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    Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots Thread Closed

    DavidSF:

    The 993 is superior in one respect: looks. The 993 is the best looking 911 ever.

     

    +1 Smiley


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    FFaust:
    DavidSF:

    The 993 is superior in one respect: looks. The 993 is the best looking 911 ever.

     

    +1 Smiley

     

    life is short Smiley


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 
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    1984 BMW 323i 5spd 2.3L 141 hp (105 kW) More door. Black on black (parting out) 
    1986 BMW 325e 5spd 2.7L 121 hp (172 lb·ft) Le Mans Blau on Tan leather.
    1986 BMW 325is 5spd 2.5L 168 hp (164 lb-ft) White on Tan leather (parted out) 
    2005 Ford Focus S, 5spd 2.0L 136 hp (120lb-ft) CD silver on grey (sold)
    1986 Porsche 944, 5spd 2.5L 150 hp (168lb-ft) champagne gold on grown leather. (sold)


    Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots Thread Closed

    997 is certainly the better car when it comes to driving. nevertheless the 993 is special in many ways. especially the turbo.


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    Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots Thread Closed

    997 the much better car, but it will depreciate

    993 a very good looking car, more for cruising , but you will be able to sell it at the same price as you bought it.

    So... what is the most important to you ? money or performance ?


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    Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots Thread Closed

    Guys, I keep clicking on this thread hoping to see more 991 news and all I get are comments on 993 and 997 models...how about moving this discussion to a new thread? 


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    I have to agree with David on the 993 being aesthetically the one to have. In my opinion the 993 exhibits a certain quality in design and build that will make it one of the 911s that stands the test of time.

    I have never driven a 997 myself so I really can't speak to its merits. I'm sure that is more of a complete package if that is what one is looking for. I still don't think that the 997 has that bulletproof feeling that the 993 has, excluding the windshield creaks. The 993 was built before the penny pinchers came to town and your ears will even feel the vacuum when you close the door in a 993.

     

    OMG!  Smiley

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    Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots Thread Closed

    neunelf:

    Guys, I keep clicking on this thread hoping to see more 991 news and all I get are comments on 993 and 997 models...how about moving this discussion to a new thread? 


    Sorry!  Smiley


    Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots Thread Closed

    Make sure you check the inside of the 993 before you pulle the trigger. It looks very old and dated, unlike the exterior...


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    I like the old-fashioned interior. Less is more for me!    Smiley


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    917962:

    I like the old-fashioned interior. Less is more for me!    Smiley

    I would argue the same, sorry about the off-topic dicussion mate.

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    new food for thought i hope


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 
    _____________________________________________________________________
    1984 BMW 323i 5spd 2.3L 141 hp (105 kW) More door. Black on black (parting out) 
    1986 BMW 325e 5spd 2.7L 121 hp (172 lb·ft) Le Mans Blau on Tan leather.
    1986 BMW 325is 5spd 2.5L 168 hp (164 lb-ft) White on Tan leather (parted out) 
    2005 Ford Focus S, 5spd 2.0L 136 hp (120lb-ft) CD silver on grey (sold)
    1986 Porsche 944, 5spd 2.5L 150 hp (168lb-ft) champagne gold on grown leather. (sold)


    Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots Thread Closed

    Sorry all,didn't mean the hijack; I guess that, with all the enthusiasm around, it can get out of hand quite easily.

    LAST comment, to put this to rest: Leaning towards the 997, in spite of potential $$ loss. I just love to drive these things too much to let one sit in the garage all week and I wouldn't feel as comfortable putting that many miles / km on a 993. Thanks for all the comments  

     

    I guess it's been quiet on the 991/998 front. Good move Atz


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    Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots Thread Closed

    Good to see new pix. Now I wonder how this will compare to a 993 


    Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots Thread Closed

    neunelf:

    Good to see new pix. Now I wonder how this will compare to a 993 


    Now if you really want to know... nah, never mind Smiley


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    Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots Thread Closed

    FFaust:

    Sorry all,didn't mean the hijack; I guess that, with all the enthusiasm around, it can get out of hand quite easily.

    LAST comment, to put this to rest: Leaning towards the 997, in spite of potential $$ loss. I just love to drive these things too much to let one sit in the garage all week and I wouldn't feel as comfortable putting that many miles / km on a 993. Thanks for all the comments  

     

    I guess it's been quiet on the 991/998 front. Good move Atz


    Good to see that you evaluated your choices properly and picked the more suitable solution for your use. Black on Tan is beautiful and you will love the 997 Smiley

    But the 4.0L flat-six in the 991 will leave you wanting more SmileySmiley
     


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 
    _____________________________________________________________________
    1984 BMW 323i 5spd 2.3L 141 hp (105 kW) More door. Black on black (parting out) 
    1986 BMW 325e 5spd 2.7L 121 hp (172 lb·ft) Le Mans Blau on Tan leather.
    1986 BMW 325is 5spd 2.5L 168 hp (164 lb-ft) White on Tan leather (parted out) 
    2005 Ford Focus S, 5spd 2.0L 136 hp (120lb-ft) CD silver on grey (sold)
    1986 Porsche 944, 5spd 2.5L 150 hp (168lb-ft) champagne gold on grown leather. (sold)


    Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots Thread Closed

    Thanks for posting the new pics.  Will someone explain again what differences you see between the current 997 series and the new series?  I have read about the longer wheelbase, and the possibility of  a 4.0L engine, but what else am I missing here?

    I have also heard that Piech reviewed the new changes and told the designers they had not been bold enough.  Thoughts on all of this? 


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    Wonderbar:

    Thanks for posting the new pics.  Will someone explain again what differences you see between the current 997 series and the new series?  I have read about the longer wheelbase, and the possibility of  a 4.0L engine, but what else am I missing here?

    I have also heard that Piech reviewed the new changes and told the designers they had not been bold enough.  Thoughts on all of this? 

    It sounds perfectly resonable to me that under the VW control, the boses will make some more bold changes. It is in their interest to preserve the 911 legend, and using technological innnovations they could "bring it back" In terms of outperforming the Ferraris and the cheaper american attempts (ZR1) . IMO i'd like to see the 911 brand return to sport such that the turbo will outperform the F458. In return the 928/Panamera Coupe can fill the luxory slot for P customers. In addition, i hear the Cayman product will get a bump up meaning they will finally put sportier engines in the VERY potent chassis of the Boxster/Caymen.

    Really hoping for a 4.0L as it is already been running in the 997, but i think the automotive history is right on the verge of a big shift. No longer will we see the increased engine sizes we have pretty much since the 1920s (before i guess they had some crazy 16 cylinder 2.0L engines) The new M5 is a big step showing the return to V8 from V10. I think this is quite a new concept and will dramatically alter the next decade of cars. Mercedes will follow along too soon. the 63AMG replaced the 55 however, we'll see smaller engines soon i believe under the same name. 65AMG is "only" a 6.0L . MB used to have a 73AMG Smiley

    In all, changes.... i think slightly longer wheelbase (they are growing, so are we haha) but smaller overhangs along with a wider track. Along with visual updates will make the standard 911 look and feel in GT3 territory. I am hoping for a bigger rear wing ala 993TT but we'll likely see a very stupid flimsy Panamera style retractable thingy...

    Engines are up in the air, with the emissions reduction objectives maybe for the first time we won't see increase across the range. maybe there will be more options. 3.6L Carrera, 3.8L Carrera S and 4.0L Carrera CS. I suspect many new technological features and new suspension symmetry as well as high-tech transmissions and AWDs for the 4s and TTs.

    Still hoping for CGT elements but it will be a tough blend and well the CGT is maturing Smiley
     


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 
    _____________________________________________________________________
    1984 BMW 323i 5spd 2.3L 141 hp (105 kW) More door. Black on black (parting out) 
    1986 BMW 325e 5spd 2.7L 121 hp (172 lb·ft) Le Mans Blau on Tan leather.
    1986 BMW 325is 5spd 2.5L 168 hp (164 lb-ft) White on Tan leather (parted out) 
    2005 Ford Focus S, 5spd 2.0L 136 hp (120lb-ft) CD silver on grey (sold)
    1986 Porsche 944, 5spd 2.5L 150 hp (168lb-ft) champagne gold on grown leather. (sold)


    Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots Thread Closed

    Atzporsche:
    IMO i'd like to see the 911 brand return to sport such that the turbo will outperform the F458. 

    We haven't seen a Turbo PDK (or more a future TurboS) comparison with the 458, yet. So why do you doubt the current range Smiley


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    Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots Thread Closed

    It must be time for some new Porsche 991 spy shots...

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    Smiley


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    It's time for some more miles on the Porsche 991 test mule...

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    Smiley

     


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    It would be good to see some more spy pics of the Porsche 991 coupe in testing...

    2012-Porsche-991-generation-911-spy-img_1.jpg

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    2012-Porsche-991-generation-911-spy-img_6.jpg

    Smiley SmileySmiley


    Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots Thread Closed

    Wow, thanks for all of these pics!  It is probably the camera angle or distortion, but the car looks noticeably longer and lower (more sleek).  I likey.....Smiley


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    Dear Porsche, please can you send us some new pics of the Porsche 991 in testing...

    2011-Porsche-911-1.jpg

    2011-Porsche-911-2.jpg

    2011-Porsche-911-3.jpg

    2011-Porsche-911-4.jpg

    2011-Porsche-911-5.jpg

    2011-Porsche-911-6.jpg

    2011-Porsche-911-7.jpg

    2011-Porsche-911-8.jpg

    2011-Porsche-911-9.jpg

    2011-Porsche-911-10.jpg

    2011-Porsche-911-11.jpg

    2011-Porsche-911-12.jpg

    2011-Porsche-911-13.jpg

    2011-Porsche-911-14.jpg

    ...there must be some New Year pics out there!

    Smiley SmileySmiley Smiley



    Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots Thread Closed

    So does anybody know what that contraption is that is taped to the right rear wing / fender in the second set of pictures? 

     


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    Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots Thread Closed

    1. Reverse light a la CGT, meaning the LED main light clusters might become very tiny and compact/high-tech.

    2. Parking sensors integration into the bumpers...
     

    that's my guess..


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 
    _____________________________________________________________________
    1984 BMW 323i 5spd 2.3L 141 hp (105 kW) More door. Black on black (parting out) 
    1986 BMW 325e 5spd 2.7L 121 hp (172 lb·ft) Le Mans Blau on Tan leather.
    1986 BMW 325is 5spd 2.5L 168 hp (164 lb-ft) White on Tan leather (parted out) 
    2005 Ford Focus S, 5spd 2.0L 136 hp (120lb-ft) CD silver on grey (sold)
    1986 Porsche 944, 5spd 2.5L 150 hp (168lb-ft) champagne gold on grown leather. (sold)


    Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots Thread Closed

    Colleagues, 993 or 996 or 997, look at this 10 year old GT3 MK1!

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    Truly timeless Smiley


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    A "Zanzibar Red" beauty...


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    Rene,
    I still dream about the first folded taco wing that I saw in reality!
    The 996 mk1 GT3 is a piece of art.

    -Joost-


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    Re: 998 Turbo - Spy shots Thread Closed

    DuckieRS:

    A "Zanzibar Red" beauty...

     Zanzibar red? Smiley

    It will always be rotorangeperlcolor metallic to me. Smiley


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