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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    I understand the final factory fit to be matt stickers in your colour of choice - green or red. 


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    crayphile:

    I was surprised / disappointed to find that the stripes are just stick ons and not painted on when I had a look around the car. Do we know if the final production car will also only have stickers?

     

    Yes, the production cars will have the stickers instead of paint. A bit cheap on Porsche's part tbh.

     


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    Whoopsy:
    crayphile:

    I was surprised / disappointed to find that the stripes are just stick ons and not painted on when I had a look around the car. Do we know if the final production car will also only have stickers?

     

    Yes, the production cars will have the stickers instead of paint. A bit cheap on Porsche's part tbh.

     

    When I picked up my GT4 in Stuttgart, I applied a temporary clear bra myself (didn't want to waste my vacation at the clear bra shop).  This worked great (aside from looking lousy), but I am sure that it would rip these stickers right off the R if I did the same.  I wonder if you can have these stickers delivered with the car (but not applied to the car)?


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    Official invites to PCNA customers went out by email 2 days ago, official letter were sent out March 1st. Same with Canadian market, for Canada at least, I have until March 24th to decide.


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    Grant:
    Whoopsy:
    crayphile:

    I was surprised / disappointed to find that the stripes are just stick ons and not painted on when I had a look around the car. Do we know if the final production car will also only have stickers?

     

    Yes, the production cars will have the stickers instead of paint. A bit cheap on Porsche's part tbh.

     

    When I picked up my GT4 in Stuttgart, I applied a temporary clear bra myself (didn't want to waste my vacation at the clear bra shop).  This worked great (aside from looking lousy), but I am sure that it would rip these stickers right off the R if I did the same.  I wonder if you can have these stickers delivered with the car (but not applied to the car)?


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    16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

     

     

     

    Yes, that is a possibility, some 918 owners ordered their cars with the stickers but asked for those not to be applied. 


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    Thanks!


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    Whoopsy:
    Carlos from Spain:
    The 991R is perfect for twisty roads and suchSmiley but for autobahn I would take a GT3 any day Smiley

    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

    Perfect for a relaxing slow drive on a twisty road. Rev matching when slowing down for corners and the sound will be wonderful.

    But for spirited driving on a twisty mountain road, it will not beat a PDK GT3 or a GT3RS for the experience, one can concentrate on the act of driving much more and be much faster. 

    I'd grab the manual 6-speed for spirited twisty road driving of the 911R over the GT3/RS in a heart beat. True I'd be faster with the PDK and more focused on steering and what not because the shifting would require less attention, but the exprience for me is more complete and involving with the manual in that scenario. My best memories of spirited mountain drives include the manual shifting maneuvers as a mayor player. A matter of prefference I guess Smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Not that it matter very much on a car like 911R, but the PCM in the R is the old one and not the new to be found in 991.2 and Macan. Unfortunately.

    compared to how it looks in the 991.2


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    Speaking of shifting vs PDK'ing, I will be interested (once the R is in owners hands) to hear reviews of two possibly significant new pieces on the R that could find their way to future 911s; 

    1. the action of the 6-speed box, which I recall hearing Andreas P. claim was a new design.  (I was never a real fan of the 997 GT3 box; to me its severe notchiness, along with the 1000kg clutch force, hindered fast driving rather than helped)

    2. the claimed new calibration for the steering rack... again if this is just software it could easily move into other models if  it proved to be widely applauded. 


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    Not that it matter very much on a car like 911R, but the PCM in the R is the old one and not the new to be found in 991.2 and Macan. Unfortunately.

     

    FWIW:  Posted earlier:

    "The R will get the bigger screen of the updated PCM on 991.2, or the current Macan. 
    991.1 PCM will not have the same functions unfortunately."

     


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    Lukas:

    Not that it matter very much on a car like 911R, but the PCM in the R is the old one and not the new to be found in 991.2 and Macan. Unfortunately.

    compared to how it looks in the 991.2

    Im not sure that is the final version of the PCM on the 991R because all the button on the console still have chrome on them and I believe that in rhe final 991R all the chrome is removed from them for a sportier look. So could be the production version will have the new PCM inspite this picture.


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    This photo has been taken at Geneva today on the R. Buttons do not look like they all are back. I sat in the car yesterday but did not pay enough attention . There was lots of black for sure but was it all black 

     


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    Carlos from Spain:
    Thats precisely why I don't preffer it for autobahn, less drag due to less downforce will give more top speed but sacrificing high speed stability, the most important thing you want in the autobahn, autobahn driving is not about absolute top/max speed but safely driving at high speeds. Also for that type of driving I would prefer the fast, smooth and effortless PDK than the 6-speed manual. Just put the two on the high speed nurburgring and see the lap time difference.

    The 991R is perfect for twisty roads and suchSmiley but for autobahn I would take a GT3 any day Smiley

    With GT3 front splitter, under-body diffuser, and retractable rear wing together with AWS and long 991 wheelbase, this car will be more than stable enough on the autobahn, imo...


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    The Geneva car has no PCM. You can just make it out in this pic I took this morning. 


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    There still chrome then,  I could have sworn I saw a pic with it goneyes


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    I thaught so too ;-)

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    Any truth to the rumours that no single mass flywheel cars before September ? 


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    Not that it really matters but the whole area around the stick and the stick itself look cheap and tacky. Maybe that was the goal for the "lightweight" car...


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    SciFrog:

    Not that it really matters but the whole area around the stick and the stick itself look cheap and tacky. Maybe that was the goal for the "lightweight" car...

    What would look less cheap? Gated?


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    I sat in the car and tried the gearbox and clutch. The gearbox felt like the GT4, and the clutch was surprisingly light.. Nothing like the 997 GT3 clutch.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    DaveGordon:

    I sat in the car and tried the gearbox and clutch. The gearbox felt like the GT4, and the clutch was surprisingly light.. Nothing like the 997 GT3 clutch.

    Dave that is interesting - you are the first to report on that! (at least from a showroom floor....).  Obviously you remember the 997 clutch weight even if it has been a while for you too... not something you forget.  IMO if they have made shifting lighter while still very precise, with a more "normal" performance clutch action, this will greatly improve the everyday drivability of the R (and I guess future 991.2 GT3 that presumably will re-use this new gearbox).  Smiley


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    wtdoom:

    Any truth to the rumours that no single mass flywheel cars before September ? 

    Have been configuring with a friend his one and were told July for single mass fly wheel. Also red stitching option should be available (when don't know). 


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    Thank you m4ever that's good news


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    i don't know whether leasing a car is different from austria to germany but here in austria you always own the car if you lease it and the residual is predetermined in the contract. so the lease holder cannot decide to take the car back at the end of the lease and he is also not allowed to increase the residual according to market values. a lease here is like a (cheap at the moment) loan with the big advantage that VAT and NOVA are not paid to the government fully upon acquisition but they are paid monthly at certain rates. so upon resale the car is still attractive to a buyer from outside austria. it turns out that here expensive cars are almost always leased instead of paid in cash for this reason. i made the big mistake and paid  my ferrari in cash, which then made it very hard to sell. 

    peter


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Mikla:

    I cannot understand why Porsche is offering the old PCM technology in the R. How can a customer be satisfied with the old stuff if a basic Carrera brings the state of the art Porsche navigation and Car Play?

    Are the customer who already ordered one concerned or you just don't care?

    If I manage to get an allocation (which is now looking unlikely laugh) mine will come with aircon but no radio/PCM. 


    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Excellent info in the 911 R piece from Automobile magazine.

    http://www.automobilemag.com/news/an-idiot-savant-guide-to-the-new-porsche-911-r/


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    Thx for the link

    DJM


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    For the same money you could buy a Huracan. I am stunned that people are willing to pony up this kind of money for a manual 911 with decals and a designation by Porsche it is a special edition.mail


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