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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Different situation in Germany. 991 are in demand.Used car prices went upwards. And new cars are rare. Not easy to find the car you are looking for. Dealer told me that clients from Portugal and Italy are buying many of the available cars. 


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    I see tons of 991 lately. Two years ago, I saw many 997, not anymore (with the exception of Cabs). Also haven't seen any 996 for a while...even buyers looking for a "cheap" 911 are avoiding the 996.


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    How are 996 GT2 fairing in Germany, Christian?


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    Mike S:

    How are 996 GT2 fairing in Germany, Christian?

    Without having researched the used-car market for 996 GT2s I would venture the guess that this model (and the corresponding GT3 models) is not suffering from the same lack of interest as the bread-and-butter 996s, due to not having the same engine.    Smiley


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    Doesn't the 996 Turbo have the "same" engine too? But too many built for it to keep value.

    The 996 GT3 RS is highly sought after. Only 600 built and considered by some to be the most "raw" RS.


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    Mike S:

    How are 996 GT2 fairing in Germany, Christian?

    somebody I know who sold a lot of 996 GT2's said once it's not the Price for the GT2 but to find one that did NOT had a Crash....


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    bluelines:

    Doesn't the 996 Turbo have the "same" engine too? But too many built for it to keep value.

    The 996 GT3 RS is highly sought after. Only 600 built and considered by some to be the most "raw" RS.

    You answered your own question.  Smiley


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    bluelines:

    The 996 GT3 RS is highly sought after. Only 600 built and considered by some to be the most "raw" RS.

    The most raw RS is the first, 73 Carrera RS 2.7.  The 996 RS is the most raw GT3 - big difference Smiley


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    fritz:
    bluelines:

    Doesn't the 996 Turbo have the "same" engine too? But too many built for it to keep value.

    The 996 GT3 RS is highly sought after. Only 600 built and considered by some to be the most "raw" RS.

    You answered your own question.  Smiley

    Happens a lot to someone at my vast knowledge level.


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    Grant:
    bluelines:

    The 996 GT3 RS is highly sought after. Only 600 built and considered by some to be the most "raw" RS.

    The most raw RS is the first, 73 Carrera RS 2.7.  The 996 RS is the most raw GT3 - big difference Smiley

    LOL! Just as I pressed send I thought "Grant will mark the use of RS rather than GT3 RS" Smiley

    Cheers for keeping it correct! Smiley


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    bluelines:
    Grant:
    bluelines:

    The 996 GT3 RS is highly sought after. Only 600 built and considered by some to be the most "raw" RS.

    The most raw RS is the first, 73 Carrera RS 2.7.  The 996 RS is the most raw GT3 - big difference Smiley

    LOL! Just as I pressed send I thought "Grant will mark the use of RS rather than GT3 RS" Smiley

    Cheers for keeping it correct! Smiley

    Just being salty today Smiley


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    You guys are fun kiss

    BTW: Going to Nürburg and watch WEC


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    Kobalt, will be at the Ring from tomorrow afternoon on with Black Falcon. Will also try to meet Neel Jani to get his signature for my Dath Purple. Im staying at Agnesenhof whereabouts are you?

    Mike


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    The 996 RS is an amazing car, but before their demand went through the roof. I drove 3 different cars, 3 times to convince myself. The car is an absolute animal. It's the rawest GT3 for sure. I wish I had driven every other RS to compare, but I have not had the privilege yet! enlightened


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    M3ike:

    Kobalt, will be at the Ring from tomorrow afternoon on with Black Falcon. Will also try to meet Neel Jani to get his signature for my Dath Purple. Im staying at Agnesenhof whereabouts are you?

    Agnesenhof seems to be nice but it was fully booked...

    I'm on a trip with the family and are staying in Ernst (Mosel) from Saturday to Sunday so we will drive directly up to Nürburgring in the morning.

    Will you be in Black Falcons box?


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    Mike S:

    The 996 RS is an amazing car, but before their demand went through the roof. I drove 3 different cars, 3 times to convince myself. The car is an absolute animal. It's the rawest GT3 for sure. I wish I had driven every other RS to compare, but I have not had the privilege yet! enlightened

    Yeah, that is a great car.  We never had them imported here Smiley

    The first RS we ever imported legally here was the 997.1 GT3 RS and we needed it since they made 991.1 GT3 for the US market with a sunroof Smiley


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    I sold my 996 GT3 RS last year. And bought my 991 GT3 RS with the money. But I think now that that was a mistake. Yes the 991 is better looking, but the 996 is rougher.


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    fritz:
    Mike S:

    How are 996 GT2 fairing in Germany, Christian?

    Without having researched the used-car market for 996 GT2s I would venture the guess that this model (and the corresponding GT3 models) is not suffering from the same lack of interest as the bread-and-butter 996s, due to not having the same engine.    Smiley

    Smiley


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    BjoernB:
    Mike S:

    How are 996 GT2 fairing in Germany, Christian?

    somebody I know who sold a lot of 996 GT2's said once it's not the Price for the GT2 but to find one that did NOT had a Crash....

    Yes, a lot of 996 GT2 were involved in crashes. Why? Well...many 996 Turbo drivers switched and... Smiley


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     http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/porsche-911-r-prices-rise-almost-%C2%A31million

    I have heard tales of them changing hands for up to £500k but this is just insane! yes


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    Adam2S:

     http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/porsche-911-r-prices-rise-almost-%C2%A31million

    I have heard tales of them changing hands for up to £500k but this is just insane! yes

    If true, maybe I should have gotten "mine"...I start to regret it. Smiley 500k is just insane.


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    Deja vu... 


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    Ridiculous


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    bluelines:

    Deja vu... 

    I know but when I see sums like that, I kind of start thinking... Smiley Smiley

    Has someone actually sold his 911 R for that kind of money? 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: 911 R (2016)

    A bit off topic, but I do follow a (private) offer for a used 997 GT3 RS II - asking price started with EUR 249k half a year ago, EUR 219k 3 months later and now EUR189k...very weird...


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    I never trust asking prices. One example in the Ferrari world: a 2009 612 18k miles is offered at $129k when slightly lower miles ones are rumored to trade around $175k and asking at $185k... Go figure. Same for the FF. Asking are all over the place (saw a 2014 at $275k when they trade at $200k or less).


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    RC:
    bluelines:

    Deja vu... 

    I know but when I see sums like that, I kind of start thinking... Smiley Smiley

    Has someone actually sold his 911 R for that kind of money? 


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    The only real sale I know of is my dealer paying $200k premium for each of the  2 Rs allocated to his 918 owners.


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    Good grief.. Wonder what he is hoping to sell them for..

    I think someone linked an eBay auction for one starting st $1m 


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    absent:
    RC:
    bluelines:

    Deja vu... 

    I know but when I see sums like that, I kind of start thinking... Smiley Smiley

    Has someone actually sold his 911 R for that kind of money? 


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    The only real sale I know of is my dealer paying $200k premium for each of the  2 Rs allocated to his 918 owners.

    I'd take the money and run as much as I like the R...


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    I was talking to Rolls salesman last week about how had a customer who had asked him to source him a 991R.  He said the best price he had been able to buy one for was £480k. I don't believe he had any reason to make that up and given GT3RS were readily changing hands in the UK when first released for £275+ it would seem within the realm of possibility.  However £1M?  I don't know about that - its a huge leap of faith if you ask me and could just be that the owner of Magnitude Finance (who was interviewed for the article) owns one!

    For whatever reason however, the UK market seems to be a even more bonkers on these types of cars than the rest of the world.  If the brexitmongers are right then there is going to some heavily burnt fingers as and when the market corrects.


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