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    Swirl marks in my new black 997 S

    Thanks in part to this fine website, I'm picking up my new 997 S tomorrow. I've owned 3 white 911's and one black one ('97 C2 cab). The black one had perpetual swirl marks that were frustrating and impossible to prevent even when professionally removed and painstakingly maintained (thus all the white cars). I have since heard that the paint on some 993's were soft, water based and not as resistant as the newer paints.

    Well today I drove the 997 S and absolutely had to have one. Everything I've read and more. I'm trying black again because it had all the other options I wanted (PCCB, adaptive seats, etc) and it looks amazing in black.

    I know this is off topic, but I respect the opinions of the board members. What do you do to prevent the dreaded black swirl marks on the dark colors?
    I've been to various car care websites and am overwhelmed by all the different products and testimonials. I've tried so many things- Zaino, Rejex, Zymol, Klasse, etc. and It didn't really matter on white cars. If I can preserve the nice black finish, I'll go to great efforts and I appreciate any advice.

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    You've seen swirls develop on black Ps that are only hand washed?

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    You need to order Rejex and you won't have that problem anymore.

    Click on "Rejex" to check out their product.

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    Congrats on your 997S Good luck with your paint care, and be sure to post some pics of your new 997....

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    I purchased a black 997S a couple of weeks ago now. Meguiar's for example have a swirl remover product(along with other stuff) that can be used in conjunction with an orbital polisher to get rid of them. Check out Meguiars.com After that follow up with their Tech Wax for a restored shine. You'll drive yourself nuts trying to keep black swirl free

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    I buy two months ago a complete set of Meguiar's products for my B.Black Cayenne and they are great!!

    No more swirl marks,no scratches!

    great!

    ciao
    Dario

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    No swirls here

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    To be honest black is black....it will always looks like it has some sort of marks on/in it. Thats just the nature of the beast. Owned several black cars in the past and as soon as the first wash from new they will start to acquire little marks here and there that simply aren't visible with lighter colors. You can simply let it drive you nuts or take care of it the best you can.....and it will look great if you do.

    My preference is the whole Zaino process....clay it, then apply multiple Z5 till it looks the way you want it to, then 2 coats of Z3.....I guarantee you will love the results. Most of the people I have found that don't like Zaino (not many) didn't follow the directions correctly, or tried to hurry the process and got marginal results. If you follow the instructions to the letter.....you will love it!

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    I know this sounds a bit strange, but when you order the car, ask them NOT to prepare the car. Take the car exactly as it comes in to them. That way the dealer hasn't had a chance to put the swirls on. Have a look on autopia in the forums and you'll see a lot of other people advising the same thing.

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    Papillon said:
    I know this sounds a bit strange, but when you order the car, ask them NOT to prepare the car. Take the car exactly as it comes in to them. That way the dealer hasn't had a chance to put the swirls on. Have a look on autopia in the forums and you'll see a lot of other people advising the same thing.



    I totally agree. The dealer detailing process (some guy with a bucket of dirty water washing your car!) is likely to introduce some swirls/scratches. Better to invest a few hours of your time lovingly detailing your baby.

    The glue residue from the the transportation protection film is easily removed using 3M Multipurpose Adhesive Remover.

    When I get my car serviced at the dealer, I also tell them not to wash the car, for the same reason. I also put a "do not wash car" sign on the dash.

    Regarding RejeX, this is a synthetic polymer (not a wax) so if you have swirls and apply it, the swirls will not go away (unlike natural wax, which will temporarily fill some swirls/scratches). I've been using RejeX for about a year now, but only use it on my windshield, wheels and exhaust tips. It's very good at keeping junk from sticking on those areas. I use One Grand Blitz Wax on the painted surfaces. It's a carnauba wax, application/removal is very easy, and it lasts a long time. Also has a much richer depth of shine than RejeX (or other synthetic products).

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    Meguiar's Swirl Remover/Cleaner # 9 works extremely well.

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    Papillon said:
    I know this sounds a bit strange, but when you order the car, ask them NOT to prepare the car. Take the car exactly as it comes in to them. That way the dealer hasn't had a chance to put the swirls on. Have a look on autopia in the forums and you'll see a lot of other people advising the same thing.



    That's a good idea, that way you can ad the swirls yourself Sounds like a good plan but wouldn't that be a pain removing all that white protectant tape etc.?

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    SrfCity said:
    Quote:
    Papillon said:
    I know this sounds a bit strange, but when you order the car, ask them NOT to prepare the car. Take the car exactly as it comes in to them. That way the dealer hasn't had a chance to put the swirls on. Have a look on autopia in the forums and you'll see a lot of other people advising the same thing.



    That's a good idea, that way you can ad the swirls yourself Sounds like a good plan but wouldn't that be a pain removing all that white protectant tape etc.?



    Gotta say this thread makes P sound very high-maintenance. Have had numerous black cars from F and MB, always hand washed at car wash, w/no apparent swirls.....is P black paint that much more dainty than other cos.' paints in context of hand car washes?

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    Never wash/dry/wax your car with the Mr. Myagi circular motion technique ("wax on, wax off)- swirl mark city! Should instead be back and forth motion parallel to air flow.

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    Does that Rejex stuff really work?

    I personally have 3m Finishing & Polishing Compound.
    My friend that works for Northrop Grumman gave me some.

    Its used to clean the lenses of big telescopes -
    Hubble Telescope status - no joke.

    It works great at getting out swirls and light scratches.
    Its not like other waxes that just covers up.

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    Never EVER let the dealer (or anyone else) wash the car. Read Larry Reynold's comments at www.carcareonline.com, along with the info above on some posts, and you should be fine. Eliminate the polyester (use only 100% cotton) and you'll be swirl free.

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    SrfCity said:

    That's a good idea, that way you can ad the swirls yourself Sounds like a good plan but wouldn't that be a pain removing all that white protectant tape etc.?


    Even if they remove the protectant cover, there is a line that it leaves behind. How do you remove the line without causing swirl marks?

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    vtrader said:
    Quote:
    SrfCity said:

    That's a good idea, that way you can ad the swirls yourself Sounds like a good plan but wouldn't that be a pain removing all that white protectant tape etc.?


    Even if they remove the protectant cover, there is a line that it leaves behind. How do you remove the line without causing swirl marks?



    3M Multipurpose Adhesive Remover--see my post above.

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    Washing the car with a mit in only one direction. Then use Meguiars cleaner, polish, and wax (3 products) each quarter. Wax once a month (no cleaner or polish needed). All my cars have been black except my 1st Boxster (arctic silver) and my current Boxster S (lapis blue--just as much work as black). My 997 S is a Dec build. Ahem, arctic silver 'cause black is too much work! Good luck comrade. The method I told you will work. It worked for my OCD butt.

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    Picture proof.

     
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