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    not that i have that sort of money but....

    on top gear just now, they said that the bugatti veyron costs VW 5m (not sure if it's USD or EUR or GBP) to make each which means they are making a huge loss for everyone they make. JC says it's just some sort of a statement making thing and because VW is still a business, they are (or whoever for that matter) unlike to ever make anything like that!!
    For an investor tho, it's something that would almost certainly hold the value if not gain quite a bit!!

    I don't have that sort of cash nor do i like it that much, but purely from an investment point of view, sure it's worth some kind of a syndicate to get some funds together and get one asap!!?


    Re: not that i have that sort of money but....

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    moto said:
    on top gear just now, they said that the bugatti veyron costs VW 5m (not sure if it's USD or EUR or GBP) to make each which means they are making a huge loss for everyone they make. JC says it's just some sort of a statement making thing and because VW is still a business, they are (or whoever for that matter) unlike to ever make anything like that!!
    For an investor tho, it's something that would almost certainly hold the value if not gain quite a bit!!

    I don't have that sort of cash nor do i like it that much, but purely from an investment point of view, sure it's worth some kind of a syndicate to get some funds together and get one asap!!?





    Shame you don't have the money because I'm sure there are a few guys right now drawing up proposals for you on a great bridge in Brooklyn.

    But don't believe them if they try to tell you that it's only had one owner.

    Re: not that i have that sort of money but....

    that type of statement needs to be verified. A 5 fold loss of earnings would cripple the company....even VW.

    I mean if they make 100 only, that amounts to a 400 million dollar loss in production, not to mention at least that much in development (the delays, hirings, firings, tire problems, wind tunnel testing etc etc).

    Near a billion dollars in loss? Dubious.

    Re: not that i have that sort of money but....

    when they say that each car cost 5 Mil, they mean that if you take to total amount of money that VW put in the development + the money it take to build 299 cars,
    and split it to all cars - you will get a price of 5MIL each.

    Re: not that i have that sort of money but....

    so at 300 cars, we're talking -4M a pop (1.2 billion loss)...

    I wonder what their accountants will say

    Re: not that i have that sort of money but....

    Well, for one I won't belive the number before I hear them from a reliable source, and it's still not as bad as it sounds as much breakthrough technology will be put on the veyron project as well. A 1000 hp DSG might come in handy for Lambo and high performance audis and so on..

    And it could still be a bad investement for the buyers anyway, pushing bounderies is expensive, catching up is not nearly as costly. So like 69Boss will probably tell you as well you would need a long perspective, and the ability to have your money tied up to the car for a long time if it's not selling good

    Re: not that i have that sort of money but....

    I believe it. That car has been in development ever since VW acquired Bugatti. It was on again and off again and then on again and then off again. Then finally they decided that they had gone too far with it to scrap it... so they finished it and tested it like a REAL car company and figured out what the problems were. Clarkson calls the car, "one of the best and possibly the greatest car anyone will ever drive in his lifetime."

    The car is damn near perfect. (just imagine if someone created a racing version of it?.. took out all of the leather seats and luxury... ummm would say put carbon fiber in certain places, but I'm sure they have already done that.. so basically just the interior).

    Re: not that i have that sort of money but....

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    Hurst said:
    so at 300 cars, we're talking -4M a pop (1.2 billion loss)...

    I wonder what their accountants will say



    Well , that is what VW Group is loosing EACH year in the US right now . Toyota, OTOH, makes that much or more per qtr in the US - ouch! Now you know why Audi no longer repays dealers for service rentalsfor their customers, even for warranty work and also cut back their free maintenance program here 6 months ago , too. How do you hope to sell a $130K A8L W12 into that kind of dealership experience ?!

     
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