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    Re: Porsche Mission E...the future of Porsche?

    The new Macan BEV (next BEV Porsche) will have as turbo a range of 580 km and level 4 autonomous driving assistant


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    Re: Porsche Mission E...the future of Porsche?

    And when it will come? 2021?


    Re: Porsche Mission E...the future of Porsche?

    And at what price? Logically it should be cheaper than the Mission E so $70k?


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    SciFrog:

    And at what price? Logically it should be cheaper than the Mission E so $70k?

    Not necessarily as economics will still dictate a higher price for EVs because the battery pack is extremely costly to manufacture.  While in the future, EVs will hold a cost advantage over ICEs, it will only be through economics of scale will the costs fall to replace fossil fueled cars.  This will take time so pricing is more dependent on range parameters than model classification.


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    Good analysis, but I’m betting that battery technology will improve at a very high-level, keeping costs down in the future


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    SciFrog:

    And at what price? Logically it should be cheaper than the Mission E so $70k?

    I think the new Jag I-Pace (not to be mistaken with the F pace)  would interest you....... Starting price in US before any incentives is $69.5k

    https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/06/forget-about-that-tesla-the-jaguar-i-pace-is-the-most-compelling-ev-yet/?amp=1


    Re: Porsche Mission E...the future of Porsche?

    Just a small tidbit. From the videos and photos spied from the car, it appears there´s going to be 2 headlight versions. One more "conventional?" and another that looks very similar to the prototype.

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    Clip_14.jpgAnother Thing that i noticed is that the instrument cluster looks to be more similar to the cross turismo than the mission e 2015 model.


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    Re: Porsche Mission E...the future of Porsche?

    Which is fine by the way. I actually prefer the cross turismo interior.


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    Wonderbar:

    Good analysis, but I’m betting that battery technology will improve at a very high-level, keeping costs down in the future

    One reason I would never ever buy an EV (or even hybrid) because the tech could be obsolete in a year or two and you will find it very very difficult to sell that particular car in the process. Won't be easy for car manufacturers.

    I think the "fast obsolete tech" is a rising issue which hasn't been addressed yet in a fully satisfactory way. This will have a deep impact on future car productions, manufacturers and the used car market.


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    RC you won't have a problem buying an EV since you'll lease it 

    Anyways, 6 years old Teslas are still the same, even 3 years old iPhones are still the same so no need to worry.


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    RC, you are an ecological role model—in a few years there will only be EVs and you will go by bicycle smiley


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    RC:
    Wonderbar:

    Good analysis, but I’m betting that battery technology will improve at a very high-level, keeping costs down in the future

    One reason I would never ever buy an EV (or even hybrid) because the tech could be obsolete in a year or two and you will find it very very difficult to sell that particular car in the process. Won't be easy for car manufacturers.

    I think the "fast obsolete tech" is a rising issue which hasn't been addressed yet in a fully satisfactory way. This will have a deep impact on future car productions, manufacturers and the used car market.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mini JCW (2015)

     

    Technology doesn’t move that fast. Especially German manufacturers will be very slow at rolling new technology to preserve their margins. Tesla will roll it out faster but even them doesn’t have major advances every year. Cars are not like phones anyway, you cannot have the latest greatest always...


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    Tesla won't be alive by then... indecision


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    RC:

    One reason I would never ever buy an EV (or even hybrid) because the tech could be obsolete in a year or two and you will find it very very difficult to sell that particular car in the process. Won't be easy for car .

     Not a problem if dealer can continue to service and maintain the car.  Drivers that paid for their cars do not switch very often.


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    Re: Porsche Mission E...the future of Porsche?

    SciFrog:
    RC:
    Wonderbar:

    Good analysis, but I’m betting that battery technology will improve at a very high-level, keeping costs down in the future

    One reason I would never ever buy an EV (or even hybrid) because the tech could be obsolete in a year or two and you will find it very very difficult to sell that particular car in the process. Won't be easy for car manufacturers.

    I think the "fast obsolete tech" is a rising issue which hasn't been addressed yet in a fully satisfactory way. This will have a deep impact on future car productions, manufacturers and the used car market.


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    RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991.2 Carrera GTS Cabriolet (2018), Audi R8 V10 Plus (2016), Mercedes E63 S AMG Edition 1 (2018), Mini JCW (2015)

     

    Technology doesn’t move that fast. Especially German manufacturers will be very slow at rolling new technology to preserve their margins. Tesla will roll it out faster but even them doesn’t have major advances every year. Cars are not like phones anyway, you cannot have the latest greatest always...

    In the beginning, it will change fast and the problem isn't necessarily how fast the tech itself is changing, it is about components and batteries and I think that there is going to be a serious issue. I hope I'm wrong.


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    Re: Porsche Mission E...the future of Porsche?

    Tesla has had cars out for years without an issue... Of course they battery swap tech is genius but they didn’t even need to use it...


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    SciFrog:

    Tesla has had cars out for years without an issue... Of course they battery swap tech is genius but they didn’t even need to use it...

    Tesla was one company, there was no real competition. Now the EV train started moving, with new products coming from many many companies and new innovations will follow as well. Over the next decade or so, we are going to see some interesting developments but no matter what will be available, it will be obsolete soon. Repairing this stuff will be difficult. Just try to find spare parts for an iPhone 1. Smiley


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    Re: Porsche Mission E...the future of Porsche?

    Finally got the proper pronunciation of the Taycan.

    TAI-khan

     


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    So not like this?

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    Distant relative of Tai Lung (ask a kid)

     

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    Re: Porsche Mission E...the future of Porsche?

    DJM48:

    Distant relative of Tai Lung (ask a kid)

     

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    Any sibship to Shere Khan? Smiley Smiley


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    At Mickey D's!


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    Re: Porsche Mission E...the future of Porsche?

    Some renders.

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    Re: Porsche Mission E...the future of Porsche?

    So this Mission E will do lurid poweslides? Cool...


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    Re: Porsche Mission E...the future of Porsche?

    4trac:

    So this Mission E will do lurid poweslides? Cool...

    No, no, the pic was taken shortly before parking the car in the chicane, after the rear e-motor overheated. Smiley


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    Re: Porsche Mission E...the future of Porsche?

    Some new shots of a Taycan mule. Getting too close to the Panamera design and farther away from the concept version.


    Re: Porsche Mission E...the future of Porsche?

    The concept was a parsec ahead of any Tesla, the production version while tamed down is still light years ahead.

    Tesla needs to up their game big time in order to stay relevant. Fit and finish, styling, handling, technology, pretty much everything.

    Well maybe not the name, Taycan is seriously bad.

     


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    Re: Porsche Mission E...the future of Porsche?

    Love the exhaust tips. Nice touch indecision


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    Re: Porsche Mission E...the future of Porsche?

    Nick, I am sure you are correct, but until now the Taycan is a vaporware with no price, no specs and no release date.


     
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