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    Lamborghini Urus to Launch with 650hp V8 Twin-Turbo

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    Basically a next gen Cayenne Turbo with more power... indecision angry

    Not sure Lamborghini really needs this car but it remains to be seen.


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    koko:

    Lamborghini Urus to Launch with 650hp V8 Twin-Turbo

    http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/GTspirit/~3/UGP3vCBiEM8/

     

     

    Will this be the new engine for second Huracan generation boosted to 700HP?


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    RC:

    Basically a next gen Cayenne Turbo with more power... indecision angry

    Not sure Lamborghini really needs this car but it remains to be seen.

    First year production will be sold even before first unit is deliver Smiley that´s the success I believe it will have.


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    J.Seven:
    koko:

    Lamborghini Urus to Launch with 650hp V8 Twin-Turbo

    http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/GTspirit/~3/UGP3vCBiEM8/

     

     

    Will this be the new engine for second Huracan generation boosted to 700HP?

    As far as I know...no but who knows exactly what is going on at VW Group?! Smiley Smiley


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    J.Seven:
    RC:

    Basically a next gen Cayenne Turbo with more power... indecision angry

    Not sure Lamborghini really needs this car but it remains to be seen.

    First year production will be sold even before first unit is deliver Smiley that´s the success I believe it will have.

    Either it will have a huge success or it is going to be a big flop. There won't be something in the middle with this car.

    I still struggle to see the benefits of this car: The next gen Cayenne Turbo and Turbo S are coming, the Audi RSQ7 is coming, there is also the Bentayga for those who want something more exclusive... Not going to be easy but I assume Lamborghini did their home work and the car will find customers. Hopefully. 

    Price tag is rumored to be slightly over 200k for the Biturbo V8...not exactly a bargain.


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    Funny fact - it goes towards the Coupe style of the X6. If I remember right the X6 was one of the cars which lost a lot of value and mostly driven by a certain client group. Now all the manufacturers are stepping into this game and it seems that the acceptance of Coupe SUVs went up


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    Lars997:

    Funny fact - it goes towards the Coupe style of the X6. If I remember right the X6 was one of the cars which lost a lot of value and mostly driven by a certain client group. Now all the manufacturers are stepping into this game and it seems that the acceptance of Coupe SUVs went up

    Weird, isn't it? I see so many BMW X4 lately in Bavaria, unbelievable. It seems as if people were jealous that they couldn't afford the X6 and now that there are cheaper variants (X4, etc.) available, everything is fine now. Smiley Smiley

    If I had to choose a SUV now, I would choose the new GLC 63 S AMG though but not the Coupe version. So stealth, so fast, such an amazing sound for a SUV. Perfect. Smiley I just hope the price tag will be amazing as well but not in a negative sense. Smiley My Mercedes dealer said that they wanted to offer a lower entry price but demand is so high, they probably go with a higher one. Smiley Probably the reason why they haven't announced the price tag yet (I think?).


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    I would pay $180k for the Urus but I will not pay $150k for a Cayenne anymore (the fully loaded Macan under $100k is too close and too good to pass vs the Cayenne). I think the URUS will be very successful in the first couple of years albeit a strong depreciation curves. I will definitely check the Urus and see how it can replace the now 3 year old Macan, I think the RRS Autobiography and the Urus make a perfect pair for bad weather DD in congested urban and suburban areas. Sad for Porsche but it would be the first time I would not have one in the garage for 15 years.

    If somehow I cannot stomach the initial price drop of the Urus, there should be enough on the market around $120k after 2 or 3 years. Why the Urus? First for exclusivity and ownership experience. Second for design and bespoke interiors that can truely be exotic in great flashing colors (unlike Porsches). Third for performance and sound.


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    SciFrog:

    I would pay $180k for the Urus but I will not pay $150k for a Cayenne anymore (the fully loaded Macan under $100k is too close and too good to pass vs the Cayenne). I think the URUS will be very successful in the first couple of years albeit a strong depreciation curves. I will definitely check the Urus and see how it can replace the now 3 year old Macan, I think the RRS Autobiography and the Urus make a perfect pair for bad weather DD in congested urban and suburban areas. Sad for Porsche but it would be the first time I would not have one in the garage for 15 years.

    If somehow I cannot stomach the initial price drop of the Urus, there should be enough on the market around $120k after 2 or 3 years. Why the Urus? First for exclusivity and ownership experience. Second for design and bespoke interiors that can truely be exotic in great flashing colors (unlike Porsches). Third for performance and sound.

    Interesting points but I don't see how the Urus and the RRS would make sense one next to each other. Smiley


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    SciFrog:

    I would pay $180k for the Urus but I will not pay $150k for a Cayenne anymore (the fully loaded Macan under $100k is too close and too good to pass vs the Cayenne). I think the URUS will be very successful in the first couple of years albeit a strong depreciation curves. I will definitely check the Urus and see how it can replace the now 3 year old Macan, I think the RRS Autobiography and the Urus make a perfect pair for bad weather DD in congested urban and suburban areas. Sad for Porsche but it would be the first time I would not have one in the garage for 15 years.

    If somehow I cannot stomach the initial price drop of the Urus, there should be enough on the market around $120k after 2 or 3 years. Why the Urus? First for exclusivity and ownership experience. Second for design and bespoke interiors that can truely be exotic in great flashing colors (unlike Porsches). Third for performance and sound.

    You´ve said it all. Cayenne is lke a Touareg next to a Urus SmileyI would ditch the flashing colors though Smiley


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    RC:
    SciFrog:

    I would pay $180k for the Urus but I will not pay $150k for a Cayenne anymore (the fully loaded Macan under $100k is too close and too good to pass vs the Cayenne). I think the URUS will be very successful in the first couple of years albeit a strong depreciation curves. I will definitely check the Urus and see how it can replace the now 3 year old Macan, I think the RRS Autobiography and the Urus make a perfect pair for bad weather DD in congested urban and suburban areas. Sad for Porsche but it would be the first time I would not have one in the garage for 15 years.

    If somehow I cannot stomach the initial price drop of the Urus, there should be enough on the market around $120k after 2 or 3 years. Why the Urus? First for exclusivity and ownership experience. Second for design and bespoke interiors that can truely be exotic in great flashing colors (unlike Porsches). Third for performance and sound.

    Interesting points but I don't see how the Urus and the RRS would make sense one next to each other. Smiley

    One is a small sporty fun crossover, the other is a full fledge SUV with third row useable in the worst weather. Perfect sense. Plus In the Northeast you totally can use two SUV in a family for the winter...


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    SciFrog:

    If somehow I cannot stomach the initial price drop of the Urus, there should be enough on the market around $120k after 2 or 3 years. Why the Urus? First for exclusivity and ownership experience. Second for design and bespoke interiors that can truely be exotic in great flashing colors (unlike Porsches). Third for performance and sound.

    If only slightly more expensive the CTT, then yes, I agree with you.

    However, I do not think I want to pay Lambo maintenance money for an SUV, and not sure I want to keep it when warranty runs out.


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    I have spent so much money on tires and brakes on my various Cayennes that basic maintenance even on a Lambo is not that relevant. My Porsche dealer is also very expensive for service, probably one of the most expensive in the country, which mitigates the difference.


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    I don't think it will be very successful outside of Asia and the middle east. I can't think of anyone on the forums who has bought a Bentley SUV. If you asked me how the Bentagya is doing, I'd probably assume pretty poorly.


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    The Urus will be around 280k CAD, not much more than my fully fully loaded Cayenne Turbo S at 240k.

    As for maintenance cost, the modern ones are quite reasonable.

    I just had the 1 year service on the Huracan, cost me 1800 CAD tax in, which is just about the same as the 1st year service on the 918, and just about par with the 1st year service on my 12C before. 

    If the next Cayenne Turbo S will be the hybrid version, I am definitely getting that one over the Urus. The hybrid electric torque is instant, nothing compares, I am honestly spoiled by it from the 918.

    To squeeze close to 700HP from the 4.0L TT V8 means major turbo boost and that means big lag.

     


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    I must admit I am v interested in a urus. Something about it that presses my button. Would make a great commuter car into manhattan indecision


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    noone1:

    I don't think it will be very successful outside of Asia and the middle east. I can't think of anyone on the forums who has bought a Bentley SUV. If you asked me how the Bentagya is doing, I'd probably assume pretty poorly.

    In Germany, the Bentayga is sold out for year as far as I heard and apparently it sells very well.


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    In London the Bentayga is the "school pick-up" car to have right now, and it is everywhere. I think I read that the avg customer puts about GBP50k of options on it as well. I have not driven it but the sound of it was frankly underwhelming at low revs, maybe it is different when it ramps up a bit. Certainly is blowing the RR it of the water for street cred. 


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    Have to think the Urus will be a knock out success. Also, massive appeal in the ME to those that want something special but ideally also want to deal with the speed bumps!!!!


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    The Bentayga is surpassing sales expectations by some considerable margins. It was hoped/anticipated by Bentley that it would sell 3600 examples in 2016. The actual figure sold was around 5600 which equates to half of the total year's production of all models. The Cayenne proved for Porsche that the SUV segment is far more resilient than sports cars are to changes in demand and that lesson is not lost on it's fellow VW group companies. The Urus is likely to be a runaway success for Lamborghini.


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    I"m seeing a fair number of Bentaygas in Toronto. Sometimes it's hard to tell from a quick glance though, it might just have been a Q7...angry


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    Mithras:

    I"m seeing a fair number of Bentaygas in Toronto. Sometimes it's hard to tell from a quick glance though, it might just have been a Q7...angry

    The Bentayga and the Q7 don't look alike at all (not even a hint...), so... Smiley Smiley

    Saw only one single Bentayga in Germany...in Munich, at my Lamborghini dealership.

    Saw another one in Miami a few weeks ago.


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    Barely used 2017 Bentaygas are at least $80K+ under MSRP already. They drop. Can't imagine they're sold out or hard to get in this case.


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    noone1:

    Barely used 2017 Bentaygas are at least $80K+ under MSRP already. They drop. Can't imagine they're sold out or hard to get in this case.

    Not in Germany. Even the Diesel version costs over 185k...used. Smiley


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    Bentayga base MSRP starts at $230K in the US, in Europe it's 210K. So asking 185K in Europe is 25K before any options at all. Probably looking at 40-50K depreciation on a 0 mile car when it comes to actual selling price. Spec it high, and it will be worse.

     


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    Bentayga Diesel is 174k EUR in Germany. You won't find any car in good shape (under 10k km, no accident) below 185k EUR. I do not see any depreciation of 40-50k, this is absurd.


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    RC:
    noone1:

    Barely used 2017 Bentaygas are at least $80K+ under MSRP already. They drop. Can't imagine they're sold out or hard to get in this case.

    Not in Germany. Even the Diesel version costs over 185k...used. Smiley

    On Mobile.de, it shows deliver mile diesels asking 185K Euro. The base MSRP for the diesel is 210K Euro. So $25K under MSRP new, before options.


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    Hmm, guess the price I saw was wrong. Well, the reason it doesn't depreciate as much in Europe I guess is because it's massively cheaper.


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    Base price for the Diesel is 174k EUR, check your facts. 
     

    Cheaper? The Audi SQ7 which is basically the same car with the same engine costs fully loaded around 50k less than a base Bentayga Diesel. Smiley


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