    Smiley

    Porsche 911_991_WS_Rpccb.jpgPorsche 911_991_WS_Wr.jpg


    Very nice renderings !! Thanks Smiley


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