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    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    Poor guy, one small mistake can ruin your day:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wylr5evoD7I&ebc=ANyPxKp12NsYDEOFsAVEENSzg2NoYDJqz9sw27BItI2e4pGQ4vwL8jM7RZxv8-aw-voSd9WGBwl9pq...


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    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    drives with open window ???


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    BjoernB:

    drives with open window ???

     

    The side curtain airbag blew out the window upon impact.


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    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    That's about track driving. Can happen any moment to everybody. And the Ring doesn't forgive - if you fly you will cry! 


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    You'd think the first thing one would do when getting out of the car unharmed like they did  but leaving the car in the middle fo the track like that is to at least quickly go a few hundred meters back and warn other vehicles to slow down with your hands...


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    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    Carlos from Spain:

    You'd think the first thing one would do when getting out of the car unharmed like they did  but leaving the car in the middle fo the track like that is to at least quickly go a few hundred meters back and warn other vehicles to slow down with your hands...


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    ⇒ Carlos - Porsche 991 Carrera GTS

     

    They are probably under shock... Smiley

    The impact was quite hard, I am surprised they got out that fast. Seems that the front part absorbed a lot of that first initial impact force, quite impressive. With an engine in the front, I doubt this accident would have ended that harmless. Smiley

    I watched the video over and over again and I don't really understand what happened. I suspect three things here (and probably a combo of all three): Low asphalt temperature and semi-slicks, driving in Performance mode DRY (on the Nordschleife, I would only use Dynamic mode as an amateur driver) and driver error (mostly after he started sliding). Of course it is easy to find the culprit from the comfort of my office chair. Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    My take: low grip in that spot, touching the curb/grass + too soon on the throttle = kissing the armco.


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    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    spudgun:

    My take: low grip in that spot, touching the curb/grass + too soon on the throttle = kissing the armco.

    Too soon on the throttle would only have been a problem if he was in Performance mode (R8 has AWD and a very neutral ESP setup in Dynamic mode) because in Performance mode, the AWD has a RWD setup, same goes to ESP.

    I played with the various settings quite a lot and while Performance mode DRY feels safe, it allows a lot of oversteer, maybe a bit too much for my taste (the car feels like a RWD car, not AWD). I once turned ESP off completely and I barely was able to save the car in a tight corner, the typical mid engined car effect showed up and not in a pleasant way. Smiley Never again. My 991 Turbo S was much more forgiving with ESP turned off.

    On the Nordschleife, as an amateur it is never a good idea to drive with ESP turned off or with the sportiest ESP setup. Too many cars, over 20 kilometers, there is always the possibility of a spill (oil, brake fluid, coolant fluid, etc.) or dirt (leaves, dust, etc.) or whatever.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

     


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40O27Kf1bgQ

     
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    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    The Spyder is more heavy with less power compared with the R8 Coupe.


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    Kind regards, Conny 



    Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016) BMW 740xDrive (2016)

     

     


     


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    Ouch. Pretty lame to have your wagon beat your exotic spyder.

    I'm not sure why they haven't released the V10 Plus in Spyder form. Maybe they're seeing the R8 effect Huracan sales and want to move Huracan Spyders for a while first?


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    noone1:

    Ouch. Pretty lame to have your wagon beat your exotic spyder.

    I'm not sure why they haven't released the V10 Plus in Spyder form. Maybe they're seeing the R8 effect Huracan sales and want to move Huracan Spyders for a while first?

    As far as I heard, they have no intention to release a Spyder V10 Plus. Marketing, whatever.

    The Spyder has 70(!) hp less than the V10 Plus Coupe and weights around 140(!) kg more.

    However, from 0-200 kph, the Spyder is still 2 seconds faster than the RS6 Performance. So something was definitely wrong in this video, even if the RS6 Performance is pretty fast. 

    It is interesting to know that the V10 and V10 Plus engines are the same, there is no hardware difference. Zero. Zilch. Only difference is software. However, the gearbox has a different gearing ratio, making it impossible to use the V10 Plus software for the non-Plus model. Some tuners have managed to adapt the mapping to match the V10 gearing ratio but people should keep in mind that the V10 models also have different aerodynamics and a different chassis setup (softer dampers, smaller diameter stabilizers, etc.).


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

     


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    RC:
     

    The Spyder has 70(!) hp less than the V10 Plus Coupe and weights around 140(!) kg more.

     

     

    This is a huge weight difference Smiley


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    Probably one of the reasons why they don't make a V10 Plus Spyder. Nobody would buy it. angry


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    Isn't it Halloween?
    All the bestwink

    363140bcf7f2733bdc4cbaf270780ae59fd127dc2b380b1ff64c8c1e9ef30ab7_1.jpg


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    Kind regards, Conny 



    Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016) BMW 740xDrive (2016)

     


     


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    RC:

    It is interesting to know that the V10 and V10 Plus engines are the same, there is no hardware difference. Zero. Zilch. Only difference is software.

    That is interesting. Thanks for sharing. The third time.


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    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    in the latest issue of Quattroruote, special test called "Club 3 secondi"

    675LT

    488GTB

    991.2 turbo s

    r8 v10 plus

    GT-R Black

     

    laptimes

    675 1.10,11

    488 1.11,519

    turbo s 1.12,942

    r8 1.13,797

    gt-r 1.15,725

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    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    andrea:

    in the latest issue of Quattroruote, special test called "Club 3 secondi"

    675LT

    488GTB

    991.2 turbo s

    r8 v10 plus

    GT-R Black

    latimes

    675 1.10,11

    488 1.11,519

    turbo s 1.12,942

    r8 1.13,797

    gt-r 1.15,725

    image hosting

     

    Please note the other posts above - 675LT and 488GTB where on semi-slicks, i.e. the lap times are distorted between these two and the other cars in the test Smiley


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    bluelines:
    RC:

    It is interesting to know that the V10 and V10 Plus engines are the same, there is no hardware difference. Zero. Zilch. Only difference is software.

    That is interesting. Thanks for sharing. The third time.

    Unlike you (apparently), I noticed that many users don't seem to grasp every detail from threads/posts because they either don't care that much or they just over-read it. I just wanted to point out the obvious, especially since this is really a weird thing (using the same n/a(!) engine with no hardware differences in two variants with a 70(!) hp power output difference). 

    If you think this is not worth mentioning a coupe of times, especially in a specific R8 thread, well... Smiley


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

     


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    Conny997:

    Isn't it Halloween?
    All the bestwink

    363140bcf7f2733bdc4cbaf270780ae59fd127dc2b380b1ff64c8c1e9ef30ab7_1.jpg

    Smiley

    Just yesterday, we had some kids ringing at our door and luckily, we had a couple of Milka chocolate bars lying around, so they didn't leave empty handed (we forgot to buy candy since Halloween isn't really a thing here in our neighborhood). These kids were so happy, apparently some other neighbors gave them some apples and some (open!) pralines. Smiley 


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    IMG_0960.JPGIMG_0961.JPGIMG_0958.JPGHad the R8 Plus for a weekend in LA, very impressed with how easy this car is in a daily use and in traffic but still can provide a visceral experience on Mulholland at 4AM.


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    The 200Kph brake distance between Porsche and R8 is unbelievable , 13mts , it´s the difference between life and death in a possible accident while braking. 


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    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    J.Seven:

    The 200Kph brake distance between Porsche and R8 is unbelievable , 13mts , it´s the difference between life and death in a possible accident while braking. 

    There is only one tiny problem here: According to my knowledge, the cars haven't been tested back to back, the test values are values from single reviews, so not really fully comparable (especially breaking, which is very temperature sensitive).

    However, the 991.2 Turbo S always achieves better braking values from 200 kph to 0 kph but the difference is usually 6-10 meters (depending on tires, the Cup 2 have slightly better values), which is of course also a lot.

    Let's see how the new PZero R02 (current R8 have R01) is going to do, it is basically the same compound Pirelli uses for their new PZero N1 on the 991.2 Turbo S. Not sure however the R8 will ever hit 991.2 Turbo S braking distance times from 200 to 0 kph because the Turbo S has huge braking discs, especially in the front (420 mm vs 380 mm R8).

    Btw: The 991.2 Turbo S brakes even better than the semi-slicked equipped 991 GT3 RS from 200 to 0 kph (by two meters). Smiley

     


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    RC:
    et's see how the new PZero R02 (current R8 have R01) is going to do, it is basically the same compound Pirelli uses for their new PZero N1 on the 991.2 Turbo S. Not sure however the R8 will ever hit 991.2 Turbo S braking distance times from 200 to 0 kph because the Turbo S has huge braking discs, especially in the front (420 mm vs 380 mm R8).

    Btw: The 991.2 Turbo S brakes even better than the semi-slicked equipped 991 GT3 RS from 200 to 0 kph (by two meters). Smiley

     

    Also, part of the excellent stopping distance of the turbo s is the rear engine concept. Weight on the rear axle is very beneficial under heavy braking - compensating all this weight shift to the front in these conditions Smiley


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    J.Seven:

    The 200Kph brake distance between Porsche and R8 is unbelievable , 13mts , it´s the difference between life and death in a possible accident while braking. 

    I don't think it's a big deal because in both cases we're talking about 127m. That's actually a rather large stretch of road in the real world when you think about it. It literally takes more than the length of a soccer field to stop. I don't think it will be the difference between life and death because the last 13m will be at speed much lower than the first 127m, and in both cars, should there be a brick wall of cliff even 100m in front of you, you'll still be smashing into it very hard or flying off that cliff regardless of which of these cars you're in. That braking distance won't be very significant in terms of safety in the real world. Most things you want to avoid will be well before 127m.

    I'd also point out that the distance it self isn't entirely conclusive. You need to see what speed you're actually going at each distance interval. It's not like the R8 is still going 200 kph for the last 13m. It could very well be going quite slow. Maybe the tires just can't bite any more and the car skids an extra 13m at a mere 15mph, but that it matches the 911 in deceleration for the first 120m.

    These tests are no very helpful in understanding safety regards to braking. You need to see deceleration charts to come to any real conclusion about the difference between these cars.


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    It could be a real problem. You need 30-35m to brake if you are going 100km/h. So when you have 13m to you are probably 35-40 km/h fast. You probably need at least a new car.

    Makes me always crazy going fast on the Autobahn. If you are going 2xx most other cars don't have a chance to stop without hitting you In an case of emergency.

     


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    You can't really extrapolate the deceleration rates of 200-0 from 100-0. The tires will have seen vastly more heat from the 200-100 segment, so there's no telling what's going to happen to grip and deceleration.

    You have to see the cars side by side and/or see the deceleration graphs.


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    BTW, on the autobahn, brake performance will not be what determines if you get rear ended when doing an emergency brake from 200 kph with a car behind you. 200 kph = 55 m/s. The reaction time for the car behind you will most likely be, at the low end, 1 second. It takes time not only to react to the lights, but also to move your foot from the accelerator to the the brakes. If it takes them even 1s to react, they'll have already traveled 55 m closer to you.

    So in an exotic, not only will you probably out-brake them by 20-30 meters, but they'll also travel 55 meters before they even start to brake. You'd want to be probably 80-100 meters ahead of the car behind you at all times just to be safe.

    You may of course be able to swerve depending on traffic.

    Fun fact: Most people have better reaction times to sound than they do light. Starting guns will usually give you a better reaction time than watching a light change.


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    noone1:

    BTW, on the autobahn, brake performance will not be what determines if you get rear ended when doing an emergency brake from 200 kph with a car behind you. 200 kph = 55 m/s. The reaction time for the car behind you will most likely be, at the low end, 1 second. It takes time not only to react to the lights, but also to move your foot from the accelerator to the the brakes. If it takes them even 1s to react, they'll have already traveled 55 m closer to you.

    No. I am not able to decrease my speed to from 55m/s to 0 m/s in the first second of my braking.


    Re: Audi R8 V10 Plus (2017 model) - Short Review

    Itsme:
    noone1:

    BTW, on the autobahn, brake performance will not be what determines if you get rear ended when doing an emergency brake from 200 kph with a car behind you. 200 kph = 55 m/s. The reaction time for the car behind you will most likely be, at the low end, 1 second. It takes time not only to react to the lights, but also to move your foot from the accelerator to the the brakes. If it takes them even 1s to react, they'll have already traveled 55 m closer to you.

    No. I am not able to decrease my speed to from 55m/s to 0 m/s in the first second of my braking.

    Sorry, explained that wrong. I meant his overall braking distance will be 55m closer to you overall due to that 1s delay in reaction time.

    If you're in the 911 TTS and RC is in the R8, and you brake at 200 kph, you will travel 127m from the moment you press the brakes. RC on the other hand will travel 195m from the moment you press the brakes, not 140m. He will still come to a stop in 140m from the moment he touches the brakes, but he will not brake the moment you do, thus unless you are 68m ahead of him (13m + 55m), you will get rear-ended.

     


     
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