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    problems with the Ceramik Brakes?

    has anybody heard anything negative about the Ferrari Ceramic Brakes?
    A dealer told me they may not be as durable as Ferrari pretends!

    Re: problems with the Ceramik Brakes?

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    Beethoven said:
    has anybody heard anything negative about the Ferrari Ceramic Brakes?
    A dealer told me they may not be as durable as Ferrari pretends!


    NO! Absolutely nothing. Never heard anything like that from no owner.

    Re: problems with the Ceramik Brakes?

    The only negative that I have heard from Ceramic brakes is that Ferrari starts to have a problem with the supply of so many carbon brakes..

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    Aisxos said:
    The only negative that I have heard from Ceramic brakes is that Ferrari starts to have a problem with the supply of so many carbon brakes..



    Re: problems with the Ceramik Brakes?

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    Beethoven said:
    has anybody heard anything negative about the Ferrari Ceramic Brakes?
    A dealer told me they may not be as durable as Ferrari pretends!



    nope, and unlike porsche's version, they produce zero brake dust - ever.

    Re: problems with the Ceramik Brakes?

    when do you have to change the pads, and what do they cost ?

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    Patriek (jennyz) said:
    when do you have to change the pads, and what do they cost ?


    Depends on how hard you drive the car (race track etc.). Costs for the pads should be four times as much as for the standard pads.

    Re: problems with the Ceramik Brakes?

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    Rossi said:
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    Patriek (jennyz) said:
    when do you have to change the pads, and what do they cost ?


    Depends on how hard you drive the car (race track etc.). Costs for the pads should be four times as much as for the standard pads.



    four times as mutch

    Re: problems with the Ceramik Brakes?

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    Patriek (jennyz) said:
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    Rossi said:
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    Patriek (jennyz) said:
    when do you have to change the pads, and what do they cost ?


    Depends on how hard you drive the car (race track etc.). Costs for the pads should be four times as much as for the standard pads.



    four times as mutch


    Patriek, I'm not sure if I remember correctly, but I think it was something like that.

    Re: problems with the Ceramik Brakes?

    that would make at least 2500euro for front and rear, ... I just looked at a invoice of my 348 from 2003, and the pad set front was 290 Euro , and for the rear ones it was 342 Euro ,.....

    Re: problems with the Ceramik Brakes?

    I'm quoting a guy (named ChalStrad) from F-chat for this info:

    ''Re CS
    Oil changes: If DIY yourself you need to do quite a lot of work. The entire floorpan has to come off, you will need to go to your Ferrari dealer to get filters and washers and the oil. Do not know about in the US but in Europe CSs and Enzos run on Shell Racing oil (mucho expensive) . God forbid you put a filter on wrong or simply put too much oil in the engine (easy to do) or put the floorpan back wrong, you may have a problem with your dealer and you warranty.

    Discs are around $25/$30 K for a set of 4 but so far we know of no one who has had to change them.

    Pads areabout $1200 per axle($600 per wheel) not including labour. Wear is a function of usage. Road use : wear is pretty nominal. Track use depends on your driving but, for example, I have managed to go through a set of fronts in 225 miles of track.

    Tyres: same story as pads. Depends on use. If track a set is good for a day, basically. The wear rate is very high as the compound is fairly soft. Plus the fact that a CS brakes like no other road car around on a track helps destroy the tyre.

    So, real costs are pads and tyres plus fuel if you use the car in europe where gas is now $6.50/gallon.

    Warranty covers most everything else.

    Just remember that the running costs on a Ferrari are pretty steep, no matter the model you buy, compared to your average "normal" car

    Good luck''

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    janus said:
    I'm quoting a guy (named ChalStrad) from F-chat for this info:

    ''Re CS
    Oil changes: If DIY yourself you need to do quite a lot of work. The entire floorpan has to come off, you will need to go to your Ferrari dealer to get filters and washers and the oil. Do not know about in the US but in Europe CSs and Enzos run on Shell Racing oil (mucho expensive) . God forbid you put a filter on wrong or simply put too much oil in the engine (easy to do) or put the floorpan back wrong, you may have a problem with your dealer and you warranty.

    Discs are around $25/$30 K for a set of 4 but so far we know of no one who has had to change them.

    Pads areabout $1200 per axle($600 per wheel) not including labour. Wear is a function of usage. Road use : wear is pretty nominal. Track use depends on your driving but, for example, I have managed to go through a set of fronts in 225 miles of track.

    Tyres: same story as pads. Depends on use. If track a set is good for a day, basically. The wear rate is very high as the compound is fairly soft. Plus the fact that a CS brakes like no other road car around on a track helps destroy the tyre.

    So, real costs are pads and tyres plus fuel if you use the car in europe where gas is now $6.50/gallon.

    Warranty covers most everything else.

    Just remember that the running costs on a Ferrari are pretty steep, no matter the model you buy, compared to your average "normal" car

    Good luck''



    like I counted, and rossi said, .... 2400$ for 4, that's really expensive !!!!!!!!!!

    Re: problems with the Ceramik Brakes?

    How many mm are the disks of Ferrari Carbon Ceramic brakes?!
    I know they have 6 pistons in front and 4 in back (like porsche 997) but how big are the disks?!
    Anyone knowS?

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    Aisxos said:
    How many mm are the disks of Ferrari Carbon Ceramic brakes?!
    I know they have 6 pistons in front and 4 in back (like porsche 997) but how big are the disks?!
    Anyone knowS?



    not sure, but i believe they are the same brakes from the enzo!

    Re: problems with the Ceramik Brakes?

    my porsche dealer told me that 4 new ceramic discs on a GT3 cost around 20.000 Euro (320mm ??) i guess thats a bargain

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    80924 said:
    my porsche dealer told me that 4 new ceramic discs on a GT3 cost around 20.000 Euro (320mm ??) i guess thats a bargain



    350mm diameter.

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    80924 said:
    my porsche dealer told me that 4 new ceramic discs on a GT3 cost around 20.000 Euro (320mm ??) i guess thats a bargain



    fritz is right, 350 mm. I think it was 5000 Euro per disc last time I asked BUT: if the used discs which have to be exchanged aren't seriously damaged, I heard that they can be "refurbished" (don't ask me how it works) and you get "exchange" discs which are less expensive. I don't have a precise price figure though. I suppose it won't be different with Ferrari (at least I hope so) since the manufacturer of the ceramic brake is the same (Brembo + SGL Carbon).

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    ben, lj said:
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    Aisxos said:
    How many mm are the disks of Ferrari Carbon Ceramic brakes?!
    I know they have 6 pistons in front and 4 in back (like porsche 997) but how big are the disks?!
    Anyone knowS?



    not sure, but i believe they are the same brakes from the enzo!


    CCM at the F430 are the same as in case of the Challenge Stradale: 380 x 34 front, 350 x 34 rear. 6 pistons in front and 4 pistons rear as you said. Enzo has also 6 piston calipers front and 4 piston calipers rear, but uses 380 diameter brake discs all around. Handling GTC package for the 575 offers 398 diameter discs all around.

    Re: problems with the Ceramik Brakes?

    Thank you Rossi.
    I was sure that F430 brakes was bigger than 350mm. If you see the front brakes in the 19 inch wheel, are really big..
    I cant believe that a car with 380mm carbon disks with 6 pistons calipers will have a problem in brakes though...

    Something more. As I used to have Gt3 the price for the carbon brakes (i had asked before 2 years was about 15.000euros. The problem is that models of Gt3 2001 wasnt easy for mechanics to fit the PCCB so Porsche wanted to many money for this work.

    On the other hand now on 997s the ceramic brakes which are 350mm 6 pistons in front and 330mm 4 pistons back cost only
    7830 euros in Germany. (as en extra when you order a new car)

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    Aisxos said:
    Thank you Rossi.
    I was sure that F430 brakes was bigger than 350mm. If you see the front brakes in the 19 inch wheel, are really big..
    I cant believe that a car with 380mm carbon disks with 6 pistons calipers will have a problem in brakes though...

    Something more. As I used to have Gt3 the price for the carbon brakes (i had asked before 2 years was about 15.000euros. The problem is that models of Gt3 2001 wasnt easy for mechanics to fit the PCCB so Porsche wanted to many money for this work.

    On the other hand now on 997s the ceramic brakes which are 350mm 6 pistons in front and 330mm 4 pistons back cost only
    7830 euros in Germany. (as en extra when you order a new car)


    AFAIK the PCCB of the 997 has 350 mm discs all around. For all who want to know, at the 997 Carrera, standard steel brakes are 318x28 front and 299x24, at the Carrera S they are 330x34 and 330x28 respectively.
    Size of the front discs of the F430 are often said to be 360mm only, there even was a misprint in Ferrari's official statement during F430 presentation. But I made sure they are the same as at the CS (380mm).

    Re: problems with the Ceramik Brakes?

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    Rossi said:
    Quote:
    Aisxos said:
    Something more. As I used to have Gt3 the price for the carbon brakes (i had asked before 2 years was about 15.000euros. The problem is that models of Gt3 2001 wasnt easy for mechanics to fit the PCCB so Porsche wanted to many money for this work.

    On the other hand now on 997s the ceramic brakes which are 350mm 6 pistons in front and 330mm 4 pistons back cost only
    7830 euros in Germany. (as en extra when you order a new car)



    AFAIK the PCCB of the 997 has 350 mm discs all around.



    Correct. 350mm diameter x 34mm thick front, 350mm diameter x 28mm rear.

    Re pricing: Keep in mind that speccing carbon brakes on a new car means you only see the price DIFFERENCE between carbon and cast iron brakes.
    Retrofitting carbon brakes to an existing car means that you have to buy the whole kit of parts new, including new disks, calipers, brake pads, plus labor for installation. The latter will obviously have to cost a lot more.

    Re: problems with the Ceramik Brakes?

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    fritz said:
    Correct. 350mm diameter x 34mm thick front, 350mm diameter x 28mm rear.

    Re pricing: Keep in mind that speccing carbon brakes on a new car means you only see the price DIFFERENCE between carbon and cast iron brakes.
    Retrofitting carbon brakes to an existing car means that you have to buy the whole kit of parts new, including new disks, calipers, brake pads, plus labor for installation. The latter will obviously have to cost a lot more.


    Retrofitting the PCCB at a Porsche costs about twice as much , something like 13k EUR, which makes it as expensive as Ferrari's CCM from the beginning...

    Re: problems with the Ceramik Brakes?

    Ferrari covers your car at the track unlike Porsche. but also, there are NO confirmed reports of rotor damage, but the highest track mileage strad i know of has ONLY 5000 track miles at Spa:

    5 sets of tyres and 4 brakepads consumed but rotors are fine

    i drive fast but the CS handles so well i use much less brakes on mountian roads than i did in the gt2's.. my pads were 6% worn at 5k miles, only 2 track days

     
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