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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Very curious to see that olive green IRL, think it'll be a total stunner, congrats!


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Porker:
    DJM48:

    Congrats Frank.

    It looks brilliant!

    Thanks! It appears to be a funny color, totally different inside compared to daylight. 

    Looking forward to outdoors pix in sun and grey weatherSmiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    watt:
    Porker:
    DJM48:

    Congrats Frank.

    It looks brilliant!

    Thanks! It appears to be a funny color, totally different inside compared to daylight. 

    Looking forward to outdoors pix in sun and grey weatherSmiley

    First one of those, although heavily processed.

    https://instagram.com/p/Bd74tulFJBZ/


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Have Luke make a vlog about it. 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Gauss:

    Have Luke make a vlog about it. 

    I would but it’s not run-in yet, and mostly not in CH. Agree he makes nice vids!


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    1992 Mercedes-Benz W124 500E  / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS (sold) / 2011 Mercedes-Benz C63 AMG Performance / 2014 BMW-Alpina D3 biturbo Touring / 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 Clubsport


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Porker:

    I'm not too surprised a carbon tubbed supercar handles better, it damn well should!

    McLaren has retained hydraulic steering and I think this makes a huge difference in feel.

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Must admit the amazing steering feel was the one thing that leapt out at me when I tried the 570S - even having just got out of a GT3.


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    2015 911 GT3, 1964 Type 1


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Porker:
    watt:
    Porker:
    DJM48:

    Congrats Frank.

    It looks brilliant!

    Thanks! It appears to be a funny color, totally different inside compared to daylight. 

    Looking forward to outdoors pix in sun and grey weatherSmiley

    First one of those, although heavily processed.

    https://instagram.com/p/Bd74tulFJBZ/

    Looks TITZ!!!!SmileySmiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    MKSGR:

    Interesting comparison test in most recent SportAuto. They basically compared the handling qualities of cars like the GT3, AMG GTR, McLaren 720s, Corvette and Performante.

    The 720s was on regular PZeros, all other cars on Cup or even Trofeo or Cup ZP2...

    They praised the 720s and the Performante but criticize the GT3 for lack of precision. Interesting that they are disappointed by the handling qualities of a GT Porsche.

    Hey, you forgot the R8... Smiley Smiley

    More interesting is the end result (track time) for all cars in comparison. Truth to be told, barely a difference (L'Anneau du Rhin if I'm not mistaken, fastest car was only around 2 seconds faster than the slowest one?). OK, the track isn't that long but still...

    They loved the Performante...true.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)

     


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    L'Anneau du Rhin, eh?  Can someone please dig out the times?  It would be interesting to see what those cars do there with a good driver..


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    2015 911 GT3, 1964 Type 1


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    DaveGordon:

    L'Anneau du Rhin, eh?  Can someone please dig out the times?  It would be interesting to see what those cars do there with a good driver..

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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    0:57,5 min - Lamborghini Huracán Performante
    0:58,1 min - Corvette Z06 Z07-Package (manual)
    0:58,4 min - Mercedes-AMG GT-R
    0:58,6 min - McLaren 720S
    0:59,1 min - Porsche 911 GT3 PDK
    0:59,6 min - Ferrari 488 GTB
    0:59,8 min - Audi R8 V10 plus
    1:00,3 min - Honda NSX
    1:00,5 min - Porsche Boxster Spyder
    1:00,6 min - Porsche 911 Carrera S PDK
    1:00,6 min - Lamborghini Huracán LP580-2
    1:01,4 min - Jaguar F-Type SVR
    1:01,5 min - BMW M6 Competition
    1:01,9 min - BMW M4 Coupé
    1:02,0 min - Porsche Panamera GTS (Mk1)
    1:02,3 min - Porsche Panamera 4S (Mk2)
    1:02,4 min - Jaguar F-Type R AWD
    1:02,9 min - Mercedes-AMG C63 Coupé
    1:03,1 min - Audi TTS S-tronic (8S)
    1:03,2 min - BMW M2 DKG
    1:03,3 min - Honda Civic Type R
    1:03,5 min - Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
    1:03,7 min - BMW X6 M
    1:03,9 min - Audi S5 Coupé
    1:04,2 min - Ford Focus RS
    1:06,4 min - Toyota GT86 TRD
    1:07,0 min - Opel Corsa OPC
    1:07,2 min - Peugeot 208 GTi
    1:07,7 min - Mazda MX-5
    1:07,7 min - Range Rover SVR


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Ah, damn - they used the short track - don't have much to compare those times to... Thanks anyway!


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    2015 911 GT3, 1964 Type 1


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Porker:
    watt:
    Porker:
    DJM48:

    Congrats Frank.

    It looks brilliant!

    Thanks! It appears to be a funny color, totally different inside compared to daylight. 

    Looking forward to outdoors pix in sun and grey weatherSmiley

    First one of those, although heavily processed.

    https://instagram.com/p/Bd74tulFJBZ/

    Your car looks great!


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    ‘12 TTS   ‘18 GT3 “Winged”                      There's no accounting for taste....


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Boyko23:

    0:57,5 min - Lamborghini Huracán Performante (*** TROFEO R ***)
    0:58,1 min - Corvette Z06 Z07-Package (manual) (*** Semi-Slick Cup2 ***)
    0:58,4 min - Mercedes-AMG GT-R (*** Semi-Slick Cup2, available on special order only ***)
    0:58,6 min - McLaren 720S (*** regular street tires: PZero ***)
    0:59,1 min - Porsche 911 GT3 PDK (*** Cup2 ***)
    0:59,6 min - Ferrari 488 GTB (*** Cup2 ***)
    0:59,8 min - Audi R8 V10 plus
    1:00,3 min - Honda NSX
    1:00,5 min - Porsche Boxster Spyder
    1:00,6 min - Porsche 911 Carrera S PDK
    1:00,6 min - Lamborghini Huracán LP580-2
    1:01,4 min - Jaguar F-Type SVR
    1:01,5 min - BMW M6 Competition
    1:01,9 min - BMW M4 Coupé
    1:02,0 min - Porsche Panamera GTS (Mk1)
    1:02,3 min - Porsche Panamera 4S (Mk2)
    1:02,4 min - Jaguar F-Type R AWD
    1:02,9 min - Mercedes-AMG C63 Coupé
    1:03,1 min - Audi TTS S-tronic (8S)
    1:03,2 min - BMW M2 DKG
    1:03,3 min - Honda Civic Type R
    1:03,5 min - Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio
    1:03,7 min - BMW X6 M
    1:03,9 min - Audi S5 Coupé
    1:04,2 min - Ford Focus RS
    1:06,4 min - Toyota GT86 TRD
    1:07,0 min - Opel Corsa OPC
    1:07,2 min - Peugeot 208 GTi
    1:07,7 min - Mazda MX-5
    1:07,7 min - Range Rover SVR

    The list needs an update... The cars were tested on very different tires (see my additions above)

    If you include the tire information the 720s is the outperformed by far Smiley Would be interesting to have the corresponding lap times of a 720s with the Corsa and Trofeo as well, just to compare.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    The new PZero used on the 720S shouldn't be too shabby but you are right of course, it is difficult to compare times if one car (720S) is on street tires.

    Still, on such a short track, it is surprising how close the times are.

    Also, we always tend to forget that drivers always have a certain preference. Why I love my R8 (I am used to AWD cars and always prefer them to RWD cars), some pro drivers prefer (or are used) to RWD cars and this shows of course in the test results and the comments they make about that particular car. The nervousness of the R8 chassis at the limit can be avoided if you "pre-empt" this behavior and count the AWD and the traction advantages in. Also, the front tires really need more tire pressure than the rear ones but many test driving car journalists use equal tire pressures (front/rear) because they think the car has less understeer. If you do it right, you don't even get understeer but driving an AWD car is not the same as driving a RWD car and they know it. With the proper tires and a slightly stiffer chassis setup, the R8 would blow the competition away but on the other hand, it is probably the most comfortable daily driver sportscar I ever encountered and this includes even the 991.2 Turbo S. There always needs to be a compromise.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Why there isn’t an R8 in your avatar puzzles me, with all your praise for it indecision


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    White 991.2 GT3, production week 10


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    R8 is under the radar, like ghost technology smiley so he has to keep it out of profile picture Smiley


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    991 GT3 2014(sold)

    CAYENNE GTS 2014


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    RC:

    The new PZero used on the 720S shouldn't be too shabby but you are right of course, it is difficult to compare times if one car (720S) is on street tires.

    Still, on such a short track, it is surprising how close the times are.

    Also, we always tend to forget that drivers always have a certain preference. Why I love my R8 (I am used to AWD cars and always prefer them to RWD cars), some pro drivers prefer (or are used) to RWD cars and this shows of course in the test results and the comments they make about that particular car. The nervousness of the R8 chassis at the limit can be avoided if you "pre-empt" this behavior and count the AWD and the traction advantages in. Also, the front tires really need more tire pressure than the rear ones but many test driving car journalists use equal tire pressures (front/rear) because they think the car has less understeer. If you do it right, you don't even get understeer but driving an AWD car is not the same as driving a RWD car and they know it. With the proper tires and a slightly stiffer chassis setup, the R8 would blow the competition away but on the other hand, it is probably the most comfortable daily driver sportscar I ever encountered and this includes even the 991.2 Turbo S. There always needs to be a compromise.

    i do not - repeat not - believe that it blows the huracan performantre away. no reason why it should.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    pmarkow:
    RC:

    The new PZero used on the 720S shouldn't be too shabby but you are right of course, it is difficult to compare times if one car (720S) is on street tires.

    Still, on such a short track, it is surprising how close the times are.

    Also, we always tend to forget that drivers always have a certain preference. Why I love my R8 (I am used to AWD cars and always prefer them to RWD cars), some pro drivers prefer (or are used) to RWD cars and this shows of course in the test results and the comments they make about that particular car. The nervousness of the R8 chassis at the limit can be avoided if you "pre-empt" this behavior and count the AWD and the traction advantages in. Also, the front tires really need more tire pressure than the rear ones but many test driving car journalists use equal tire pressures (front/rear) because they think the car has less understeer. If you do it right, you don't even get understeer but driving an AWD car is not the same as driving a RWD car and they know it. With the proper tires and a slightly stiffer chassis setup, the R8 would blow the competition away but on the other hand, it is probably the most comfortable daily driver sportscar I ever encountered and this includes even the 991.2 Turbo S. There always needs to be a compromise.

    i do not - repeat not - believe that it blows the huracan performantre away. no reason why it should.

    The Performante has 80(!) hp less than the 720S, so I think there is no doubt how good this car is.

    It is probably a matter of preference but I think that the article made it pretty clear that for the track, the Performante is just fantastic to drive. The 720S has other qualities, even if it is fast as hell on the track as well.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    RC:
    pmarkow:
    RC:

    The new PZero used on the 720S shouldn't be too shabby but you are right of course, it is difficult to compare times if one car (720S) is on street tires.

    Still, on such a short track, it is surprising how close the times are.

    Also, we always tend to forget that drivers always have a certain preference. Why I love my R8 (I am used to AWD cars and always prefer them to RWD cars), some pro drivers prefer (or are used) to RWD cars and this shows of course in the test results and the comments they make about that particular car. The nervousness of the R8 chassis at the limit can be avoided if you "pre-empt" this behavior and count the AWD and the traction advantages in. Also, the front tires really need more tire pressure than the rear ones but many test driving car journalists use equal tire pressures (front/rear) because they think the car has less understeer. If you do it right, you don't even get understeer but driving an AWD car is not the same as driving a RWD car and they know it. With the proper tires and a slightly stiffer chassis setup, the R8 would blow the competition away but on the other hand, it is probably the most comfortable daily driver sportscar I ever encountered and this includes even the 991.2 Turbo S. There always needs to be a compromise.

    i do not - repeat not - believe that it blows the huracan performantre away. no reason why it should.

    The Performante has 80(!) hp less than the 720S, so I think there is no doubt how good this car is.

    It is probably a matter of preference but I think that the article made it pretty clear that for the track, the Performante is just fantastic to drive. The 720S has other qualities, even if it is fast as hell on the track as well.

    Between 200 and 300kph the 720s gains around 6-7s on the Performante (based on the ABSC test results of the latter) Smiley That is a lot indeed...


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Porker is missing-in-action since his GT3 pickup...  we need driving impressions! smiley


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    DaveGordon:

    Porker is missing-in-action since his GT3 pickup...  we need driving impressions! smiley

    Faster than a 991.1 GT3, slower than a 991.2 GTS Smiley


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    2013 Audi S3 | Glacier White


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    He took it swimming is the latest I heard...


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    bluelines:
    DaveGordon:

    Porker is missing-in-action since his GT3 pickup...  we need driving impressions! smiley

    Faster than a 991.1 GT3, slower than a 991.2 GTS Smiley

    Aha.. he’s back.. how are things on Planet Bluelines? 


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    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Basically any McLaren is a beast in the 200 to 300 kph speed range. I always wonder how they do that (I have my suspicions but I want to be fair...so I won't do speculations). It would be interesting to measure the CO2/NOx output in this speed range at full throttle though. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Porsche Cayenne S Diesel (2017), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mini JCW (2015)


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    RC:

    Basically any McLaren is a beast in the 200 to 300 kph speed range. I always wonder how they do that (I have my suspicions but I want to be fair...so I won't do speculations). It would be interesting to measure the CO2/NOx output in this speed range at full throttle though. Smiley

    Since that's your favourite range, you better get a McLaren then ! You can't go wrong, exceptional cars in terms of speed, technology and value for money


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    1516025555693sport_auto_-_handling-test_20181.jpg

    Absolutely beautiful. My dream car. Wish they would build more here..blush..


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    "I Have Done It!".

    991 GT3 pick up in October 2014.

    Rennteam Hairy Chest Advisor.


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Cool little video of a new GT3 Touring...

    1516555779136image.jpeg

    Link: http://www.instagram.com/p/Bd9bB_gj-6t/

     

    Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL: New 991.2 GT3 (2017)

    Voodoo Blue...


     
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